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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 23:24:26
September 21 2012 23:23 GMT
#1
Hello dear euro TLers!

As the guy personally in charge of the teamliquid store, I would like to shed some light into the Euro store delay, in doing so I will be completely honest about the reality with it and and how the store itself is going to work.

I will start with the idea behind the Euro store. My goal with it (I'm sure the TL staff shares this vision with me) is to build a platform on two continents, providing equal terms of service for both our US and european customers. That includes consistent store policy regarding returns and exchanges, fast reliable and cheap shipping. In order for the Euro store to be sustainable in the long term, we need to find manufacturers to reproduce all our items in Europe as they are sold in the states - consistency in quality is very important as I believe everyone should be getting the same products. Importing our set of products from the states is not optimal - we can do it only for chosen products, unless we want to deal with shipping and duty taxes every time which ultimately will raise the end price by quite a bit.

The problem with our current shirt offering is that they were not designed to be reproduced in Europe. The 3s shirts (spirit, swarm and steel) were designed in the summer of 2011, back then we just picked the best shirt we could find in the States and now in Europe we realized that no manufacturer works or even knows about the brand that we are using. Recently we managed to find a local distributor which sourced the blank shirts we are using for the Spirit, but at this point we are unable to source the shirt we are using for the swarm, steel and winged pony designs. There are a couple of options we have, like importing the blank shirts from another european country or even from the states, but again that wont be optimal as we want to be as flexible with our production as possible - we don't want to be out of stock constantly. As for the hoodie - its just incredibly expensive - we simply cant keep its price as it is right now. One way or another we will get to sell all our items in Europe, we just need to find a sustainable model which offers the best prices for you.

Speaking of prices I want to be transparent and realistic on the matter - the vast majority of our current products will get a slight price increase in Europe. We will do our best to keep the prices equal from our end, but there's still the 20% VAT on all goods sold in Europe. Does that mean all our products will get a 20% price increase? No, we will compensate part of the price increase, but there's still going to be a difference. Products that are not going to be priced differently are the posters and the mousepads. So for everyone hoping for lower or at least equal prices, I'm sorry but its just not realistic and not achievable for us. Even if we want to keep the integrity of our community this is just not how the european market works. To make a real life comparison, I would really like to get the iPhone at 600$ like the americans do but in Europe we get to pay 600 Euros.

I'm really sorry if some of you guys are waiting for lower prices and holding back your orders for the past 2 months. As I said the benefit of the European store will be the much faster and cheaper shipping as well as the better service provided. It really is the best solution in the long term for both you as a customer and for us as a retailer.

So here's the big question - when the fuck are we going to launch it?! Well, I really can't give an honest answer on that. At this time we have all posters, the mousepads, the keycaps and the Spirit shirt on stock. If we decide to just import a bulk of our other shirts and hoodies we can launch the Euro store as early as October. We can also launch it sooner but w/o all items. It's really a hard decision to take, but I can assure you that the Euro store is been worked on every day, we still consider various options like importing the hoodies vs producing them in Europe, perhaps even changing the shirt model to another one (which I really dont want to do).

I was overeager to announce the Eurostore back when we launched the hoodies - I wasn't completely informed about the complications of this venture and I misled all of you as well as the rest of the TL staff. I can only work hard now to make sure the Euro store is actually worth all the wait. I'm really really sorry if you are upset and disappointed, but please blame it on my incompetence and not on the entire TL staff.

If you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask!

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RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
September 21 2012 23:47 GMT
#2
If you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask!


How do you maintain being so awesome on a day to day basis? Seriously though, this is really quality business practice. If I had this kind of honesty with my customer's, I would be fired. I really appreciate your words.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 23:51:07
September 21 2012 23:50 GMT
#3
This post really wasn't needed in the manner it was executed.

No one needed to fall on the sword for this one.

