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IPL4 Open Bracket Replays - Viewer Guide (Terran)

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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
April 27 2012 04:38 GMT
#1
Are you an aspiring terran player looking to expand your horizans and make that next leap in skill? Are you constantly stuck doing the same 1 build in all 3 matchups? Or maybe you lose games the same ways and have no idea where you're going wrong. Do you watch tons of sc2 but find it difficult or hard to copy things or it doesnt really help?

Replays are the way to go for a fast track to improvement. (granted you have the mechanics and basic game fundamentals down) There are dozens of replays out there, you need to just sit down and learn to watch them the right way. Everyone watched the IPL4 stream of pool play matches and the championship bracket/finals. We've all seen terrans like MKP/MMA playing on stage dozens of times so I find myself skipping their replays at first when huge packs come out in favor of guys I don't see as much. All of the following open bracket games were played for IPL4 a couple weeks ago and were never shown on stage, never streamed or casted...(well could be casted now...)

I'm going to spend a bit of time and walk through a few of the more interesting games I noticed as I watched about 70 games from the event in the past day. All terran talk all the time of course, I intentionally ignore the abomination matches that don't involve terran, PvP, PvZ, ZvZ are dead to me. I know many more casual players/fans don't really prefer to watch replays because they don't understand what's going on at a deep enough level and need commentary. Hopefully some insight provided here might motivate you to go check some of these games out! There are some really amazing games here which you can witness first hand, and learn a thing or two along the way.

Before continuing I would recommend going and downloading the replay pack and watch any games that I outline below that might seem intersting to you... Some games I have writeups others I have just footnotes on initial thoughts or notes I took as to what builds/styles were done in the game. I do this with many replays I download in order to sort or if I ever have to go back to review anything.

Games in bold are ones you should definitely watch and builds/things I'm stealing. Everything else is simply taken from notes I have on games I watched. I watched way more than just these games but these are the ones I felt were worth taking notes on.

  • Winners Round 2

    GoSuSTX vs JJakji Game 1 (Daybreak)
    STX plays bio vs Jjakji mech. STX nearly wins this game with some nice moves including killer drop on a bunch of tanks. But doesnt defend a blue flame drop and goes for a suicide attack shortly after. First 12-15 minutes are worth studying for both players though depending on what style your intersted in.

    STX vs Jjakji 2 Game 2 (Antiga - 2marine reaper expo into marine tank vs banshee tank)

    Ghostking vs Chance 1 (Daybreak - gasless fe into double reactor hellion into mech)
    Chance does not react to mech well at all in this game, instead of attempting to circumvent things he tries to fight head on and gets destroyed. Also a double reactor hellion move kills shittons of drones which really puts him behind.

    Illusion vs Zenio Game 1 (Daybreak - gasless fe into double medivac (no hellions))
    Illusion goes with a nice build that is pretty popular, double medivac timing and really gives zenio huge trouble just maintaining his 3rd at first. Eventually Zenio gets to late game but is fairly behind the entire game and never really stands a decent chance. He spends more time making creep tumors this game than units it seems.

    ViBE vs Ryung Game 1 (gasless expand into hellion banshee vs roach ling bane allin)
    Vibe should have won this game. Does so much damage with his initial allin but classic case of when Zerg doesn't quite win the game with an allin things can get ugly. A spire snipe among other things just lead to Vibe going full foreigner sadly and losing this game.

    Vibe vs Ryung Game 2 (gasless expo into hellion banshee no cloak vs ling infestor ult)
    A build I've noticed from many Korean terrans is gasless expand into a fast banshee sometimes with cloak sometimes without. No cloak this game for Ryung but I've noticed having the banshee simply for map control in the early mid game before infestors or mutas are out can be so strong. Simply for scouting, denying creep and just being a general annoyance to the zerg player.

    KawaiiRice vs Sound 1 (daybreak gasless FE into cloak banshee mech vs marine tank)
    Very nice game. Shows how its really hard to win with bio vs a good mech terran on Daybreak due to limited space to move big armies.

    KawaiiRice vs Sound 2 (gasless FE into fast siege push vs marine expo (poor marine expo))
    Reason why I dislike gasless FE marine builds in TvT. Suppose kawaii could have had better control but it still looked quite grim to me.

