• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:17
CEST 12:17
KST 19:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection4Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)7
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June0Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
My starcraft 2 changes Glyco Honey Review 2026: Real Customer Experiences SCFusion - WoL, HotS & LotV Build Order Optimizer TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes?
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum Mutation # 527 Hell Train
Brood War
General
Tesagi Viewer - A new era of replay watching 14k games analyzed: Cross Spawn Nexus first good? FlaSh's ASL S21 Finals Review BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ VPN experiences
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Path of Exile ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How cold is too cold to be outdoors? Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7543 users

Barcraft, Starcraft, and Dustin Browder

Blogs > PH
Post a Reply
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 13:11:46
May 21 2012 07:17 GMT
#1
(Read it all, plz)

I went to SoCal's Barcraft run by...well...I don't remember the guy who runs it. It's the one that has the TT esports sponsor and has giveaways. I've also heard some unsavory rumors about them pressuring other barcraft organizers in the area to close up so they could focus on one larger one. That's completely irrelevant here, though.

What is relevant, however, is that it was my first time attending these guys' barcraft. It was unfortunately quite a drive for my friends and I. To be honest, going to this event was something we decided on largely because we wanted to meet up and eat somewhere. MLG's Spring Arena Finals just happened to be occurring today, so we decided, "why not?".

I'm one of those relatively old school hipster BW fanatics. I started following around 2006/2007ish, so I'm not an old-old-timer, though. But still, when SC2 was released, everything changed way too quickly for me. TL went from having the same 30 or so people writing in topics to hundreds. SC2's forum got moved above BW's. The same forum stalkers used to be more or less familiar with one another, and lots of inside jokes circulated constantly, with friendly links quickly posted to their origins when someone new came around. Any time any TL'ers at all were in Korea, they were encouraged to contact lilsusie to hang out. Foreign "pros" still posted on the forums.

SC2 was a decent game, but there were things I just couldn't accept. I didn't like how different it was largely because of how in love with BW I am. I didn't like the design flaws people have been pointing out since the game was first released to beta. I still, to this day, don't like unlimited unit selection, MBS, or even automine. I don't like the way the units clump, I don't like the messy death ball vs death ball battles, I don't like force fields, I don't like the high unit DPS, and I don't like how your income scales with worker count so severely.

I'm not good enough at the game to be able to say anything with definite authority. I just don't like those things. I kept following the pro scene mainly 'cause of the old boys' club and a few new faces (Idra, Nony, and Ret in particular, and I like Hero, Destiny, and Thorzain, to name a few), and because I really appreciated and was amazed by the scene's growth. MLG, IPL, Dreamhack, and all the others have done an absolutely fantastic job with SC2, and I like the direction it's heading in.

That's all peripheral, though. In the end, I just got bored of the game. I stopped watching games and streams, and I pretty much stopped posting on TL, only perusing the blogs, sports and games, and the BW forums. Apart from the excitement of esports' growth, I just couldn't get past everything I disliked about SC2, and I stopped finding it enjoyable at all.

So today at the Barcraft I noticed, after we were seated, that Dustin Browder was sitting at the table next to us with his wife and kids. It was the middle of the grand finals between Symbol and Violet, and they were finishing up their lunch as we were ordering our food. We were a bit low in energy, nursing hangovers from the previous night, and just wanted our chicken wings and some water. The crowd itself was pretty thin. The organizers jokingly blamed Diablo 3 as the culprit when they came by and said hello.

Then, Violet went for his Roach/Baneling all-in on Cloud Kingdom. I rolled my eyes, thinking, "Oh boy, another SC2 all-in...". But next to us, Dustin Browder suddenly cheered and clapped, cutting through the hockey fans in the room next to us, and brought some energy back into the room, overpowering the relatively low-key gasps of others. I nearly jumped.

I observed him a bit more closely for the rest of my time there after that. He was having a great time, and was getting genuinely excited for the game. He wasn't trying to get us other nerds in the room riled up, he was just having fun. He excitedly pointed every cool tactic to his wife or to his friend and had his back straight with attention during every tense moment. Even when they moved on to playing VODs of the KeSPA PL's inaugural BW/SC2 match from the night before, he couldn't contain himself when By.Sun FF'd off Jaedong's workers when he went for that last ditch drone pull. He excitedly turned to his friend, exclaiming while laughing, "oh wow, he just didn't need to do that. He knows he's got this...".

For me, it was infectious Sitting next to him for just those few hours and witnessing his excitement over the game (despite being so closely involved with it from before the beginning) completely changed my perspective on the game. This wasn't an interview or a commentating gig. There were no interviews or press - this was him and his family having a good time on a Sunday.

I started seeing the game in the way I imagine he did. The game's flaws stopped mattering to me, and my cynicism was suddenly suppressed. It became fun to watch again. I'm still having trouble explicating just what happened, but something significant definitely did. I started getting excited again. I started discussing the games with my friends with energy. I excitedly recounted the histories of the BW players playing SC2. I was on the edge of my seat for VODs I already knew the results for. Hell, when we got back, we watched some SC2. I'm watching SC2 now on my other monitor as I'm writing this.

I'm genuinely excited about SC2 now, and this is different than any excitement I've ever felt towards it before. Nearly everything about the game is refreshing again, and it's all because we got seated next to Dustin Browder and his contagious and genuine passion and enthusiasm for the game.

