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SC2 World Ranking, Part 11: Choose Your Date!

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Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 17:30:56
August 17 2012 17:12 GMT
#1
Part 10: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=361068

+ Show Spoiler [Introduction] +
Lately, I've heard lots of discussion about a StarCraft 2 World Ranking based on tournament results. Essentially, the concept is that you assign points for tournament rankings. Unfortunately, no matter how it is done, the ranking will always be subjective. One person may say that the GSL is worth as much as every other tournament combined, whereas another person may say that the GSL is worth about as much as a MLG.

How do I get around this "subjective" problem? Here's my answer: I'll let you choose the values!

That's right, I'm starting a project to create a World Ranking. The cool thing is that you get to choose how many points each victory is worth and more.


Now updated with "Dates"! (Current Size: 211 KB)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/43612415/World Ranking.xlsm

+ Show Spoiler [How to Use] +
+ Show Spoiler [Ratios] +
The first sheet is known as "Values" and it is the only spreadsheet you should edit. Only edit the highlighted areas!

Do not worry about the exact point values, only the ratios truly matter! Basically, having GSL = 10 points and MLG = 4 points is the same as having GSL = 5 points and MLG = 2 points.

First, start with the point ratios. Simply enter the points that you think a 1st place is worth compared to a 2nd place, a 3rd place, a 4th place, etc.

For example, if I enter 1,000 points for 1st place and 500 points for 2nd place, that means 1st place is worth double the amount of points as 2nd place. If you think that 1st place is worth 3 times as much as 2nd place, you can put 1st place as 300 points and 2nd place at 100 points.

The section underneath that (highlighted with a darker shade, containing 3rd/4th, 5th/6th, etc.) are optional. You can choose the values yourself if you want. If you do not, they work using averages (3rd/4th averages the points you gave for 3rd place and 4th place).

Next, enter the tournament ratios. For example, if I enter 10 points for GSL and 4 points for MLG, that means GSL will give out 2.5x as many points as MLG. Use these ratios to gauge relative importance of the tournaments. If you think MLG is worth half as much as GSL, make MLG 5 points and GSL 10 points, and so on.

The points are calculated by multiplying the tournament ratios with the point ratios. If I put 100 points for 1st place and 10 points for GSL, it will multiply the two values and give you 1,000 points for GSL 1st place. Here's another example:

Let's say I choose these values: 1st place = 1,000 points, 2nd place = 500 points. GSL = 10 points, MLG = 4 points.

GSL 1st = 1,000*10 = 10,000 points
GSL 2nd = 500*10 = 5,000 points
MLG 1st = 1,000*4 = 4,000 points
MLG 2nd = 500*4 = 2,000 points


+ Show Spoiler [Regression] +
One thing that is very popular in point rankings such as this is the concept of regression. Basically, your points degrade over time, meaning that a GSL today is worth more than a GSL one year ago.

The sheet "Values" has a "Regression Factor" which you can edit. Right now, the spreadsheet only supports simple regression - exponential decay. Here's how the regression model works:

New Point Value = Original Point Value * (Regression Factor)^(# of Days since the Tournament)

The value I prefer is "0.99769217652702". If you use this value, the number of points will be halved after 300 days (so 10,000 points becomes 5,000 points), the number of points will be 25% after 600 days (so 10,000 points becomes 2,500 points), and so on.

You may choose your own value! If you do not wish to use regression (you think a GSL from one year ago is worth exactly the same as a GSL today), then simply use the value "1".

Some regression values:
50% after 120 days: 0.99424042381754732964045049128729
50% after 180 days: 0.99615658722058
50% after 300 days: 0.99769217652702


+ Show Spoiler [Dates] +
The newest feature of this spreadsheet: Dates!

The concept of this is that you can go back in time and see what the rankings would look like in August 2011 or August 2010 or whatever date you choose. The way to use this is very simple:

In the "Values" spreadsheet, there is a section called "Date". Simply change this date to whatever date you want to go back to!


+ Show Spoiler [Sorting] +
Finally, when you are ready to produce your ranking, simply press the "Sort" button in the "Values" sheet. It will automatically sort every list in the spreadsheet. The sheet named "Ranking" will have your final ranking sorted from the greatest amount of points to the least amount of points.


However, this is not completed yet! In fact, I need your help!

+ Show Spoiler [Checklist] +
Red Bull LAN
WCS
HomeStory
OSL
ESWC
BlizzCon
GSL Code A
Other major tournaments/one-off tournaments (such as IPL Hot Import Nights, GSL All-Stars Invitational, MLG Global Invitational, etc.)
Tournament rankings without prize pool (such as MLG 9th place)


+ Show Spoiler [My Progress] +
+ Show Spoiler +
Part 1: I started this project on Google Spreadsheets and added the three GSL Open Seasons. NesTea topped the rankings with his GSL Open Season win.

Part 2: I added all of the GSL Code S seasons including the World Championship, Super Tournament, and Blizzard Cup. I also moved the project to Microsoft Excel, which is much much faster than Google Spreadsheets. With the addition of more GSL seasons, the GSL king (also known as Mvp) topped the rankings.

Part 3: I added IPL. I changed the spreadsheet into a macro-enabled spreadsheet and protected each sheet except "Values". The addition of IPL allowed Squirtle to break the top ten!

