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PiGStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia945 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 15:07:07
March 20 2012 14:38 GMT
#1
Link to original blog in the series: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=309424

A little bit of background for anyone that doesn't know me. My name is Jared Krensel and I'm a full-time SC2 progamer (zerg) from Sydney, Australia playing for Tt eSPORTS.


Back to the old conundrum, didn't train very hard today so was meant to play atleast 15 games tonight only to find myself getting ~500ping to SEA, even worse to the other servers (normally train on Korea).

Wow. F*** you you F***ing piece of sh***.

So I'll eat pizza and write a blog to amuse myself. I enjoyed Dippa's blog so much that I will copy his idea of mixing random videos and songs in to make my random ramblings more interesting.


Stallion linked that in clan aLt chat and it made me laugh:



Anyone else get goosebumps every single time they watch the scene where Simba's in the canyon and the stampede starts charging down... oh I'll just embed it too:




Anyways. Training has been fun of late. I've been making more higher level practice partners on the Korean server and hovering around top 8 masters. The main improvement has been my ZvT where I actually can read into T production and timings really well now and am dominating the matchup really well. I still think straightup rushing to lingfestor as a standard build is bad but hey if you make it work as well as Tgun does then... all I can say is it's not for me. Meanwhile my win rate going through the roof with this and I've really refined my zero scouting play DRG style with a fast ling speed for safety and good knowledge of marine-counting, drone-checking for the 1 rax expo and gas counting with overlords.



Anyone remember the Gran Turismo 2 intro video with this song? So awesome.

My ZvP has been steadily getting a little more refined. I feel my next step with it is knowing when I can just safely walk an overlord through my opponent's base in the earlygame to spot for early timings and tech. Also I need to learn to defend that 3rd on entombed valley, bloody rocks keep making me take way too much damage from zealot stalker harass. I think I just need to overproduce lings especially on that map and shut it down so i can go back to droning.

My ZvZ is a bit random. Basically I'm just not focusing on it and whenever I don't focus on it it goes to crap. My mechanics and knowledge get me by but basically I just lose to being slightly too greedy or mis-positioning a little. Nothing worrying really I still feel if I practice enough especially my fast 3rd builds I can beat any zerg player in the mid and lategame. I'm just a little sick of the matchup, if you've ever seen the bracket to a SEA tourney you wouldn't blame me.




Randomly thought of this song and it brought back memories..

Well, I'm kinda getting bored of typing now and want to check if my nets doing any better.

I guess I'll update you on my tournaments before I go.

I made it to the ro8 in Playhem today only to lose to GoldenLight (formerly SlayerS). Taldarim first map and his overlord scouted me first so he snuck some banelings and despite my solid micro once on the defensive in ling-bane wars 1 base vs 1 base, you're pretty screwed on this map because you can't get creep to your...nonexistant ramp. Eventually he kept just trading evenly until the splash killed my hatchery and I had to gg. Game 2 he did a 1-base lingbane bust which I thought I was holding fine with mass spines and queen block until I realised I forgot a 3rd queen or my own defensive banelings. Normally people try to expand before it gets that far but he just sniped all the spines within transfuse range of my ramp (Cloud kingdom so not much room). And took down my hatch. The game reset to about even but his ling harass got me into a defensive mindset and I neglected scouting and went super greedy straight teching up only to die to a roach-bane timing . I suppose the ~200ping versus him in a NA teamhouse in Seattle didn't help either, but I could have played game 2 better decision-wise so, lesson learnt.

ACL qualifiers: First one I won my group and couldn't be bothered playing Sunday so forfeited. Last one I lost my first set just after waking up to Myuu. Game 1 I was in a slight lead and then as my lair was finishing up and i went to overseer scout, I realised I misclicked and my lair never started. So I had to wait another 60s, during which time I didn't take precaution against mutas, and so was caught completely offguard and took way too many drone losses to get back in it. Game 2 we both went 1 base lingbane and crossed seperate paths of metalopalis. I made the mistake of turning back to defend and lost straightup. I then dropped a single map to both danmate and sensei so despite going 3-1 ended up behind myuu on map score and didn't go through. erk. Means I need to pwn this sunday at Cityhunter to ensure my seed into the pro bracket. I plan to win it so should be fine.



So emo yet so awesome

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Thanks for reading the blog guys hope it amused. My twitter and facebook and stream are in my signature so check em out if you wanna see more of my play etc.