Shit happens. Just inform, don't apologize. Launching the store without the hoodies would be a very strange business decision though.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
September 22 2012 01:07 GMT
#4
Thanks for letting everyone know ^^

Really appreciate all the work you've been putting in (though part of that might be a lack of impatience on my part because I live in the US, after all). disciple hwaiting!
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
September 22 2012 03:08 GMT
#5
So if the US hoodies are made my American Appareal, why dont you do the same for Europe? I think we have it there too, but I dont know if they produce in Europe and how the costs would turn out to be. You probably alreayd thought about that. I just wondered
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2577 Posts
September 22 2012 07:10 GMT
#6
No need to apologize, man. Based on what you're saying, the delays are completely understandable. As for pricing, I think everyone in the EU is aware that stuff is simply more expensive over here due to VAT and some other factors that are obviously out of your control.

If you already have some stuff on stock, why don't you just launch the store with what's available and then bring other products online as you get the logistics solved?
The frumious Bandersnatch
deus.machinarum
Profile Joined September 2011
Austria658 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-22 07:40:38
September 22 2012 07:39 GMT
#7
On September 22 2012 16:10 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
If you already have some stuff on stock, why don't you just launch the store with what's available and then bring other products online as you get the logistics solved?


I second that. Just start with what you have, I imagine people(including me ) would be happy with anything for a start, then slowly move on to offering more and more stuff as you figure out the details on different kinds of merchandise. Might also help
you to iron out certain kinks in the store once it gets going.

Anyway, all the best, looking forward to the euro store in any way shape or form.
Nothing worth having comes easy.
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
September 22 2012 08:39 GMT
#8
On September 22 2012 16:10 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
If you already have some stuff on stock, why don't you just launch the store with what's available and then bring other products online as you get the logistics solved?


^ This.

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Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-22 17:27:55
September 22 2012 09:02 GMT
#9
From where are you planning to ship the goods?
(as in mainland "EU" / UK? or some strange small islands (i.e. Jersey))

Just realized (friend mentioned it^^) that it was mentioned in the original EU announcement My bad - so just ignore this question!
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
September 22 2012 09:34 GMT
#10
A pity about the delays but understandable.

Quick question, will the EU store only accept Euros or will it accept other European currencies such as GBP, CHF, NOK, etc.?
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
September 22 2012 09:43 GMT
#11
On September 22 2012 17:39 Derrida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 16:10 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
If you already have some stuff on stock, why don't you just launch the store with what's available and then bring other products online as you get the logistics solved?


^ This.


I believe Team Liquid would rather have a complete store as a complete product rather than a few ragtag individual pieces.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Amestir
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2126 Posts
September 22 2012 10:12 GMT
#12
Euro store is getting the Blizzard approach, release it when it's ready.

Most people on TL would probably agree with this approach
We know nothing.
marcesr
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany1383 Posts
September 22 2012 10:48 GMT
#13
You cant ask for a better explanation than this I guess. Hoping for the best!
_MagnuM_
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark136 Posts
September 22 2012 11:01 GMT
#14
I'm glad to hear you guys are working on it... i cant wait!!

oh and don't change any of the products PLS !!...

i really hope you will get it up and running by october that would be sick!!

keep up the good work!
We don’t stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
September 22 2012 11:08 GMT
#15
thanks for the update.
keep it deep! @zulison
FroznSmoke
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany8 Posts
September 22 2012 11:38 GMT
#16
thx for the infos! You dont need to load it all on yourself, we will be waiting - if we need to, for years! :D
MarineKing Thorzain HasuObs
Kenny_oro
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany368 Posts
September 22 2012 12:01 GMT
#17
I'd like to know where the store is going to be located - I know some local shirt manufacturers who might be able to reproduce the TL-Shirts
HerO | TaeJa | Sea | Polt | CranK Fighting!
tharid
Profile Joined March 2011
78 Posts
September 22 2012 12:20 GMT
#18
On September 22 2012 08:50 Thrill wrote:
Shit happens. Just inform, don't apologize.


No, that's transparent business.

U fuk up (no lieing implied, but certain expecations weren't fullfilled)
u apologize
u keep it realz.
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-22 12:21:35
September 22 2012 12:21 GMT
#19
Knowing is better than not knowing! Hope you can make everything add up
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Tiberan
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany14 Posts
September 22 2012 12:28 GMT
#20
Thanks for the information, really appreciate it!
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