I've been playing Blizzard games since I picked up a copy of Vanilla SC. These are great people making games they love as best they can. SC2 isn't the best and it has its problems, but it's definitely not bad, or even good - it's great. We can and should discuss those problems, but those problems are only a part of what is ultimately an exciting game to spectate, and an amazing scene to follow. I had fun today, and I'm going to continue having fun.

Thanks, Dustin Browder.


tl;dr: Just read it.

EDIT
Just made some grammatical and flow corrections.

****
Hello
Aelonius
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands432 Posts
May 21 2012 07:49 GMT
#2
I would love to write a long, intelligent reply but all I can say is this:

This is a brilliant and well written blog! =)
''The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.''—Ronald Reagan
Finskie
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden412 Posts
May 21 2012 07:54 GMT
#3
neat story, i am envious of that kind of passion. i was pretty hooked when beta came out but after that i've pretty much been bored with sc2, just the same way you were. i still pay attention to results from major tournaments but never watch streams or so, im happy for the growth just because the community (for the most part) is very good.

anyway, PH fighting~!
Violet.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
May 21 2012 07:55 GMT
#4
Awesome blog post!
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Vandroy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden155 Posts
May 21 2012 13:48 GMT
#5
I enjoyed reading this blog, cool to see that it was Dusting Browder's passion that made you excited about Sc2. I've always been under the impression(during interviews and such) that he had a passion for the game and I'm glad it sort of got confirmed off the record.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 14:41:17
May 21 2012 14:38 GMT
#6
Let's put it this way I as a game developer have poured sweat and blood in to creating this Awesome game called sc2 and here I am coincidentally in a barcraft watching sc2 and they are games playing on screen . Will I not get excited that my game is playing by the elusive bw pro's ? Of course I would fucking go crazy on everything that is happening on screen . I can clearly see your vast experience in bw and how most bw experience player than preferring sc2 in the end because of a certain reason.

Well I am glad you like sc2 and you look at it from the perspective of D bowder but not for me ... No way he will understand what I see in broodwar that sc2 doesn't have right now . Flashy graphics check. Easier access to mechanics check Smart casting check . For a game released at this time of era it definitely full filled every casual gamers out there but not for me and maybe it's just me .

Nah the freaking hate I have for sc2 is too deep and probably it's good for me that fans of bw like me should disappear with the game too.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
May 21 2012 17:36 GMT
#7
This makes me sad and happy at the same time.
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
May 22 2012 05:00 GMT
#8
Also I was watching old Randy prichard talking about how he was stealing ideas from the movie Aliens the whole time and how he is going to make the game Aliens colonial marine sticking close to the genre and not going beyond what is stipulated from fox. You have got to to give a pat on the back for this game developers they have quite the passion in the games they do just like Randy from gear box and other developers.

I think for me the most anticipated old school rpg is waste land 2 headed by Brian Fargo and previous black isle team who made fall out and Torment. I haven't played torment and finish it yet because the game was really dark and atmospheric for me and starting out in the crematorium was quite frightening and every characters and ghoul you interact with had excellent scripting and writing to back with .

So yeah maybe I wont see eye to eye with d bowder and his games but I do see what other developers are doing for their games and their passion they pour in to the game .Here's hoping for more developers like black isle and old school developers to reappear and make a stand for better games .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
May 22 2012 05:50 GMT
#9
Awww that is so cute. I don't know much about Dustin Bowder except that people seem to criticize him on TL. Nice to hear that he's not some cynical corporate drone.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
09:00
SEL Masters #6
Solar vs Classic
CranKy Ducklings82
LiquipediaDiscussion
The PiG Daily
21:30
GSL Ro8 Group B Replay Cast
Maru vs SHIN
Rogue vs Zoun
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 46
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 9446
firebathero 462
BeSt 342
Soma 245
Horang2 231
Larva 193
actioN 164
Zeus 149
Leta 142
ZerO 116
[ Show more ]
scan(afreeca) 92
EffOrt 86
910 64
Rush 55
Last 43
Mind 39
Mong 32
yabsab 25
sorry 12
Bale 10
Light 6
Sacsri 5
Dota 2
Gorgc91
Counter-Strike
zeus215
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King75
Other Games
singsing1806
B2W.Neo336
Sick185
KnowMe104
Pyrionflax91
ZerO(Twitch)13
OptimusSC211
MindelVK9
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick633
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 11
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH235
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP77
• StrangeGG 62
• LUISG 34
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1700
• Jankos1272
• Stunt779
Upcoming Events
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4h 43m
Grudge Match
5h 43m
FlaShFTW vs A.Alm
OSC
10h 43m
MaxPax vs YoungYakov
Krystianer vs Shameless
GgMaChine vs Creature
LetaleX vs MiniZergUA
ReBellioN vs TBD
ArT vs HiGhDrA
Nicoract vs Azura
GSL
21h 43m
herO vs Rogue
Maru vs Cure
Patches Events
1d 2h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 4h
BSL
1d 8h
Bonyth vs Dewalt
OSC
1d 13h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KK 2v2 League Season 1
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Heroes Pulsing #3
Heroes Pulsing #2
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.