Part 4: I added MLG. MLG gave a lot of points to DongRaeGu and MarineKing, and they rose many places. MC, MMA, and Leenock also rose some places, while NesTea didn't gain any points.

Part 5: I added DreamHack. A high placement in DreamHack allowed Genius to overtake aLive and break into the top 10.


+ Show Spoiler +
Part 6: I added IEM. Also, I changed the "Values" system to work with ratios rather than point values for each "cluster" of tournaments. Ratios are more flexible in general.

Part 7: I added Top 16 for each DreamHack tournament (before, only the placements with prize money were included in the ranking). Also, I added the NASL, causing PuMa and Stephano to enter the rankings.

Part 8: I added Top 16 for each MLG Arena this year. I added the Iron Squid, giving lots of points to MMA.

Part 9: I added TSL, not much accomplished today.

Part 10: I added Assembly and Seed falls in the rankings as Stephano, PuMa, and Polt gain significant amounts of points.


Part 11: I added WCG, giving Mvp even more points. Also, I added "Dates" which lets you go back in time and view rankings from an earlier date!


+ Show Spoiler [How You Can Help!] +
I need lists of tournament rankings. First, I need the name of the tournament, and the date it ended. Then, I need a list of players starting from 1st place until last place. Here's an example:

GSL Open Season 1
10/2/2010

FruitDealer
RainBOw
Ensnare
LiveForever
HongUn
InCa
Maka
TricKsteR
anypro
Check
Clide
Hyperdub
LegalMind
Nettie
San
TOP
IdrA
JookTo
justfake
Keeping
Maru
Polt
TaeJa
Tankboy
TheWinD
TLO
ZanDarke
Zenio
Aory
Artosis
Astraea
BrEEzE
Cella
Cezanne
Chipmunk
Dos
FoCuS
Genius
Gerrard
GuineaPig
Hansin
JiTaeHoon
jjonga
JSL
Junwi
LosirA
MC
miso
Myth
NesTea
New
RenieHouR
SengKun
Sopia
Spunky
SSoja
TorcH
Wind
Xian
Yong

My next goal is foreign tournaments. Do not worry about Code A yet!


Finally, here is my own ranking:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. 29,115 Mvp
2. 25,938 MC
3. 23,183 DongRaeGu
4. 22,059 MMA
5. 17,023 NesTea
6. 14,801 MarineKing
7. 12,440 Polt
8. 10,857 Stephano
9. 10,557 PuMa
10. 9,780 Seed

I added WCG, giving Mvp a large lead once more.


This time, I added WCG. However, I only added the grand finals of WCG. I know that some people asked me to add WCG Korea and whatnot, but I found that it just wasn't worth it.

1. The WCG Nationals are basically qualifiers for the WCG event. I haven't added qualifiers yet, so I don't think WCG should have an exception. (This doesn't mean that I'll never add qualifiers, I just want to focus on other tournaments first.)
2. Each qualifier is vastly different. For example, the U.S. qualifiers were the only qualifiers to have 8 qualifiers with brackets. I wasn't really sure how I should add them, or how much of them I should add. Should I add Top 16 for each qualifier? This doesn't really make sense with the U.S. qualifiers since there are 8 first places...
3. I could not find the dates for the Chinese and U.S. qualifiers. I simply cannot add tournaments without the date, and I think it's unfair to add every country except these two.
4. Honestly, the reward of the National qualifiers is the opportunity to play at WCG and win major points. They're just qualifiers and not actually tournaments themselves.

Basically, if someone shows interest in the WCG Nationals, finds the dates of the Chinese and U.S. qualifiers for me, and gives me a suggestion on how I should add them, then I'll be happy to add them in. Also, I didn't include 17th-56th place of WCG... please tell me if there's a demand for these places.

To sum it up, WCG is a headache. xD

On the other hand, you can go play with the new "Dates" function I added.

Now, I will try to add graphs of a player's points over time, as suggested by opterown. I have no idea how to do this, but I'll find a way.

My question for you: What tournament should I add next?

Part 12: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=361555

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IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 17 2012 18:26 GMT
#2
I think I'll just sit down and give myself a pat on the back.

Mvp's points over time:
[image loading]

That's just a sneak preview of what you can do tomorrow! :D
IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
opsayo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
591 Posts
August 17 2012 18:34 GMT
#3
It's a shame nobody posted in this. This is cool
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 17 2012 21:17 GMT
#4
haha epic!
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 18 2012 00:58 GMT
#5
It might be possible to add another player too...

So you can compare MC's and Mvp's points over time or something. Would you be interested in that?
IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
Peanutbutter717
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States240 Posts
August 18 2012 01:28 GMT
#6
I keep thinking this is like some sort of dating post, because #10 I think said "hottest starcraft players" and now this one. It's tripping me out.
Marine -> masters
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 18 2012 03:30 GMT
#7
Sorry, I'll try to think of better titles. xD
IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 18 2012 03:54 GMT
#8
On August 18 2012 09:58 Entirety wrote:
It might be possible to add another player too...

So you can compare MC's and Mvp's points over time or something. Would you be interested in that?

yup, like a top5 or something would be cool
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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