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Barcraft, Starcraft, and Dustin Browder

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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 13:11:46
May 21 2012 07:17 GMT
#1
(Read it all, plz)

I went to SoCal's Barcraft run by...well...I don't remember the guy who runs it. It's the one that has the TT esports sponsor and has giveaways. I've also heard some unsavory rumors about them pressuring other barcraft organizers in the area to close up so they could focus on one larger one. That's completely irrelevant here, though.

What is relevant, however, is that it was my first time attending these guys' barcraft. It was unfortunately quite a drive for my friends and I. To be honest, going to this event was something we decided on largely because we wanted to meet up and eat somewhere. MLG's Spring Arena Finals just happened to be occurring today, so we decided, "why not?".

I'm one of those relatively old school hipster BW fanatics. I started following around 2006/2007ish, so I'm not an old-old-timer, though. But still, when SC2 was released, everything changed way too quickly for me. TL went from having the same 30 or so people writing in topics to hundreds. SC2's forum got moved above BW's. The same forum stalkers used to be more or less familiar with one another, and lots of inside jokes circulated constantly, with friendly links quickly posted to their origins when someone new came around. Any time any TL'ers at all were in Korea, they were encouraged to contact lilsusie to hang out. Foreign "pros" still posted on the forums.

SC2 was a decent game, but there were things I just couldn't accept. I didn't like how different it was largely because of how in love with BW I am. I didn't like the design flaws people have been pointing out since the game was first released to beta. I still, to this day, don't like unlimited unit selection, MBS, or even automine. I don't like the way the units clump, I don't like the messy death ball vs death ball battles, I don't like force fields, I don't like the high unit DPS, and I don't like how your income scales with worker count so severely.

I'm not good enough at the game to be able to say anything with definite authority. I just don't like those things. I kept following the pro scene mainly 'cause of the old boys' club and a few new faces (Idra, Nony, and Ret in particular, and I like Hero, Destiny, and Thorzain, to name a few), and because I really appreciated and was amazed by the scene's growth. MLG, IPL, Dreamhack, and all the others have done an absolutely fantastic job with SC2, and I like the direction it's heading in.

That's all peripheral, though. In the end, I just got bored of the game. I stopped watching games and streams, and I pretty much stopped posting on TL, only perusing the blogs, sports and games, and the BW forums. Apart from the excitement of esports' growth, I just couldn't get past everything I disliked about SC2, and I stopped finding it enjoyable at all.

So today at the Barcraft I noticed, after we were seated, that Dustin Browder was sitting at the table next to us with his wife and kids. It was the middle of the grand finals between Symbol and Violet, and they were finishing up their lunch as we were ordering our food. We were a bit low in energy, nursing hangovers from the previous night, and just wanted our chicken wings and some water. The crowd itself was pretty thin. The organizers jokingly blamed Diablo 3 as the culprit when they came by and said hello.

Then, Violet went for his Roach/Baneling all-in on Cloud Kingdom. I rolled my eyes, thinking, "Oh boy, another SC2 all-in...". But next to us, Dustin Browder suddenly cheered and clapped, cutting through the hockey fans in the room next to us, and brought some energy back into the room, overpowering the relatively low-key gasps of others. I nearly jumped.

I observed him a bit more closely for the rest of my time there after that. He was having a great time, and was getting genuinely excited for the game. He wasn't trying to get us other nerds in the room riled up, he was just having fun. He excitedly pointed every cool tactic to his wife or to his friend and had his back straight with attention during every tense moment. Even when they moved on to playing VODs of the KeSPA PL's inaugural BW/SC2 match from the night before, he couldn't contain himself when By.Sun FF'd off Jaedong's workers when he went for that last ditch drone pull. He excitedly turned to his friend, exclaiming while laughing, "oh wow, he just didn't need to do that. He knows he's got this...".

For me, it was infectious Sitting next to him for just those few hours and witnessing his excitement over the game (despite being so closely involved with it from before the beginning) completely changed my perspective on the game. This wasn't an interview or a commentating gig. There were no interviews or press - this was him and his family having a good time on a Sunday.

