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Yesterday I had a class reunion with some school classmates. We haven't seen each other in about 8 years (just before we entered high-school). While most of us already had (stable) jobs,some of them didn't; no surprises here because there will always be some people without jobs.
The problem was that 3 (out of 4) of those who had no jobs were those who followed their passion (dream) and tried to follow careers in music and sports. It was their dream since we were in school, and they followed it.
But none of them actually succeeded. And now they are struggling to find some jobs so they can have some stable income. The problem is that since they dedicated most of their time to their dreams, they don't have many skills that they can show in the CV to an employer.
Why must following your dreams be such a binary thing? You either are really successful and make lots of money or you do not so good leaving you with an uncertain future.
This also got me thinking about all these progamers (SC2, LoL, Dota2 etc). When they end their careers what are their job perspectives?
I am not saying to stop following your dreams, but I think you must have a back-up plan as well.
 
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people who chase dream are those who don't care about getting high paid jobs, living in mansions.
It's the same for those who wanna be a teacher for example, paid is low (well at least for primary school it is generally low) and high stress and low chance to get a nice promotion on the salary.
BUT the fact that they are working in these fields are helping the next generation is a substitute for the "income".
of cause you will always have those who just wanna get rich and popular but those people are just being irrational lol
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By the way how old are you?
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On June 15 2013 00:46 ETisME wrote:
people who chase dream are those who don't care about getting high paid jobs, living in mansions.
It's the same for those who wanna be a teacher for example, paid is low (well at least for primary school it is generally low) and high stress and low chance to get a nice promotion on the salary.
BUT the fact that they are working in these fields are helping the next generation is a substitute for the "income".
of cause you will always have those who just wanna get rich and popular but those people are just being irrational lol
The thing is though, chasing dreams and getting paid well shouldn't be mutually exclusive. Just because someone is doing something they like they are being "punished" for it by having lowered pay and in general crappier quality of life really sucks.
You are also implying that people who work in jobs that get paid well are unhappy/not chasing their dreams. Take me for example, I'm only a first year uni student but I'm on my coop term making really decent money and getting awesome experience as a app dev. I'm not doing this because I want money, but rather it's because I actually enjoy computer science, and my "dream" would be starting up my own company. It would really suck if I grew to like playing a musical instrument and spend all that money to finish a degree only to work as some cashier for the next 30 years of my life.
It's a sad sad world. :/
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On June 15 2013 01:34 WuzzupPeeps wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2013 00:46 ETisME wrote:
people who chase dream are those who don't care about getting high paid jobs, living in mansions.
It's the same for those who wanna be a teacher for example, paid is low (well at least for primary school it is generally low) and high stress and low chance to get a nice promotion on the salary.
BUT the fact that they are working in these fields are helping the next generation is a substitute for the "income".
of cause you will always have those who just wanna get rich and popular but those people are just being irrational lol The thing is though, chasing dreams and getting paid well shouldn't be mutually exclusive. Just because someone is doing something they like they are being "punished" for it by having lowered pay and in general crappier quality of life really sucks. You are also implying that people who work in jobs that get paid well are unhappy/not chasing their dreams. Take me for example, I'm only a first year uni student but I'm on my coop term making really decent money and getting awesome experience as a app dev. I'm not doing this because I want money, but rather it's because I actually enjoy computer science, and my "dream" would be starting up my own company. It would really suck if I grew to like playing a musical instrument and spend all that money to finish a degree only to work as some cashier for the next 30 years of my life. It's a sad sad world. :/
they aren't punished by anything. They achieving their dream is something that isn't so measurable in materialistic stuff.
there is one very good economic paper on it, maybe if I can find it I will put it up.
Or you can read Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
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I find that most of these "live your dreams!" people are those who've never really experienced what its like to live without a stable income. But once you're living off Section 8 and food stamps, you quickly begin to realize that "following your dreams" is a luxury only afforded to the young and the well-off. Besides, the dreams you pursue when you're young aren't often the same things you're interested in when you get older. Just look at all the professional Starcraft players who don't even enjoy the game anymore. But most of them have no good career prospects outside of the esports scene, so they're pretty much stuck with a job in esports. Even after they retire, they bounce around to other games (mostly LoL these days, since its so profitable), as well as things like coaching, casting, tournament organization.
