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DarthBotto
Profile Joined January 2011
United States72 Posts
March 18 2014 07:19 GMT
#41
It's all good- it's great that everything's come clean.
sandg
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia123 Posts
March 18 2014 07:25 GMT
#42
please dont be disheartened ever. you have a huge amount of people cheering for you and your team regardless of results.
The mind is capable of anything, because everything is in it.
TheBamf
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark366 Posts
March 18 2014 07:28 GMT
#43
Just win some more gaems and no one will be making any more drama out of this and you won't have to live up to your name with these blog posts.

#GoGoTeamLiquid
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Profile Joined November 2011
Jamaica921 Posts
March 18 2014 07:34 GMT
#44
Fluff my man, you are a dota 2 player, no room for dramas. STick to your gut, you have put your money where your mouth is - so make good of it and revamp TL dota 2. I hope to see that spark you guys had when you beat LGD at TI3. Bring that fire son
Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly - Bob Marley
Flowsick
Profile Joined June 2011
Estonia234 Posts
March 18 2014 07:47 GMT
#45
Keep on trucking, Fluff! Liquid fighting!
speakerbox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada453 Posts
March 18 2014 07:53 GMT
#46
On March 18 2014 11:30 Dubzex wrote:
#BringKorokBack


I think this would actually work strongly in Liquids favor
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Krishan.bif
Profile Joined December 2013
Philippines491 Posts
March 18 2014 08:14 GMT
#47
On March 18 2014 15:14 Breaker 1st Class wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 11:53 Dommk wrote:
This constant need to explain yourself comes off as so darn needy. Take a page from Envy and let your actions do the talking instead of your blog posts.


1) Fluff and Envy are two different people.

2) It's not like Fluff is only just talk. He's backing it up with the appropriate 'walk' as well, as detailed by steps and actions he's outlined in the post. We don't know if he will fail or succeed, but you can't deny he is also actively trying. So really, he has already taken the metaphorical page from Envy. We have to give things time to play out.

3) Like you've said yourself; there IS a need for him to explain himself. You can interpret Fluff's post as simply needy, or you can also understand that there is no doubt many of us who want clarification on certain matters affecting the team as a whole. This spotlight, for better or worse, shines on the entire team as much as it does on Fluff himself. To imply Fluff's post serves only himself would indicate tunnel vision about the whole situation.

Although on the surface this is an apology from Fluff, it is also a PR statement for his team and liquid as an organisation as well. Fluff's post is part explanation about himself and part the collective voice of his team clarifying their intent, future and direction together.

Actions are powerful, but that's not to discount the importance of 'talk'/explanations/clarifications. The two are not mutually exclusive. It is better that they go hand in hand as it minimises the scope of speculation and conjecture and really serves as a rallying force and voice for those who do support liquid.

In any case, I'm glad it's all sorted out. Fight on, Fluff! Fight on, Liquid!

This. This 1000%. All their losses and failures in the last couple of months have really demoralized and almost alienated their supporters it seemed (i.e., me). This might have been a mess at the beginning, and it might have hurt some people in the process although not deliberately, but nazgul's response and fluff manning up to it has at least shed light to the teams struggles, and it is very comforting to know that they are taking MASSIVE steps to curbing the problems. Good luck everyone, and yes, see you guys in TI4.
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
March 18 2014 08:15 GMT
#48
I think if you were female, the apt description of your personality would be "bunny boiler"

Regardless, good luck!
Omni = Capped (RIP TL Account) - LoL EUW: Capped92 - EU Bnet: Capped#1137 - Steam: Capped92
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
March 18 2014 10:30 GMT
#49
On March 18 2014 11:41 Saryph wrote:
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On March 18 2014 11:27 TanGeng wrote:
I guess one question that gnaws at me is "who's the team manager and where has he been?"

or is there no one really assigned to manage team dynamics and maintain morale?

I guess it's good that there is healing.


I think it is/used to be bumblebee. I used to see him post/tweet about dota stuff all the time, but not so much anymore. But a lot of being a manager is in the background, so who knows.