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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5327 Posts
March 20 2012 14:52 GMT
#2
So i'm confused as to why the internet is so bad. I hear that its terrible and that their is some sort of monopoly but don't get why the internet sucks such shit :/.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Akinokaze
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia278 Posts
March 20 2012 14:59 GMT
#3
That awkward moment when you have better ping to NA than SEA, I feel you bro :r Don't have Optus as an ISP by any chance?
In the Emperor we trust
PiGStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia945 Posts
March 20 2012 15:04 GMT
#4
On March 20 2012 23:59 Akinokaze wrote:
That awkward moment when you have better ping to NA than SEA, I feel you bro :r Don't have Optus as an ISP by any chance?


Haha actually edited it so it's clear the internet was even worse to the other servers! Ideally I'd be practicing on Korea
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Mazaire
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 15:09:46
March 20 2012 15:06 GMT
#5
On March 20 2012 23:52 docvoc wrote:
So i'm confused as to why the internet is so bad. I hear that its terrible and that their is some sort of monopoly but don't get why the internet sucks such shit :/.


i'm sorry but, HAHAHAHAHAHA

But alright, we use a thin piece of copper wire to connect the the rest of the world, the average speed in Australia is about 1200KBPS and our ping is shocking, as in, i am with a company called optus and my internet is routed to you guys (westcoast exchange) then back to japan, then though Indonesia , to the SEA servers, the best ping i ever get is about 400 - 500 on the SEA servers

KR servers about 600-200 and NA about 300 again.

shit sucks.

Telstra are the guys with the monopoly and we are stuck with copper wire until the NBN (network upgrade to fiber optics). by which stage (it will take 30 years to roll out and about 50billion, don't quote me on the dollars) 100mbps will be terrible and useless.

So yeah. Its one of the reasons its been so hard for e-sports in australia to take off. for me at least there is no point in buying a pass to something like MLG or dreamhack (probably GOM though) because my internet is so bad. i mean, i would, if i had the internet to support it.


Edit: i need to get around to getting a lesson off you pig, i am so bad at the moment >.>
"No matter what event you go to there are so many koreans, like a swarm. Even if you beat three or four, there are like 10 others waiting." - Socke
jupidar
Profile Joined December 2010
United States225 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 15:25:15
March 20 2012 15:24 GMT
#6
most aus people i know have insane bandwidth caps too. i have never been capped in my life. im sure if i used an insane amount of bandwidth it would eventually get capped, but i have never experienced it.
MaV_gGSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1306 Posts
March 20 2012 16:45 GMT
#7
I have worse internet than you so I feel really bad...
Life's good :D
Billd
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada208 Posts
March 20 2012 19:39 GMT
#8
Hey! I'm moving to Melbourne next year for school. I've been looking into Internet options. I noticed Telstra seemed to have the fastest packages at comparable prices to the other companies.

You mentioned they are the monopoly? I'm from Canada and experience the same sort of problem with a couple companies but the monopolies here deliver the best service. How is Telstra?

Thanks!!
@BilldSC I tweet about all things Starcraft 2!
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1612 Posts
March 20 2012 21:43 GMT
#9
Yes.... yes it does.
No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
Asrathiel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Australia377 Posts
March 20 2012 23:03 GMT
#10
On March 21 2012 00:06 Mazaire wrote:
So yeah. Its one of the reasons its been so hard for e-sports in australia to take off. for me at least there is no point in buying a pass to something like MLG or dreamhack (probably GOM though) because my internet is so bad. i mean, i would, if i had the internet to support it.


Yeah, that... I can't even watch 240p streams without super lag, and I'm out of the city and up a mountain, so mine's worse than lots of others in Aus :/

It suuuuuuuuuuucks
for science... you monster
Arterial
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1039 Posts
March 20 2012 23:20 GMT
#11
I can sometimes watch 480p streams.....sometimes.
Otherwise it has to be 360p with the occasional buffer.

savior & jaedong
Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
March 20 2012 23:55 GMT
#12
Hi PiG - I'm also in Sydney and get ~140ms KR, ~160ms NA, ~125ms SEA.

What ISP do you use and how far away are you from the exchange? These variables have a massive impact on what your latency will be.
PiGStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia945 Posts
March 21 2012 00:40 GMT
#13
Hey Netsky,

Your pings are actually some of the fastest I've heard of.

Normally I get ~170ms Kr, ~200 NA, ~140 SEA.

I think the exchange is pretty close like within 500m or 1km max. I'm with Netspace, which essentially is iinet. Upgrading router in the next few days to make sure that its not causing trouble.

But basically it's a matter of the internet here being prone to bouts of massive lag and retardation that drives me up the wall! Like many companies I've been with in the past would say their plan has no cap, and conveniently cut your bandwidth down to 1/2 once you hit a certain data point, and then in 1/2 again when you reach another data point etc etc...

