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I can easily say that the majority of the SC2 community wants to be a pro-gamer or just wants to improve. I don't see a problem with that, specially because that's what makes the game grow faster than a casual game (LoL/HoN and DotA if icefrog decides to balance game based on pubs).
I'm just gonna make a pros/cons chart to show my point. I love charts.
So what are the Pros of having a community that is a "Pro gamer wanna be"?
-Streamers and Day9 gets money
-Shoutcasts (aka official tournaments) gets lots of watchers. Just like football
-Game grows faster
Cons:
-Kids will try to be a pro gamer instead of doing something useful in life. They will waste 2 years of their lives trying to play SC2 as a job.
-The above is controversial, at the same time idra makes his living off of kids watching his stream, people can compete in SC2 as a hobbie, just like chess players do.
The problem is, you can't get the best of the game unless you are really really good. I'm just gonna say it: I hate starcraft 2, I don't like the engine. Graphics, units are too fancy for me. I play it because of the always competing community. What concerns me is that maybe sometime the game will die. The kids will realize that they wanting to play sc2 as a job was just an illusion, then they will stop watching streams (which you cannot watch for fun. Quality is shit, and it gets boring, you cant watch it like it was a movie).
TL;DL + Sum up
The message I want to pass to you guys is that at some point the streams and the daily will die. If you want SC2 to be seen as an sport, to be watched on TV, you gotta support MLG. The casters, the high level gaming and the quality (not just the video resolution, but the production) is what will keep the game alive. Once the pro-players wanna be give up, diamond and bronze leagues will vanish. Those will instead watch high level games on TV/Barcrafts, and the players that really want to compete will be all masters-grand masters.
 
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I'm not seeing the chart good sir.
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I mean table
Damn you language barrier
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What? Yes.. majority of people want to be progamers... or improve.
Sorry, Idra doesn't make his living off of streaming.
And what makes you think all the viewers of streams want to be progamers/be better? There are a lot of casual players and people who don't even play SC that watch SCII.
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Is that really true?
Yes, a lot of the community is focused on improving. That's the nature of strategy games... you see the same thing in chess, for example. Doesn't mean that we all want to become progamers.
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this is so wrong I really dont even know where to start.....I watch streams just to watch them for entertainment and tourneys.... do you really think people could make money off of this game if nobody likes to watch the games???
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On March 09 2012 20:33 Kipsate wrote:
You base this on what?
I concur, you name consequences that you will believe will happen but base it on nothing other than your personal feelings/beliefs/nostalgiagoggles/whatever.
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Speaking about the cons you mentioned:
You better already have a job, and only if you have sucess in winning tournaments in sc2, then switch to pro and quit your job. In other words, trying to be a pro should be an optional alternative and not your main job as long as you're not really high level already.
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There have always been people thinking they're going to be the next "professional" at anything, be it sports, business, or celebrity. There is absolutely no harm in people spending reasonable amounts of time dedicated to improving at something they enjoy, but deluding yourself into spending excess time doing ANYTHING is harmful. It just happens that some people choose to ignore reality via Starcraft.
Side note, am I the only one who doesn't want esports to become mainstream? Everything that is hugely popular is that way because the vast majority of people want cheap, mindless entertainment. People seem all too willing to concede the difficult/interesting/complicated aspects of the game we love just to gain a measure of social approval. Love what you love and ignore people who think you're strange or weird; don't bastardize your passion to impress them.
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clearly you were not around for bw
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On March 10 2012 02:29 Divinek wrote:
clearly you were not around for bw
I wasn't. But I belive there were no "bronze" players trying to be professional gamers.
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Yes. That one thread proves there are a ton of pro-player wannabe's like lol who cares anyway?
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Day[9] Daily will never die, burn the heretic!
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And one more MLG fanboy out there that wants to convince people that eSports will die if they don't buy MLG PPV ...
There are probably a lot of people that want to compete but that doesn't mean that everyone will sacrifice 2 years of their lives to become a pro player. Maybe 1% of the cummunity will and those are people that are probably already in high Masters league.
Even if that were true, I don't see the link between "the supposed problem" of every community member becoming a pro and MLG ...
If you think that every player in Bronze that posts a two liner on Team Liquid about becomming a pro will quit school for 2 years because he wants to become a pro, I think you're clearly naïve.
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The problem with your initial assumption is that you cannot know for a fact that the majority of the SC2 community "wants to be a progamer" or "just wants to improve".
You just seem to be projecting your own opinion onto that of the "SC2 community". I might believe your claims if you had data or this alleged "chart" that you speak of.
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OP's reasoning has too may flaws. A majority of SC2 community wants to be pro-gamers? If someone doesn't become a progamer he will stop watching streams? If you want to support esports the only way is to support MLG?
"I can easily say" is the beginning of most failing arguments. You've gotta support your conclusions.
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One of the glaring flaws in your logic and using random threads to "prove" your point is that of course the manics are the ones voicing their dreams of becoming a "progamer." You hardly see anyone (there are a few examples) posting "hey, I'm not trying to be a progamer! I don't want to be one at all, isn't that exciting?!" not because there are none but because there's no reason to.
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We get it OP, you don't like streams.
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It's kind of like how everyone basketball player aspires to be in the NBA. There's nothing wrong with. If anything, it will increase the general skill level which is good!
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