I started seeing the game in the way I imagine he did. The game's flaws stopped mattering to me, and my cynicism was suddenly suppressed. It became fun to watch again. I'm still having trouble explicating just what happened, but something significant definitely did. I started getting excited again. I started discussing the games with my friends with energy. I excitedly recounted the histories of the BW players playing SC2. I was on the edge of my seat for VODs I already knew the results for. Hell, when we got back, we watched some SC2. I'm watching SC2 now on my other monitor as I'm writing this.

I'm genuinely excited about SC2 now, and this is different than any excitement I've ever felt towards it before. Nearly everything about the game is refreshing again, and it's all because we got seated next to Dustin Browder and his contagious and genuine passion and enthusiasm for the game.

I've been playing Blizzard games since I picked up a copy of Vanilla SC. These are great people making games they love as best they can. SC2 isn't the best and it has its problems, but it's definitely not bad, or even good - it's great. We can and should discuss those problems, but those problems are only a part of what is ultimately an exciting game to spectate, and an amazing scene to follow. I had fun today, and I'm going to continue having fun.

Thanks, Dustin Browder.


tl;dr: Just read it.

EDIT
Just made some grammatical and flow corrections.

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Aelonius
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands432 Posts
May 21 2012 07:49 GMT
#2
I would love to write a long, intelligent reply but all I can say is this:

This is a brilliant and well written blog! =)
''The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.''—Ronald Reagan
Finskie
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden412 Posts
May 21 2012 07:54 GMT
#3
neat story, i am envious of that kind of passion. i was pretty hooked when beta came out but after that i've pretty much been bored with sc2, just the same way you were. i still pay attention to results from major tournaments but never watch streams or so, im happy for the growth just because the community (for the most part) is very good.

anyway, PH fighting~!
Violet.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
May 21 2012 07:55 GMT
#4
Awesome blog post!
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Vandroy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden155 Posts
May 21 2012 13:48 GMT
#5
I enjoyed reading this blog, cool to see that it was Dusting Browder's passion that made you excited about Sc2. I've always been under the impression(during interviews and such) that he had a passion for the game and I'm glad it sort of got confirmed off the record.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 14:41:17
May 21 2012 14:38 GMT
#6
Let's put it this way I as a game developer have poured sweat and blood in to creating this Awesome game called sc2 and here I am coincidentally in a barcraft watching sc2 and they are games playing on screen . Will I not get excited that my game is playing by the elusive bw pro's ? Of course I would fucking go crazy on everything that is happening on screen . I can clearly see your vast experience in bw and how most bw experience player than preferring sc2 in the end because of a certain reason.

Well I am glad you like sc2 and you look at it from the perspective of D bowder but not for me ... No way he will understand what I see in broodwar that sc2 doesn't have right now . Flashy graphics check. Easier access to mechanics check Smart casting check . For a game released at this time of era it definitely full filled every casual gamers out there but not for me and maybe it's just me .

Nah the freaking hate I have for sc2 is too deep and probably it's good for me that fans of bw like me should disappear with the game too.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
May 21 2012 17:36 GMT
#7
This makes me sad and happy at the same time.
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
May 22 2012 05:00 GMT
#8
Also I was watching old Randy prichard talking about how he was stealing ideas from the movie Aliens the whole time and how he is going to make the game Aliens colonial marine sticking close to the genre and not going beyond what is stipulated from fox. You have got to to give a pat on the back for this game developers they have quite the passion in the games they do just like Randy from gear box and other developers.

I think for me the most anticipated old school rpg is waste land 2 headed by Brian Fargo and previous black isle team who made fall out and Torment. I haven't played torment and finish it yet because the game was really dark and atmospheric for me and starting out in the crematorium was quite frightening and every characters and ghoul you interact with had excellent scripting and writing to back with .

So yeah maybe I wont see eye to eye with d bowder and his games but I do see what other developers are doing for their games and their passion they pour in to the game .Here's hoping for more developers like black isle and old school developers to reappear and make a stand for better games .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
May 22 2012 05:50 GMT
#9
Awww that is so cute. I don't know much about Dustin Bowder except that people seem to criticize him on TL. Nice to hear that he's not some cynical corporate drone.
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