I still manage Liquid, but I've strayed from posting a whole lot :-)
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 13:34:54
March 18 2014 12:05 GMT
#50
I still find supporting Liquid hard after your last blogpost. I don't think you'll change, and I just see this blogpost as new false promises.

Best of luck. I hope you prove me wrong. And I think maybe you should consider not writing blogs wherein you describe what you intend to do - you're just making unrealistic goals for us and for yourself.
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Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
March 18 2014 12:14 GMT
#51
It would be unrealistic to expect the team to stop losing at least some important games. We will see what happens when the next tricky situation pops up. Good luck!
This is our town, scrub
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
March 18 2014 12:44 GMT
#52
Don't stress about it man, you feel like you're in a slump and you're taking things hard. Keep fighting!
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
March 18 2014 13:06 GMT
#53
On March 18 2014 21:05 Testuser wrote:
I still find supporting Liquid hard after your last blogpost. I don't think you'll change, and I just see this blogpost as new false promises.

Best of luck. I hope you prove me wrong[...]


I've got to second this. You broke our trust, win it back.
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
March 18 2014 13:10 GMT
#54
well the last blog showed your true personality so i dont take this blog that serious. but let me tell you one thing. from now on thank god everyday, thank for nazgul & co not kicking you out of this team because you would have deserved it. thank god every second you are not out of TL because TL is probably the last chance you will get to become somebody in Dota.
because imagine you were kicked? what would you do? who wants some not that skilled guy (compared to the big skillers in NA,EU and especially china) who is all about being the savior of his team leading them to glory with visions and epic leadership to stand there and smile in his shiny armor.

for me most of this blog is just damage control like people always do when they are closed to being kicked.and of course your typical 1000 promises and ideas that will revolutionize EVERYTHING. how about just the damage control apology and instead of the rest you just show actions? you know like real actions, making your team own and not your old habits. not things like "will do this, and that,sacrifces here there and bridges! communication,best version of team EVA.".

like i said thank god everyday and get your shit together.
best of luck for your team
"Your Razor sucks!" -Kuroky's Dad
GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
March 18 2014 13:43 GMT
#55
Another Forced apology :-/ Ohwell
All Dota 2 casters are bad at their job
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
March 18 2014 13:58 GMT
#56
Thanks, Fluff. Captain, oh my captain. You are great, and I am glad your mates were too, and responded in the correct manner, being mature and open. This bodes very well for TL.

LiangHao
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
March 18 2014 14:14 GMT
#57
Ok first off, I have not really read anything aside from what Nazgul said. You are waaay too wordy for my tastes XD

But, maybe, in the end, it will turn out to have been a good decision to post what you did before. What if the team as a whole would have been unable to get the motivation/boost required to achieve a TI4 victory from purely internal "decent" & "by the book" communications? Sometimes a child (a new team) needs a good kick in the arse to get going properly.

The way you guys are dealing with your previous outburst makes me think that this is exactly what needed to be done. Like some people say: sometimes you need to act now and ask for permission later.

There are more ways and potentionally better ways to phrase this, I will refrain from trying to find them all. I am sure people have said this before.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
kvothe0153
Profile Joined March 2014
3 Posts
March 18 2014 14:27 GMT
#58
Well done You've certainly grown up in the past few days, hopefully this will soon reflect in TL's gameplay. Cheers and GoodLuck!
kvothe0153
Profile Joined March 2014
3 Posts
March 18 2014 14:28 GMT
#59
On March 18 2014 23:14 a_flayer wrote:
Ok first off, I have not really read anything aside from what Nazgul said. You are waaay too wordy for my tastes XD

But, maybe, in the end, it will turn out to have been a good decision to post what you did before. What if the team as a whole would have been unable to get the motivation/boost required to achieve a TI4 victory from purely internal "decent" & "by the book" communications? Sometimes a child (a new team) needs a good kick in the arse to get going properly.

The way you guys are dealing with your previous outburst makes me think that this is exactly what needed to be done. Like some people say: sometimes you need to act now and ask for permission later.

There are more ways and potentionally better ways to phrase this, I will refrain from trying to find them all. I am sure people have said this before.

How i agree with you man
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
March 18 2014 14:41 GMT
#60
good luck Liquidu
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