    Drewbie vs Heart 2 (15cc vs reaper hellion cloak siege lol)

  • Winners Round 3

    Illusion vs Maru Game 1 (Metropolis - reaper hellion vs tank raven 3 cc)
    Maru's build is really safe, fast 3cc with a tank and raven. Good safe macro oriented TvT opening. He gets a lucky hit in on Illusions 3rd 12 minutes in which ends the game quickly.

    Killer(KR)vs Taeja1 (cloak banshee into macro (raven bio)
    Watch this game. Taeja plays some stuff in TvP that I LOVE. Opens cloak banshee and gets a fast 3rd cc. To quote my teammate, protoss player and resident strategy forum guru NrGMonk:

    "What I fear most is cloak banshee into macro."

    Taeja also gets a raven and produces a number of banshees+vikings. You thought dealing with drops was scary as protoss? add pdd + vikings sniping your obs AND cloak banshees... half a protoss army could die to something like that if they aren't ready. This is a quite awesome TvP style to play and autowins vs lots of stupid gateway allin agression that some people are doing these days (skipping Robo)

    Killer(KR) vs Taeja 2 (1rax expo double mediv)

    Ganzi vs Classicprime 1 (15cc ninja expo)
    Ganzi goes for a 15cc cc in this game but doesnt make it in his natrual instead he makes it hidden on Cloud Kingdom. Poor classic is probably freaked out thinking a proxy rax is somewhere, when Ganzi is just making his 3rd cc in his main...This leads to a maxed terran 2-2 army at 15 minutes for an easy Amove win over a quite solid korean protoss player.

    Huk vs Ryung2 (huk probe rush vs 15cc)
    Ryung does a 15cc on the same map as the Ganzi/Classic game but does it where you would expect it (In the natural of all places...) huk literally sends 6-7 probes straight to ryungs base and does tons of damage getting him ahead. Wins with a gateway timing follow up. total contrast to the ganzi 15cc and showcases a pretty interesting response that protosses have been doing against 15cc lately. Maybe terran players should think twice about 15cc'ing like this on 2 player maps.

    HeartvsBBongBBong2 (reactor hellion expand into forget siege)

    HeartvsBBongBBong3 (reactor hellion expo with non cloak banshee marine tank) More interesting stuff with hellion/banshee into marine tank. Pretty standard but nice to see executed well. Heart probably focused super hard this game due to an abysmal game 2.

    JJakjivsCrank1 (hellion marauder semi allin into bio)
    Jjakji has a pretty interesting build in this series against Crank. Hellion marauder. Not too common anymore at least from TvZ's I've seen but can still work decently. It actually gets spotted really early by an overlord so Crank prepares and defends quite easily but Jjakji simply just makes an expand and defenses it into an easy win regardless.

    JJakivsCrank2 (marauder hellion pressure into bio)

    Parting vs Virus WR3 1 (something bad into a fail 3 tank timing into lose)

    Parting vs Virus WR3 2 (1rax fe, good ghost vs templar game (T win))
    Some of my favorite micro in all of sc2 to watch are really good ghost vs templar wars. This game has that and more.

    Parting vs Virus WR3 3 (more templar vs ghost (P win))
    Very nice flank move by Parting to dodge Virus's army wins him this series.

  • Winners round 4

    Taeja vs Maru 1 (cloak banshee vs tank raven expo into marine tank vs marine tank)

    Taeja vs Maru 2 (more good marine tank by both sides)


  • Winners Round 5

    JJakjivsTaeja1 (hellion marine siege allin, into marine tank)

    JJakjivsTaeja2 (hellion marine into siege cloak allin)
    Jjakji's build both games is really interesting and a terran allin I haven't seen much before. It sort of combines an opening that usually transitions into standard play (marine, hellion elevator) but Jjakji simply tech labs both fact and starport and techs up off 1base which autowins on cloud kingdom(game 2) and I believe gets him pretty far ahead in game 1. The cloud kingdom game Taeja has sick defense of the first marine hellion poke. He does something not many players do and gets 1 marauder out which I think is way more scary for the elevator player... Sadly no answer to the siege follow up push though.Definitely a nice build to pull out of your pocket against a terran player you know fairly well or feel like its a good time to allin.

  • Losers Round 4

    Kiwikaki vs Illusion 2 (cloak banshee into 4thor timing into mech)
    Illusion plays a very interesting cloak banshee thor timing which easily kills kiwikaki. Sure kiwikaki is slightly out of shape lately, was still an interesting fairly unorthodox build by illusion who obviously was taking the game seriously since he was down 0-1 in the series already and this was game 2.

