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SHOUTcraft America Winter post-mortem - Page 2

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Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
December 18 2013 21:27 GMT
#21
TB delivers Always a pleasure to watch your events and then see your own thoughts of it.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
Dyme
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany523 Posts
December 18 2013 21:29 GMT
#22
On December 19 2013 05:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:It may require further cash injections from myself to do so, it may even have to switch to a crowd-funded or at least crowd-supported model to some degree.

It's kinda funny how eSports viewers would rather donate money than buy something from a sponsor.
McRatyn
Profile Joined January 2013
Poland901 Posts
December 18 2013 21:30 GMT
#23
TotalBiscuit = the Sonic of StarCraft 2 :D Great job, I'm just sad that players seemed to come to this tournament with lackluster mindset. And let's face it, it's not like most of them are too busy playing in so many high end tournaments to give this a little more effort.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
December 18 2013 21:36 GMT
#24
UK has surprisingly strong number. I would have expected Canada and Germany but UK.... damn people could use more LAN in the lands of the queen :D
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Acronysis
Profile Joined November 2011
872 Posts
December 18 2013 21:37 GMT
#25
Really interesting read. This level of transparency is refreshing, and being someone in the field of business, it's just of general interest to me. I hope to see Ting continue with these Shoutcrafts. It would be fun for us, and hopefully it will become more succesful for them!

Thanks TB and Ting.
The multiplying villanies of man do swarm upon him.
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 21:42:15
December 18 2013 21:41 GMT
#26
I really loved watching both shoutcrafts and, I must say, this write-up was as interesting as the tournaments themselves. Fantastic job on and off the match screen.
SEKO SEKO SEKO
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
December 18 2013 21:43 GMT
#27
On December 19 2013 06:29 Dyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 05:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:It may require further cash injections from myself to do so, it may even have to switch to a crowd-funded or at least crowd-supported model to some degree.

It's kinda funny how eSports viewers would rather donate money than buy something from a sponsor.

Not really surprising. If I donate 10 €, I donate 10 €. I can do that every time I want and have 10 €. I can't reasonably and mostly don't want to buy a new mobile contract, a new router, a keyboard or whatever only because some company sponsors an event.
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
December 18 2013 21:43 GMT
#28
Wooo, UK tuning in to watch mediocre play from Demuslim into a forfeit!
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iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
December 18 2013 21:46 GMT
#29
Twitch should implement a feature that allows you to display custom Starcraft overlays to different geographic regions. It would then be possible to sell advertising space to different companies for the same tournament and attract more sponsorship.
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deepfield1
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States373 Posts
December 18 2013 21:54 GMT
#30
So basically we need a ShoutCraft : Europe!

Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
December 18 2013 21:57 GMT
#31
I don't think that switching to a crowd-funded method of funding is a bad thing. Weren't the old shoutcraft events funded by tshirt sales, or something like that? I'd drop 15-20 bucks for a shoutcraft shirt, easily.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
December 18 2013 21:57 GMT
#32
Excellent post-mortem, and my god the transparency all around on this is fantastic. Many kudos to TB and also to Ting (and ActionJesse, whom I am assuming is associated with Ting) for putting on the event and then giving us not just a "It was a great event!" PR spin, but solid numbers and an honest, rational breakdown of the event, problems, and proposed solutions to the problems. I hope Ting decides to continue with eSports, and I know TB will take his own issues into account in all future events he does.

Just putting out the numbers and marketing evaluation as Ting did makes them someone I will seriously consider. (They're totally right, though, about changing service not being a snap decision. Especially in the US.)

Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Boomjack
Profile Joined December 2013
Canada2 Posts
December 18 2013 22:08 GMT
#33
Thanks TB. This is good stuff and just what eSports needs. We (eSportsMax and TenTonHammer) would be honored to help you financially with the next tournament. You (and other eSports event organizers) are welcome to contact me at john at eSportsMax.com .

ShoutCraft, HomeStory Cup, etc. are the types of events that will grow the industry from the grassroots.

My door is always open to anyone putting on that type of event.

Lover of family, eSports, video games and Warhammer 40K in that order.
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
December 18 2013 22:15 GMT
#34
Thanks so much for the honesty and transparency. it's very rare in esports to get this sort data/info/write up and it's very refreshing.

keep on keeping on!
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 18 2013 22:15 GMT
#35
TB saving esports once again. It's great to see. Keep it up man, I'm sure the next shoutcraft will be even better than the last.
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Delirious_OST
Profile Joined December 2013
Germany3 Posts
December 18 2013 22:29 GMT
#36
Thank you for the transparecy. It is great to get all of these informations. I think the SHOUTcraft America Winter event was great to watch and I'm excited for SHOUTcraft to reappear next year in some way.

It is awsome to see people like TB putting so much effort and in some way or another faith in eSport and especially in SC. I hope to see the community growing over the next few years.

It is sad though, that the ROI for Ting was not as expected. Never the less I think those kind of events can be a good opportunity for companies.

All in all it was a great job from TB and Genna. Keep it up!
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
December 18 2013 22:31 GMT
#37
Very interesting read indeed and very valuable feedback from Ting. I'm sure the knowledge both parts have gained from this will be very useful in the next tournaments. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
December 18 2013 22:41 GMT
#38
Great report. TB, you're awesome!

I don't agree with your conclusion: "As a pure business venture, SHOUTcraft America Winter can be considered a failure. It did not provide the requisite ROI for the company providing the sponsorship. "

The long-term effect of this kind of sponsoring by far exceeds any short term ROI. Just counting how many people signed up that weekend for Ting service doesn't make sense, the event has strengthened the brand Ting for the 50k+ people that watched the tournament and will undoubtedly generate future revenue for them.

As a real example of the long-term effect of this kind of marketing, last month I purchased an Acer laptop for my daughter. For the past 10 years I've been using Dell laptops, I would probably not have considered Acer if it weren't for their involvement in Starcraft.
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Striker.superfreunde
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany1120 Posts
December 18 2013 22:59 GMT
#39
On December 19 2013 06:54 deepfield1 wrote:
So basically we need a ShoutCraft : Europe!



But that doesn't meet the purpose to support the AM scene :o
Maybe ting isn't the 'right' sponsor for an online only event. But as tb mentioned, a long term revenue isn't far-fetched.

Very interesting read! Thank you for sharing!
I can imagine it is not that easy to find a sponsor-organizer connection the benefits both sides, despite the big hardware manufactures.
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Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
December 18 2013 23:08 GMT
#40
Thank you for sharing TB. I always find the business part of event organizing very interesting.
This was the most educational postmortem I've ever been presented in the eSPORTS scene.

A suggestion/ or idea:

As you are broadcasting from series to series you could use that time during the series you are broadcasting to have someone else set-up a skype-call with the previous series winner and do a short interview. You can then show that interview at the end of (or during) the next series.
It would make a great filler and create more story-line and maybe you could get the players to say something positive about the sponsor of the event?

Much love, and keep doing what you are doing.
Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ"
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