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The Rekindling of The American Spirit.

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BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
October 12 2012 18:10 GMT
#1
This pretty heavily involves my own political beliefs, however you are all entitled to that of your own and may post them here as you please, simply try to be as open-minded as possible, and I will try to do the same for you all.

When I was in Taiwan, I would always tell my Taiwanese classmates, "American's are the most wasteful people on the planet. I would know, I'm one of them." I was reading through an intro to biology textbook in an online course at my university and I found this:
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That being brought to light, I always thought to myself, "Hmm... Although I've never been to Europe, I was born and raised in the USA, I've been to Canada, Taiwan, China, Hong Kong and Japan, and it always seemed to me that Taiwan, HK, Japan, and Canada were very clean and 'lean', although Canada was not as ’compact‘ as the rest of these countries."

With that in mind, I couldn't help but notice the random obese people walking the streets here in America. I've seen overweight people on welfare, and I've seen fit people that were extremely rich and humble. I've seen rich people that were fat and stuck-up, I've seen people that were poor and humble. There is no improper or proper combination of any of these words in a single sentence. I've seen people go in to a buffet restaurant, eat three perfectly good plates of food, and then bitch about how awful it tasted, and then demanded a free meal. Scotch free, and I've seen them get it too.

Sometimes, I myself, feel pretty wasteful. After reading through more of my textbook yesterday, I stopped and thought to myself, "Next time I go somewhere to eat, I'm going to eat less or start going to the gym, and I'm only going to use one napkin when I go somewhere to eat." This morning I ate at my uni's cafeteria. I had a burger with American and Swiss Cheese, mushrooms, bacon, grilled onions, and a fried egg on a Ciabatta bun. I had some chick-fil-e nuggets, a glass of Poweraid red punch and a pink donut with a glass of Starbucks Vanilla Latte. And I used five napkins. But I was grateful for every bit of it and I realized that there are people who don't get food like this on a daily, weekly, or even monthly basis in our world. I probably won't eat another meal today, as this was more than ample calory-intake and I won't be getting a lot of exercise today.

Just what am I getting at? I feel we need programs to "rekindle" the American spirit to make us realize just how many resources we are using on a daily, weekly, or monthly basis, just how much food we are consuming that we don't need, and the forth, to help realize just what harm we are doing to our planet's ecosystems and how we can help foreign countries with the excess food that we are eating. 80 Million people... I'm pretty sure that's enough to feed North Korea 2 or 3 times over. If nothing else, I feel we should implement programs to make us realize just how wasteful we are being in contrast to other countries.

I myself, have spent more than a year of my life in China, and four months in Taiwan. The last time I went to Mainland China, I was in a countryside city with almost no foreign industry save for some foreign-branded cigarettes (Marlboro, Kent, etc.), and some foreign candies / snacks (Oreos, Chips-Ahoy, etc.). Almost every morning for breakfast, with my girlfriend and her family we were eating noodles, pork dumplings, stuffed steam-buns, rice porridge, white rice and something called man-tou, which is basically a form of steam-cooked bread. There was no KFC, no Pizza Hut, No Papa Johns, and no McDonalds restaurants. The closest thing they had to any foreign restaurants was a restaurant that was basically a rip-off of KFC called HKC. The burgers they had there contained extremely thin slices of meat, no real beef to speak of, and some Bologna-like meat. This was January 2012. People urinated and defecated in the streets, and wore winter clothing indoors due to a large lack of central heating and air. The clouds in the sky were often black because of the excessive amount of coal used to power the city

In August 2009, I had first come back from China after a period of time that was roughly 361 days. When I came back, I missed all of the food in my hometown that I didn't have in China. Over the course of time from August 2009 to December 2009, I went from 150 pounds to 190. Now, I am 160 pounds, and grateful I realized what was happening to me.

What's the plan?
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We need to give Americans a way to realize that they should be grateful for the ways of life that they have. I'm sick and tired of seeing these people who so delinquently bitch about how bad their lives are, and coquettishly complain about the food that they have that many people in the world don't know they have.


Proposed Courses of action
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I think that the United States government should require all citizens of the U.S.A. to leave the country for a period of time equal to, or greater than six months in order to maintain their U.S. citizenship. Alternatively, citizens could elect to enlist in a branch of the U.S. Military for a period of time no less than two years (whether they actually leave the country or not is completely irrelevant to me, because as long as one is on a military base in a foreign country, they have access to most of the things they could get at home (macdonalds, taco bell, kfc, commissary and PX, etc.).).