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On June 15 2013 02:16 iamho wrote:
I find that most of these "live your dreams!" people are those who've never really experienced what its like to live without a stable income. But once you're living off Section 8 and food stamps, you quickly begin to realize that "following your dreams" is a luxury only afforded to the young and the well-off. Besides, the dreams you pursue when you're young aren't often the same things you're interested in when you get older. Just look at all the professional Starcraft players who don't even enjoy the game anymore. But most of them have no good career prospects outside of the esports scene, so they're pretty much stuck with a job in esports. Even after they retire, they bounce around to other games (mostly LoL these days, since its so profitable), as well as things like coaching, casting, tournament organization.
Yup. Either that or they go to play poker...I can only imagine that being even more difficult than esports.
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On June 15 2013 01:05 yOngKIN wrote:
By the way how old are you?
I am 24 years old.
Anyway, I didn't imply that having a stable job is bad.I work as a software engineer and I enjoy my job very much.
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On June 15 2013 02:11 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2013 01:34 WuzzupPeeps wrote:On June 15 2013 00:46 ETisME wrote:
people who chase dream are those who don't care about getting high paid jobs, living in mansions.
It's the same for those who wanna be a teacher for example, paid is low (well at least for primary school it is generally low) and high stress and low chance to get a nice promotion on the salary.
BUT the fact that they are working in these fields are helping the next generation is a substitute for the "income".
of cause you will always have those who just wanna get rich and popular but those people are just being irrational lol The thing is though, chasing dreams and getting paid well shouldn't be mutually exclusive. Just because someone is doing something they like they are being "punished" for it by having lowered pay and in general crappier quality of life really sucks. You are also implying that people who work in jobs that get paid well are unhappy/not chasing their dreams. Take me for example, I'm only a first year uni student but I'm on my coop term making really decent money and getting awesome experience as a app dev. I'm not doing this because I want money, but rather it's because I actually enjoy computer science, and my "dream" would be starting up my own company. It would really suck if I grew to like playing a musical instrument and spend all that money to finish a degree only to work as some cashier for the next 30 years of my life. It's a sad sad world. :/ they aren't punished by anything. They achieving their dream is something that isn't so measurable in materialistic stuff. there is one very good economic paper on it, maybe if I can find it I will put it up. Or you can read Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
But if you take two people with different dreams and one person's dream just happens to land them in a better financial or materialistic situation, it is really unfair to the other guy. Take an entrepreneur vs. a programer, if the entrepreneur fails he can at least use his skills to get himself a half decent job while the progamer's skill set in spamming keyboard/mouse buttons will have no actual use in the world so he would have little options if progaming doesn't work out.
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On June 15 2013 05:16 WuzzupPeeps wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2013 02:11 ETisME wrote:On June 15 2013 01:34 WuzzupPeeps wrote:On June 15 2013 00:46 ETisME wrote:
people who chase dream are those who don't care about getting high paid jobs, living in mansions.
It's the same for those who wanna be a teacher for example, paid is low (well at least for primary school it is generally low) and high stress and low chance to get a nice promotion on the salary.
BUT the fact that they are working in these fields are helping the next generation is a substitute for the "income".
of cause you will always have those who just wanna get rich and popular but those people are just being irrational lol The thing is though, chasing dreams and getting paid well shouldn't be mutually exclusive. Just because someone is doing something they like they are being "punished" for it by having lowered pay and in general crappier quality of life really sucks. You are also implying that people who work in jobs that get paid well are unhappy/not chasing their dreams. Take me for example, I'm only a first year uni student but I'm on my coop term making really decent money and getting awesome experience as a app dev. I'm not doing this because I want money, but rather it's because I actually enjoy computer science, and my "dream" would be starting up my own company. It would really suck if I grew to like playing a musical instrument and spend all that money to finish a degree only to work as some cashier for the next 30 years of my life. It's a sad sad world. :/ they aren't punished by anything. They achieving their dream is something that isn't so measurable in materialistic stuff. there is one very good economic paper on it, maybe if I can find it I will put it up. Or you can read Maslow's hierarchy of needs. But if you take two people with different dreams and one person's dream just happens to land them in a better financial or materialistic situation, it is really unfair to the other guy. Take an entrepreneur vs. a programer, if the entrepreneur fails he can at least use his skills to get himself a half decent job while the progamer's skill set in spamming keyboard/mouse buttons will have no actual use in the world so he would have little options if progaming doesn't work out.
You say it's unfair to the other guy for chasing a dream that doesn't provide financial/material security on the way...well I find it extremely unfair for people having to pay that guy under the idea that chasing dreams should be paid well or enough to survive.
Money doesn't come out of anywhere; it's given out to people by other people/institutions. There has to be a reason behind such transfer and the reason "chasing a dream" is hardly a compelling one.
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