EPTThat makes them human. Hard work. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
God.
Edit : If I were a progamer and I saw something like this trying to dehumanize me, I would be furious.
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Azera
3800 Posts
That makes them human. Hard work. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. God. Edit : If I were a progamer and I saw something like this trying to dehumanize me, I would be furious. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On June 24 2012 12:58 Azera wrote: I can't help but think how shockingly ignorant this post is. Progamers are not robots. Even the best are not. You lack the capability to think about just how much they practice. Just look at some of the streamers. The dedication, the passion for the game, the desire to be good. That makes them human. Hard work. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. God. Man, TL is unbelievably and unnecessarily negative sometimes. "Shockingly ignorant" is a bit strong just because you disagree with someone, don't you think? And I don't mean to speak for him, but I think Lotsa_Spaghetti is perfectly aware that pro gamers are in fact hard workers, as well as members of the human race. He's just concerned that they won't always do what they do primarily out of love of the game, and that they might do it more for money than for the game itself. And if the players, casters, tournament organizers, etc. don't have that passion for the game, that will show through in the product; right now, I think most Starcraft productions today show a lot of passion and love of the game in their final product, and we shouldn't take that for granted. Disagreeing with him is fine, but calling his post "shockingly ignorant" and then proceeding to state obvious facts of which he is almost certainly aware (e.g. progamers are humans, and they work hard) seems to me to be the forum equivalent of proxying five barracks in your opponent's base, and then calling him a scrub — incredibly bad manner. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
Looking forward to HSC. Every one of them kicked ass. | ||
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Mstring
Australia510 Posts
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
we all used to play with a rival in mind, or knowing that there was someone out there to play against. you can hear many of the current pros in the fighting game comminuty calling out for a challenge. gaming was gaming but now there is pro-gaming, which is amazing to be frank i wouldn't normally look at it this way but i feel that many starcraft pros are hoping for easy brackets, easy matchups, and easy opponents so they have an easier road to winning the finals. many people still blame how it is hard to have a grasp over the game and how it's hard to differentiate yourself from others. i can honestly see a lot that a starcraft 2 progamer can still do to make those differences. you can clearly see the style and ferocity of a top-tier fighting game player, even if they're using a bottom-tier character--this is because of the hours and hours of playing, just the same as a starcraft player. i wouldn't compare the heart and motiviations between players across different genres of games though. they are not so much different to me in that sense. what i see in starcraft 2 is imperfection and room to grow. your movesets are not often limited in a game of starcraft. the professional level of casters these days gives many people peace of mind. i couldn't even imagine following an event knowing there wouldn't be a star studded lineup of shout-casters to help guide me along. and i feel that my connection to pros or even the entire event is more homely than ever. i don't have to worry about a low level of production quality or any obnoxious elements. it's kind of ironic that you pick a picture of DRG for that caption. he one of the most friendly and lively players on the scene. it's a blessing to be able to see some of the best of the best at each and every event these days. | ||
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DRTnOOber
New Zealand476 Posts
Everything else in modern Western society seems to be permeated by corporate interests. You can't go anywhere these days without being bombarded with advertising, without some company trying to manipulate you into feeling a certain way so you feel the need to fill a certain gap with their product. Which is insane when you think about it. It'd be really nice if we could keep that whole messed up part of modern society as far away from what we do in e-sports as possible. I'm not suggesting we exclude corporations and money altogether, but as you suggested - we need to be smart about the decisions we make so that we keep the ownership of what we do and fill it with intelligence, love, and creativity. | ||
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