    Kiwikaki vs Illusion 3 (hellion drop into mech)
    Really solid mech play by Illusion which is something super rare to see these days TvP.

    LiquidRet vs GhostKing 3 (15cc gas first into standard)

    VirusvsSheth1 (reactor hellion into 1medivac(mistake?) timing)

    VirusvsSheth2 (reactor hellion into double medivac)


    ScarlettvsDemuslim1 (tragic)
    Poor Demuslim.

    ScarlettvsDemuslim2 (even more tragic)
    Poor Poor Demuslim.

  • Losers Round 5

    July vs Sound Antiga 1 (failed bane allin)
    Golden mouse winner plays some of the most allin zerg I've seen in all of the current korean proscene.

    July vs Sound Metropolis 3 (reactor hellion into siege 3cc)

    Virus vs Classic Antiga 1 (bunker rush vs 15nex, lets bunker get up)
    Pretty safe to say you should never let a bunker get up in range of a nexus when your 15nexin.

    Jinro vs Creator (fake expo hellion drop allin loses bunker)

    Jinro vs Creator 2 (1rax fe vs 3gate agression only 1 bunker)
    note: Jinro looked ridiculously bad in both these games

    Illusion vs Ryung 1 (marine tank by both)
    Really solid marine tank movement throughout the game by illusion who gets a slight advantage and uses it to remain the agressor throughout the game eventually sniping the 3rd which seals it.

    Illusion vs Ryung 2 (bio vs mech, mech op gg)
    Ryung makes mech look unbeatable on cloud kingdom.

    Illusion vs Ryung 3 (marine tank)
    sick sick marine tank game by both players.

    Bbongbbong vs Ghostking 1 (gasless fe into banshee vs ling pressure)

    Bbongbbong vs Ghostking 2 (12-13 economic proxy rax into 3cc vs muta ling bane infestor)

  • Losers Round 6


    Illusion vs Oz 1 (reactor hellion into double medivac vs 2base colo allin)
    Oz stays on 2 base in a 24 minute game. Illusion defends a build that so many protosses have been doing for quite a while now, 3 colossus timing with heavy gateway support. I feel a build like that protoss players tend to make allin way more than they need to.

    Illusion vs Oz 2 (cloak banshee into mech loss)
    Similar game to kiwikaki game on Antiga except this time Oz has slightly different unit comp I believe and doesnt waste money on phoenixes like Kiwikaki did. Crushes the timing and fairly easily takes game 2.

    Illusion vs Oz 3 (cloak banshee into mech win)

    Something illusion is pretty crazy good at is adjusting on the fly and I noticed in this game instead of focusing on thors early illusion goes for the same opening but focuses on tanks. Might be a thing to do on daybreak due to small chokes/good places for tanks behind rocks or across ledges. Really amazing mech TvP game against one of the best protoss players in the world. Whenever I see mech beating protoss I have broodwar flashbacks. All that's missing are spider mines and stasis fields.

    Heart v Sound G1 (allin vs allin raven cloak siege)

    Heart v Sound G2 (reaper hellion cloak siege vs reaper expo)

    Virus vs Maru1 (fast banshee siege medivac expo)

    Virus vs Maru2 (reaper hellion vs cloak banshee)


Happy replay watching !

If you DL the pack and find something really amazing feel free to share it.


*****
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
April 27 2012 04:41 GMT
#2
Haven't read yet but I just want to say first - Thank you for this ! <3

Also, as a tiny contribution, I'll quote what I said in the replay release thread

Also Group D is an absolute gold mine if you're trying to learn TvZ. Featuring MMA, Jjakji, Ghostking, and Idra, you can imagine what happens. ^_^ Including a game where Idra leaves while at 201 supply. Yes 201. (yes he was entirely dead at that point but its funnier if you dont think about it)
Gator
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3432 Posts
April 27 2012 05:15 GMT
#3
nice write up :D the illusion vs Oz games were really awesome! his micro in the first game was unreal
TSM
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
April 27 2012 05:18 GMT
#4
omg do i wish that someone did this for protoss, i could use some solid strategies/builds

even though i'm not terran 5/5 for effort sick writeup man
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
April 27 2012 05:47 GMT
#5
Lies, I only fear fear itself.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 08:31:20
April 27 2012 08:23 GMT
#6
note: Jinro looked ridiculously bad in both these games

Note: you are retarded and can't recognize build order losses. Seriously want to know how I am not supposed to look bad in game 1, when it's like the hardest blind counter build you could ever do vs what I was doing --
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 09:35:42
April 27 2012 09:21 GMT
#7
Thank you so much for this, this is exactly what I need to get some fresh ideas!

