• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 20:08
CET 02:08
KST 10:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !8Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
When will we find out if there are more tournament ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump
Tourneys
Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1: Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle screp: Command line app to parse SC rep files [BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1309 users

Change to WCS Quals

Blogs > norjoncal
Post a Reply
norjoncal
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
89 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 22:56:11
June 11 2013 22:52 GMT
#1
These are my ideas in regards to WCS. I think that the NA and EU format should be changed. I would keep the current format of top 8 go on to the next seasons premier league. I would get rid of the challenger league. Instead I would have 3 tournaments prior to the start of each season. Each of these tournaments would give premier league slots. Each tourney would give 7 of these slots to EU and 7 to NA.Regardless of actual tourney placing...........if EU players grabbed the top 16 placing in a tourney only 7 would be qualified. The exception to this would be if a player from a region is already qualified the next person in line would get a qualification.
This would lead to a 29 players being qualified. Where do the other 3 players come in from.....8 players last season,tourneys 28 players. To round out the 32 players add in the top 3 players on ladder . There would be a cutoff date lets say 2 weeks before the season would start. Using ladder you would have to qualify in your regions ladder.....an EU player can not qualify by being GM on NA ladder.




I also think 3 seasons in a year could be pushing it. I would rather have 2. If this is the case the quals would have 4 tourneys a season.
Previous Season 8 players
Tourney 1 5
Tourney 2 5
Tourney 3 5
Tourney 4 5
Ladder 4


*
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 11 2013 23:09 GMT
#2
...why?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 11 2013 23:10 GMT
#3
You don't give any reasons for changing the current layout..
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
June 11 2013 23:44 GMT
#4
When you get rid of the challengers league, does that mean that 24 of the 32 players in Premier are eliminated each season?
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 12 2013 00:16 GMT
#5
I don't feel like this is a good idea.
norjoncal
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
89 Posts
June 12 2013 01:24 GMT
#6
On June 12 2013 08:44 Bagration wrote:
When you get rid of the challengers league, does that mean that 24 of the 32 players in Premier are eliminated each season?


Yes. But after each season these eliminated players can enter any or all of the 3 tourneys to reenter Premier.
The reason why I think this idea is better than the current setup is.

Right now Non-WCS events mean very little. They award very small number of WCS points and prize money.
It will add more story lines.Koreans will still take home most of the prize money but you will get an additional story line of which 14 foreigners will be in next seasons Premier League (7 Americas/7EU per tournament)
It will make tournaments more relevant.
Maybe it is just me but the upcoming Dreamhack and MLG hold very little hype for me.
It will help the industry not hurt it like the current model.
There would be 9 of these tournaments a year. Instead of being cutout of the scene by WCS (Dreamhack and NASL) any tournament/league could bid to host one of these 9 tournaments.
It' lets the the best players rise more quickly to the Premier League
Currently if you placed 9-16 in the premier league you only have to win one set to get back in. If they lose this set they can still go on to groups and get back to the premier league.
The Challenger League is complicated and hard to follow.
Bracket Stage, Group Stage,
I have been watching starcraft since the beta and I still find it hard to follow the code S style format.


Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
June 12 2013 11:51 GMT
#7
The first problem I see here is the NA/EU thing. Let's say that the last Dreamhack was played using your system. In the entire tournament, there were exactly three players in the tournament who were neither Korean nor European. NA players would win these spots because they could afford to attend tournaments in Europe, rather than on their skill alone. The same is true in reverse, with Europeans who can travel to America. Because of this, if I were a European progamer, I'd prefer to participate in the NA region under this system, so I'm more likely to win a spot at a European tournament.

Therefore, the regions are gonna be fucked up even further than they are now. Instead of Korea, Koreans + Europeans, and Koreans + Rest of the World, we have Korea, and then two crapshoot regions based on trying to metagame which region is going to have the least players in it that are attending your local tournaments.

Yes, this happens with certain Koreans (Parting is better than, say, Revival, but Revival made it to WCS and Parting didn't) but there's no reason to make this problem WORSE.

Secondly is the extra, unpredictable number of games that need to be played. Let's say the previous Dreamhack was played under your system, and assume an equal spread of wins from EU, NA, and KR.

The Top 16 all get in. But the Top 24 is where things get messy. We still have five spots up for grabs. At the very least, we're going to need to play six more matches, assuming everything goes well. We need four matches to determine 17th-20th, and then two more matches to determine 21st-22nd. At this point, we have our 21 qualified players. These six matches would likely have to be played at the end of Day 2, and could get very weird. Let's say that the Top 24 is made up of 11 KR, 7 EU, and 6 NA. Suddenly the 25th-32nd players have to compete for one last NA spot. And what if there are three NA guys, and they all get eliminated in the first round? Then you have to play a round robin system. This is going to be hell for bracket organisers, as they'd basically be making up brackets on the fly.

Alternatively, what if two NA players get to the final four, and then both get knocked out? You don't get to play the "finals" match between the two best players of the evening. Instead we get a bronze match and then nothing.

Now, a further issue. KR is not subject to this same rule. Why is this? You may argue that it's unfair for Koreans to be forced to travel overseas for tournaments, but like every other region, they can host their own tournaments in Korea, just like Europe and North America can. The situation is the same for all three regions; players must travel intercontinentally to hit tournaments outside their own region, but can play in tournaments within their own without doing so. People outside those three regions, by the way, are far more fucked than they are now unless they can afford to travel internationally, with no guarantee of making a spot or making money from the tournament at all.

I like the idea of making the Premier League difficult to stay in, but we already have a perfect system for that. It's called Code A.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
21:00
Best Games of Starcraft
SHIN vs ByuN
Reynor vs Classic
TBD vs herO
Maru vs SHIN
TBD vs Classic
PiGStarcraft616
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft616
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 108
Mong 20
NaDa 20
Counter-Strike
summit1g6717
Coldzera 212
Other Games
Grubby5324
JimRising 350
taco 166
ViBE100
Trikslyr65
PPMD35
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick720
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 96
• davetesta64
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22365
League of Legends
• Doublelift4703
Other Games
• imaqtpie1544
• Scarra920
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
8h 52m
WardiTV 2025
9h 52m
Spirit vs Cure
Reynor vs MaxPax
SHIN vs TBD
Solar vs herO
Classic vs TBD
SC Evo League
11h 22m
Ladder Legends
17h 52m
BSL 21
18h 52m
Sziky vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs Cross
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 8h
Ladder Legends
1d 15h
BSL 21
1d 18h
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.