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Daily Ladder-age #30: Hating PvT again

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Sir.Phalanx
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Japan195 Posts
June 07 2013 10:25 GMT
#1
Eloooooooooo guise. Nice to see you again. Wanna come in, have some coffee?
Well you're not getting any.
So as per usual I'm back again with my Daily ladder game battle report ish analysis ish something. It's been about a month! Huzzah! I've been able to actually stick to doing something for a month! What an accomplishment.

So today's daily is a fairly fail daily... IDK people, I'm back into my old state of liking PvZ and disliking PvT. That one period of time I really liked PvT instead of PvZ, but i'm back into the hate.

replay : http://drop.sc/340770

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The match up was a PvT, on the map Derelict Watchtower. Probe Johnson goes in and scouts as per usual, and scouts a lack of barracks. Hmmm, what could it be... I was pretty wary at first of a proxy rax, but soon I saw the scv count and pretty much realized that this was a CC first build. Now, I'm not all too familiar with CC first as of recent, so my reaction to it was definitely not the right one.

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I decide that I want to try to punish this... After all, in the past I remember having won quite a few games by rushing with a stalker against a CC first. However, those memories obviously were from when I was in a lower league. The bunker was up and my pressure was thwarted.

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Damnit stalker why you do dis.

Aaaand at this point I already am quite far behind on most aspects. Because I was originally trying to do some sort of 3gate pressure, I made 3 gateways fast, so that delayed the creation of my natural. Since I made 3 gateways but didn't actually use them, they also turned into a pretty big waste of minerals and time for that early on in the game. I really rue this decision, wish I didn't make it. Again, my reaction against a CC first was really not set.

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Continuing to macro.

So far behind that I basically lose from his first attack. My colossi finishes a couple seconds too late to save my nexus, and although he waits for a while before his killing blow, the game just about ended there.

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So fast loss that I don't even have much to say.


So yeah. EZ loss. I'd like feedback from you readers, what's the best response to a CC first opening form the terran? Just take a super greedy expansion myself? TY in advance for advice, ty for reading, and GLHF!

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Sox03
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
Germany55 Posts
June 07 2013 11:16 GMT
#2
Hi for more information about CC first look in the protoss help me thread.
Usually you cant safely punish it i guess, just pull your probes out of gas and expand b4 any gateway units.
Ive seen pro games where a chronoed zealot punished it but i wouldnt rely on it at all and it was like 2 years ago.
Ive heard that in the early days of hots a proxy stargate was a pretty good counter to cc first. I never playes proxy stargate so i cant say if it will still work or if its just figured out. Most standard is just to expand fast yourself and go macro you shouldnt be far behind then.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
June 07 2013 15:14 GMT
#3
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Drizzt3
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States189 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 20:11:32
June 07 2013 20:10 GMT
#4
If you scout it early enough, you can actually punish a CC first opening by delaying your core and chrono boosting out a zealot before your core and rallying it to his base. I remember watching some really cool games in WoL where Hero did that. Then you can follow up with either another zealot, stalker, and mothership core and a later expand or end the pressure and get an earlier expand. 3 gate pressure isn't very good against CC first though unless you've done plenty of damage with earlier pressure, because his faster economy kicks in fast enough to hold that off easily.
TL;DR the stalker was a good idea, but you have to delay the bunker with a rushed zealot and/or probe harass
"Before my time is done I will look down at your corpse and smile."-Brad Pitt (Achilles)
Dagwon
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada33 Posts
June 07 2013 21:37 GMT
#5
I've been having lots of trouble with CC first openings too. Booooo!

PS That corgi is adorable! <3
Are you satisfied getting by with just enough? Or are you ready to start trying?
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
June 08 2013 10:41 GMT
#6
I like to go blink and take a fast third vs CC first :D

Deflect drops and be ahead !
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
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