I especially like the cloack banshee openers in TvP, I do it a lot myself and have always felt it was a solid way to play. Forcing P to make more obs and stalkers than he wants whilst keeping him on the defensive, it just gives you so much control and time.
I think esports is pretty nice.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 12:54:18
April 27 2012 12:54 GMT
#8
Killer(KR)vs Taeja1 (cloak banshee into macro (raven bio)
Watch this game. Taeja plays some stuff in TvP that I LOVE. Opens cloak banshee and gets a fast 3rd cc.

Oh but you said you would never open cloak banshees in a serious TvP??!!! LOL
beep boop
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
April 27 2012 13:09 GMT
#9
On April 27 2012 21:54 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
Killer(KR)vs Taeja1 (cloak banshee into macro (raven bio)
Watch this game. Taeja plays some stuff in TvP that I LOVE. Opens cloak banshee and gets a fast 3rd cc.

Oh but you said you would never open cloak banshees in a serious TvP??!!! LOL

i think the fast 3rd evens it out for him
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
April 27 2012 13:16 GMT
#10
Awesome primer for us Terrans to read. Thanks man!
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
April 27 2012 14:23 GMT
#11
On April 27 2012 17:23 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
note: Jinro looked ridiculously bad in both these games

Note: you are retarded and can't recognize build order losses. Seriously want to know how I am not supposed to look bad in game 1, when it's like the hardest blind counter build you could ever do vs what I was doing --


You are a much better player than me so it's difficult for me to disagree, but I disagree with this.

Both games he did a fairly standard build (1 gate FE into 3 gate aggression) game 1 not much you can do but playing a forward bunker (to fake an FE) seemed like suicide to me considering you didn't get hardly any scouting in. Didn't even see the nexus go down (just the probe there) if that bunker doesn't get broken or is on your ramp you easily survive and would have been ahead. Game 2 an scv sees all and still only try to get away with 1 bunker. The only way T ever really survives in that case is if P is light on sentries. just seemed like really bad basic decisions to me in both games resulting in easy losses to a standard P build.

This is just my opinion, who am I to judge? I lost to Flo last MLG rofl...
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
April 27 2012 14:30 GMT
#12
On April 27 2012 23:23 LuckyFool wrote:

This is just my opinion, who am I to judge? 7mk has a 100% win percentage against me
beep boop
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
April 27 2012 15:53 GMT
#13
Nice replay pack! Hope you do better at MLG Anaheim :p
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ThisIsJimmy
Profile Joined July 2004
United States546 Posts
April 27 2012 16:04 GMT
#14
Great writeup! Really enjoyed reading it! I didn't watch many of the replays but I did see that Ganzi 15 cc against Classic and I thought it was brilliant. Classic has no chance of winning that game unless he randomly scouts the corner expo super early and even then I think Ganzi could have just lifted and played a somewhat normal game from there.
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ElegantSolution
Profile Joined May 2004
191 Posts
April 27 2012 20:06 GMT
#15
Thanks for your job dude, really appreciate it
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38256 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 20:22:52
April 27 2012 20:22 GMT
#16
I love you luckyfool, I barely got started sorting replays out and watching Byun's games so far.

Will definitely be referring back to this repeatedly when choosing what to prioritise!
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
April 27 2012 20:39 GMT
#17
My only regret is I have only five stars to give.
Thank God and gunrun.
iamSTX
Profile Joined March 2011
United States34 Posts
April 27 2012 22:19 GMT
#18
nice writeup man <3
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33416 Posts
April 27 2012 23:25 GMT
#19
On April 27 2012 17:23 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
note: Jinro looked ridiculously bad in both these games

Note: you are retarded and can't recognize build order losses. Seriously want to know how I am not supposed to look bad in game 1, when it's like the hardest blind counter build you could ever do vs what I was doing --


so you admit you looked bad :O?
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Beaza
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany203 Posts
April 27 2012 23:59 GMT
#20
thanx alot bro
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