Not to mention even on a good day I never get more then 750kbps/upload streaming in high res is out of the question unless I want to pay double what I am now with Internode...
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Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 01:20:08
March 21 2012 01:17 GMT
#14
On March 21 2012 09:40 PiGStarcraft wrote:
Hey Netsky,

Your pings are actually some of the fastest I've heard of.

Normally I get ~170ms Kr, ~200 NA, ~140 SEA.

I think the exchange is pretty close like within 500m or 1km max. I'm with Netspace, which essentially is iinet. Upgrading router in the next few days to make sure that its not causing trouble.

But basically it's a matter of the internet here being prone to bouts of massive lag and retardation that drives me up the wall! Like many companies I've been with in the past would say their plan has no cap, and conveniently cut your bandwidth down to 1/2 once you hit a certain data point, and then in 1/2 again when you reach another data point etc etc...

Not to mention even on a good day I never get more then 750kbps/upload streaming in high res is out of the question unless I want to pay double what I am now with Internode...


You are close enough to the exchange that it shouldn't be an issue. I'm not that familiar with Netspace, so it's hard to comment on the latency issues. I use iiNet in the inner city currently without any issues. Previously I have used Internode, but their connection to South Korea is very bad (SEA and NA were fine) so I had to change to iiNet.

Regarding upload, no one in Australia has good upload speeds, so that is to be expected.

If you are a professional player and it's impacting your practice I would just change ISPs, although without knowing exactly where the problem(s) lie it cannot be guaranteed that it will fix the latency.
khaydarin9
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia423 Posts
March 21 2012 01:33 GMT
#15
On March 21 2012 04:39 Billd wrote:
Hey! I'm moving to Melbourne next year for school. I've been looking into Internet options. I noticed Telstra seemed to have the fastest packages at comparable prices to the other companies.

You mentioned they are the monopoly? I'm from Canada and experience the same sort of problem with a couple companies but the monopolies here deliver the best service. How is Telstra?

Thanks!!


It's a monopoly in that all the other companies, including Optus, are basically reselling Telstra lines.

I've had three internet connections set up in the last year (moved 8 times, wtf), and every time I've gone back to research, I ended up at Internode, which seemed to have good speeds and good service, though their quota packages are not as great as they used to be. Optus has a promising naked DSL plan iirc, but it's only available on a 24 month contract and the cancellation fee is beastly.

If you end up going with mobile internet, for whatever reason, be prepared to have crap reception in major areas, though for what it's worth, I've spent a considerable amount of time playing SC2 tethered to my mobile phone.
Be safe, Woo Jung Ho <3
Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1196 Posts
March 21 2012 01:50 GMT
#16
Holy shit, what a time warp! I used to love that song from Gran Turismo 2. Used it in a UT2K3 promo video aaaaaaages ago!
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6115 Posts
March 21 2012 02:59 GMT
#17
Yeah, Australia is a backward country in terms of internet.

I'm with the iinet ISP (one of the better ones as well) and we have download quotas. If we exceed these quotas our internet gets throttled to an unusable speed.

The quota is 50GB/50GB, peak/off-peak usage respectively for AUD70 per month, where off-peak is defined as between 2am - 8am (not useful but at least I can schedule downloads during that time). iinet has recently upgraded where the quota is 100GB for the month (i.e. no more peak/off-peak) but uploads and downloads are counted towards the quota.

Fortunately for me, my mum doesn't use much internet, so I can piggyback using her account. I live by myself, but I'm able to use her account in my own house (discovered this by accident). Recently (today), I've upgraded her 50GB/50GB plan to the 200GB one! No more quota troubles for me for a long time.

However, our latency is terrible - basically, sometimes it can be difficult to watch streams. For instance, I can watch GSL HQ most of the time but sometimes the latency is bad and need to downgrade to SQ.
zOula...
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States898 Posts
March 21 2012 03:15 GMT
#18
Wow, feeling sorry for all you aussies I cant imagine having crappy internet. I get pissed off whenever a video lags or buffers, it would be terrible to have this happen all the time Hang in there, I guess the technology just isnt there yet
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6925 Posts
March 21 2012 03:23 GMT
#19
Optus has been really bad recently. Struggle with 240p bw stream...
Philipd122
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia770 Posts
March 21 2012 07:17 GMT
#20
I don't always play starcraft, but when I do I get disconnected every 3 or so games T_T. I seriously quit ladder just because I rage at my TPG net.

But then again, it's $30/month for unlimited. >.>

The most frustrating thing is I can watch live 720p streams yet it won't sustain 1 hour of smooth starcraft T_T.
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