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achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
March 11 2012 16:35 GMT
#1
I have played sc2 alot since I bought it about two weeks after release, and 97% of that time has been playing zerg. Now I feel like playing zerg all the time is getting to be a bit boring, so I would love to learn another race (doesn't really matter if it's terran or toss), and if I don't play zerg all the time, my rage level from ZvZs are going to be a lot lower as well.
I decided to make this into a project, to learn another race and ladder 1day with toss, and the next day with zerg etc, and post my daily replays in case any of you would like to see them (and who knows, maybe even learn something :o ). Another reason for this switch is that toss is a lot more all-in based (don't hate please) and has some goddamn strong allins, or even fast 3base. If you manage to hold you will win (on my level )

So, I am a diamond level player with zerg, and my mechanics are pretty decent, and I was hoping some of you good tosses out there could just throw up some basic toss openers for PvT and PvZ?
(I want to figure out something sick for PvP myself)

Thank you

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Unholycyclone
Profile Joined November 2011
United States3 Posts
March 11 2012 19:45 GMT
#2
I am a high platinum toss player. I like doing a 1 gate fast expand against terran. You have to be weary of the 1-1-1, but with good scouting you should be fine. Against zerg you can either go forge fast expand or 3 gate expand and be pretty safe. I find though, that unless you have very crisp timings, the forge fast expand is hard to do effectively, where the 3 gate expand into pressure make the zerg be more cautious to take a quick 3rd.

Just my 2 cents to hopefully help you on your quest!
MaV_gGSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1345 Posts
March 11 2012 20:06 GMT
#3
If you'd like, you can follow my stream as I do live commentary on my mindset playing in the lower leagues. I'm a high master and I'm using my friend's plat account to show people how to execute builds and how to read your opponent. I play terran btw.
I also show how to properly execute cheese :D

Stream link: http://www.twitch.tv/mav_ggsc
If you follow my stream, you should receive notifications whenever I'm live!

Good luck
Life's good :D
achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
March 11 2012 21:00 GMT
#4
On March 12 2012 04:45 Unholycyclone wrote:
I am a high platinum toss player. I like doing a 1 gate fast expand against terran. You have to be weary of the 1-1-1, but with good scouting you should be fine. Against zerg you can either go forge fast expand or 3 gate expand and be pretty safe. I find though, that unless you have very crisp timings, the forge fast expand is hard to do effectively, where the 3 gate expand into pressure make the zerg be more cautious to take a quick 3rd.

Just my 2 cents to hopefully help you on your quest!

FFE is not a problem for me usually, just vs some roach all-ins and that stuff. Thank you though

On March 12 2012 05:06 MaV_gGSC wrote:
If you'd like, you can follow my stream as I do live commentary on my mindset playing in the lower leagues. I'm a high master and I'm using my friend's plat account to show people how to execute builds and how to read your opponent. I play terran btw.
I also show how to properly execute cheese :D

Stream link: http://www.twitch.tv/mav_ggsc
If you follow my stream, you should receive notifications whenever I'm live!

Good luck

Sure, I can check your stream
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