Another alternative, which would be interesting to try to mimic, is setting up and establishing "Third world camps" where the environment of the camp is similar to an agrarian/agricultural society with no electronics and the only method for communication with loved ones is written-letters and 30-minute phone calls (to be designated at phone call stations) once each week. Total exceptions to all three of these proposed ideas should include but not be limited to people with handicaps or serious mental illness. Proposed period of time to live in a third world camp? 12 months.


The Benefits?
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* Increasingly globalized world economy (if candidates elect to leave the country for six months).
* Increased global ties (in general).
* Stronger military (or at least larger in numbers).
* Less wasteful consumption.
* More Verstehen ("understanding").


The Drawbacks?
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* Lots of spending (either on the part of taxpayers or the citizens themselves when it comes time to make these choices).
* What if someone does not return or dies as a direct result of their exposure to the military, leaving the country, or third world camp? Who is held liable in that sort of meta-theory?
* Mobilization. How does all of this get started, up, and stay running without extreme economic deficit?


What do you guys think?

TL;DR version- Americans are wasteful, and I think we should do something about it.

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meteorskunk
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada546 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 18:28:56
October 12 2012 18:28 GMT
#2
I'm canadian.. so group me in with the Americans. I know how lucky I am with my eating options and i still fail to make the healthiest choices. I love the comfort of the artificial. Good eating involves food with deep roots into the wild you know? It is all so processed and tht's what we are brought up on .

I think the problem is related to our lack of autonomy in our choices. Our culture allows us to keep distant from the harsh truth of our existence. We do not acknowledge our deaths realistically. Nor our future.. It is all so complicated.

Anyways, I love your solution of sending people off to travel. I think it would do a lot of good. Also more exploration of art and speculative fiction. Thirdly, and I know a lot of people are going to think this is just ridiculous, but I believe the consumption of psychedelic substances like psilocybin can be of use. It is like travelling in that it breaks down the barriers that one's culture surrounds him in.
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
October 12 2012 18:30 GMT
#3
Extremely unrealistic plan. Even ignoring monetary concerns, why would voters elect a politician who would then force hardship upon them?
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meteorskunk
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada546 Posts
October 12 2012 18:36 GMT
#4
On October 13 2012 03:30 monk. wrote:
Extremely unrealistic plan. Even ignoring monetary concerns, why would voters elect a politician who would then force hardship upon them?


In my opinion, which is likely very discreditable due to its extreme ignorance of politics, and global issues, nothing important will ever begin at a political level. It's all crap.

The real changes in human societies will happen at a cultural and individual level that will force a political shift along with them
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18843 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 18:41:39
October 12 2012 18:40 GMT
#5
On October 13 2012 03:30 monk. wrote:
Extremely unrealistic plan. Even ignoring monetary concerns, why would voters elect a politician who would then force hardship upon them?

I can't help but agree here. The economy requires much attention, the nature of political dialogue is communicatively bankrupt, and we can barely form enough consensus to keep government running, and yet you want to conjure up a number of incredibly expensive social projects that are spuriously tied to the issue at hand, that of waste appreciation? We can certainly do more to reel in waste, but forcing citizens to travel abroad or live in some "third-world" camp seems pretty silly. On an aside, did you consider the possibility that there are a great many citizens we want to keep at home? For example, let's take an average class of high school children from Mississippi, complete with latent racism, disbelief in evolution, and just general intolerance, and send them to some foreign country. What exactly do you think will happen? I don't think you've thought this one through.
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meteorskunk
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada546 Posts
October 12 2012 18:51 GMT
#6
On October 13 2012 03:40 farvacola wrote:
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On October 13 2012 03:30 monk. wrote:
Extremely unrealistic plan. Even ignoring monetary concerns, why would voters elect a politician who would then force hardship upon them?

I can't help but agree here. The economy requires much attention, the nature of political dialogue is communicatively bankrupt, and we can barely form enough consensus to keep government running, and yet you want to conjure up a number of incredibly expensive social projects that are spuriously tied to the issue at hand, that of waste appreciation? We can certainly do more to reel in waste, but forcing citizens to travel abroad or live in some "third-world" camp seems pretty silly. On an aside, did you consider the possibility that there are a great many citizens we want to keep at home? For example, let's take an average class of high school children from Mississippi, complete with latent racism, disbelief in evolution, and just general intolerance, and send them to some foreign country. What exactly do you think will happen? I don't think you've thought this one through.


I agree with this actually. It is a better argument if OP recommends increased awareness of these issues with his ideas as good options to explore as solutions.

I won't even say whether or not this kind of thing is realistic. Where do we even start with an issue like this? It all feels too bureacratic and specialized for a lay men to even begin to understand what his opinion is.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 18:53:34
October 12 2012 18:53 GMT
#7
The next closest thing I can think of is the army. Or something like that.
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