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Pazuzu
United States632 Posts
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GoonFFS
Denmark323 Posts
2. Ægis | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On June 22 2014 22:48 Kraznaya wrote: also cou de grass not cou de gra Cup of Grass. | ||
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RookerS
Ivory Coast75 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10668 Posts
 What I really find puzzling... Was Jakiro called THD for long? I played lots of Dota 1 and we allways called him Jakiro... | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Languageevolves as people use it if we all pronounce it bad we make it right no? : | ||
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aboxcar
United States447 Posts
On June 25 2014 02:57 LemOn wrote: Does anyone actually care? Languageevolves as people use it if we all pronounce it bad we make it right no? : New words like "googling" are created, phrases like "YOLO" are spawned, but mispronouncing words and misusing terms just makes a community look collectively ignorant. Imagine Kaci interviewing people at TI4 and people with American accents going "imPETus" because that's how they heard some Aussie streamer say it (and do the Australians even say it that way?) If you want to say mari-NAHD instead of marinade or am-BIEN-s instead of ambience because that's how it is in French, that's one thing and it is your prerogative to be pretentious. But simply mispronouncing words betrays your ignorance. | ||
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
Who the @#$ says that | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
except i still will say ae - jis | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
Just because English speakers decided to butcher this one, doesn't mean that's how you're supposed to pronounce it. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
It's Viss-ige (rhymes with un, midge) Also Ay-Jiss all the way. | ||
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babishh
Canada965 Posts
visage: /vj'zɑːʒ/ (the french way) coup de grâce: /kudə ˈgrɑs/ (the french way) abaddon: /'æbəddɒn/ (the german way) this is how I pronounce them, with phonems referring to British accent to make it easy for everyone. edit: there's also to consider the fact that most casters are english speakers, which makes them turn these words to an english pronounce. me too, italian mother tongue, pronounce words based on the language i'm speaking. for instance, if i'm speaking english i pronounce item /ˈaɪtəm/, if i'm speaking italian i pronounce it /ɪtɛm/. I know it sounds stupid, but no way i'm going to call items 'oggetti' :D | ||
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aboxcar
United States447 Posts
abaddon: /'æbəddɒn/ (the german way) abaddon isn't even german | ||
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
aegis ist greek, so maybe you should pronounce it correctly. EE-jis is definately not right. just because you THINK you spell it right, doesn't mean you are right. and this thread title totally sounds like MURICA, fuck yeah. spoken words get affected by dialects even inside ONE country and can sound totally different. why do you think that you can define how words like aegis are spoken out in GLOBAL esports, where we have multiple languages and some can't even pronounce certain letters. also many casters aren't even native english speakers. also: is it EE-dra or EYE-dra and who the fuck even cares? | ||
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aboxcar
United States447 Posts
On June 26 2014 17:04 fleeze wrote: aegis ist greek, so maybe you should pronounce it correctly. EE-jis is definately not right. just because you THINK you spell it right, doesn't mean you are right. and this thread title totally sounds like MURICA, fuck yeah. spoken words get affected by dialects even inside ONE country and can sound totally different. why do you think that you can define how words like aegis are spoken out in GLOBAL esports, where we have multiple languages and some can't even pronounce certain letters. also many casters aren't even native english speakers. also: is it EE-dra or EYE-dra and who the fuck even cares? Isn't there a difference between words with foreign origin (basically all words), loan words, and straight-up foreign words? 1. Consider debonair, with origin around 1200 from Old French, de bon aire. Would you still call this a French word? No, debonair is an English word. 2. Consider, ambience, loan word from the French ambiance. This is appropriated as an English word, but directly borrowed from modern French. Google auto-correct is even telling me I should spell it ambiance with an "a." How should you pronounce this word? I feel if you are speaking English you should pronounce it as English speakers do, but if you pronounce it as the French do perhaps you are not incorrect. What about words that fall in between 1) and 2), like kowtow? Are you going to try and speak Chinese? 3. Then there are straight-up foreign words used in English, and stylistically these are printed in italics. To make matters confusing, sometimes these foreign words can be found in English dictionaries: raison d'être, c'est la vie. These are French words, and even when you are speaking English, it is correct to try and pronounce them in French. Then there are words that fall between 2) and 3). What about the Yiddish "oy vey," is this English now or still Yiddish? What, then, is aegis? It is an English word with Greek origin via Latin from around 1700. I don't think I get to define how it is said. But I also think that if people are going to mispronounce it, they should at least know how it is normally pronounced. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
Mostly because even though it exists in English as it was introduced long ago, it's actually being used in modern French (as you use "face" in English), while it's not really used in modern English. I went a step further and tried to figure out how frequent it's being used in French and how frequent in English. I didn't get far with that, but I did stumble across a cute fact. There's this British band from the '80s that called themselves Visage, and their debut album was called Visage and the first song on that album was Visage. Interested in how they pronounced it? youtube.com/watch?v=_HjnwIoxk8k - go to ~1 minute in. Anyway, the point was that some words have deeper roots in some languages than they do in others. And you can't say it's wrong if someone chooses to pronounce it that way, especially if that someone is not a native English speaker. I was super amused when GeneralStan posted that thing right after I explained that the original way to pronounce it was the one he hates. edit: removed youtube preview. | ||
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aboxcar
United States447 Posts
and I understand that people are not native English speakers I guess we disagree fundamentally though: 1) I think native English speakers or not, both groups should strive to pronounce things correctly (when speaking English). Why can't you say someone is wrong if they are not native English speakers? 2) ignorance is an excuse, contrary to what the lawyers say, but it is not a defense. if you don't know a thing, we forgive you. if you know it and still don't care, then I don't know what to say. | ||
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On June 27 2014 10:26 aboxcar wrote: visage is used in English, origins 1250-1300 according to the dictionary. that it has different, additional meanings in English than it did originally in French only supports it being an English word. In any case, since "visage" in dota refers to a proper name and not the meaning, there are arguments that can be made for alternative pronunciations... and I understand that people are not native English speakers I guess we disagree fundamentally though: 1) I think native English speakers or not, both groups should strive to pronounce things correctly (when speaking English). Why can't you say someone is wrong if they are not native English speakers? 2) ignorance is an excuse, contrary to what the lawyers say, but it is not a defense. if you don't know a thing, we forgive you. if you know it and still don't care, then I don't know what to say. you ignore dialects which is just stupid. there are different ways to pronounce things depending on region. hell, there is different pronounciation even in the same english language (UK vs US english, Australia). and you really think there is only ONE right way to pronounce things? like, really? language also isn't set in stone like laws, it's fluent and evolving all the time and not static like you think it is. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
If you're saying "well ok but Visage is a name" then you have to think where the name comes from. Visage is a gargoyle (I guess there's no arguing that, it's even in the hero's lore), and gargoyles have their origin in a french legend, and are a common sight in medieval french architecture, like the ones on Notre Dame. So, being a french monster, one could easily argue that the name is also french. | ||
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