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hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 03:29:21
February 16 2012 02:34 GMT
#1
The dude knows what he is talking about. FXOBoss agrees, and so does Alex from EG. These dudes seem like the same figures you see in higher ups in other companies because they (as in the superiors you see the IT companies you work at, or the fast food, or any type of business that is not Esports) care about their respective industries. When you work as a manager in fast food, you care about fast food because you have to motivate the people below you. In order to that, you have to become creative in your ideas, and do what others are not trying.

The way I think about this whole situation, and this metaphor works the best for me, think of one maybe you can associate to your self. The way I see it is that money is your form of voting. Every business you give your money to, you're essentially saying (if it's for the first time) "You make an interesting point, I'll try it" or (if you've bought from them before) "I tried what you did, and you followed through. I'll try i again."

Now, it's up to you to decide if MLG has not done this, and I'm not saying that exactly how I have phrased it is exactly how it is. What I'm saying is that if you known that you have these memories of weekends when you were staring at the screen as Leenock defeated Naniwa, who seemed to be unbeatable after Nestea, or if you remember when Naniwa himself went undefeated through the loser's bracketer until the finals against Kiwikaki and still won, or if you remember Huk mothership rushing when this all started, you have to admit... MLG has followed through with their promise to improve.

When Sundance says "We think this is worth $20", it might be worth that. But don't think that this is the end. If this fails, he'll come back and prove that if it's not $20, then what is it. And if that's the case, how many are willing to put their money where their mouth is? You decide.


TL;DR - If at $20 a person, enough people say yes, then it is $20. If it's not, that's fine. Everyone needs to stop being so explosive with things like "Omg, MLG is trying to rob us." I'm of course exaggerating, but so are you. If you don't support it, just say that, but don't think that Sundance is just going to laugh at us and say "I'm not going to try to help."







Oh wow. I sound like a total Nazi.... hahahaha. What I meant was that Hitler used Jews as the reason for the failed economy in Germany. I'm not saying what he did was right. I'm just saying the there was a down economy, while Voldemort used a memory of a single person to give him his motivation.


I got high and drunk before I wrote that. Not saying that I'm more hateful when under the impression either, but instead I was suggesting that the level of hate people are giving Sundance make it sound like he's a supremely evil being.. Seeing how Hitler is the most evil I could think of in reality, I was suggesting that the hate people were giving Sundance was past reality, and in a fantasy realm.

TL;DR - My metaphor was suppose to show the level of hate, not to say that EG is Hitler. Or anyone else was Hitler.

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A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
KingFool
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada428 Posts
February 16 2012 02:40 GMT
#2
Alex said he supported the notion of PPV, even though it is a negative picture for teams due to less sponsor exposure. He however suggested that the amount MLG was asking for was unreasonable and suggested alternative.
Stimin myself on a daily basis
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
February 16 2012 02:42 GMT
#3
I think the main thing is that 20 dollars is a little much, coming straight after free tournaments last year. I think 5 or 10 dollars would be a better middle ground that many more people would be ok with paying.
hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
February 16 2012 02:43 GMT
#4
On February 16 2012 11:40 KingFool wrote:
Alex said he supported the notion of PPV, even though it is a negative picture for teams due to less sponsor exposure. He however suggested that the amount MLG was asking for was unreasonable and suggested alternative.


Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Don't turn into an angry mob, because from the sounds of it, people think that evil geniuses is the Hitler to Esports. Like he's going to exterminate all of us all at once, and just laugh manically. Hell, that's beyond Hitler. That's like Voldemort level. Hitler at least a legit reason, Voldemort just hated his mother because she was a muggle.

Not point at you specifically KingFool, because from your statement, you're simply repeating what others have said. I'm just saying people should calm the fuck down. We don't need to explode.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 16 2012 02:45 GMT
#5
Problem is, a lot of people are saying that $20 is too much, including Alex of EG. I think MLG should have the right to make money through PPV if they want to, but I do not like the way that Gold Members are getting the short end of the stick.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 02:54:39
February 16 2012 02:54 GMT
#6
I think if he turned right now and said "okay, its for gold members only no free stream" he would immediately get tons of gold passes. But i'm no esports manager.
Moliere
Profile Joined February 2011
51 Posts
February 16 2012 03:09 GMT
#7
On February 16 2012 11:43 hoby2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 11:40 KingFool wrote:
Alex said he supported the notion of PPV, even though it is a negative picture for teams due to less sponsor exposure. He however suggested that the amount MLG was asking for was unreasonable and suggested alternative.


Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Don't turn into an angry mob, because from the sounds of it, people think that evil geniuses is the Hitler to Esports. Like he's going to exterminate all of us all at once, and just laugh manically. Hell, that's beyond Hitler. That's like Voldemort level. Hitler at least a legit reason, Voldemort just hated his mother because she was a muggle.
I'm sorry, what?
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 03:14:58
February 16 2012 03:14 GMT
#8
On February 16 2012 11:43 hoby2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 11:40 KingFool wrote:
Alex said he supported the notion of PPV, even though it is a negative picture for teams due to less sponsor exposure. He however suggested that the amount MLG was asking for was unreasonable and suggested alternative.


Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Don't turn into an angry mob, because from the sounds of it, people think that evil geniuses is the Hitler to Esports. Like he's going to exterminate all of us all at once, and just laugh manically. Hell, that's beyond Hitler. That's like Voldemort level. Hitler at least a legit reason, Voldemort just hated his mother because she was a muggle.

Not point at you specifically KingFool, because from your statement, you're simply repeating what others have said. I'm just saying people should calm the fuck down. We don't need to explode.


Don't call EG the Hitler of Esports. If you cannot tell that they are only adopting the "bad-boy" persona and not actually psychopaths bent on killing millions of people, then you can expect a very negative response from people.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Gofarman
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada648 Posts
February 16 2012 03:15 GMT
#9
I'm buying, I also support Sundance.
hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 03:29:00
February 16 2012 03:16 GMT
#10
On February 16 2012 12:09 Moliere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 11:43 hoby2000 wrote:
On February 16 2012 11:40 KingFool wrote:
Alex said he supported the notion of PPV, even though it is a negative picture for teams due to less sponsor exposure. He however suggested that the amount MLG was asking for was unreasonable and suggested alternative.


Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Don't turn into an angry mob, because from the sounds of it, people think that evil geniuses is the Hitler to Esports. Like he's going to exterminate all of us all at once, and just laugh manically. Hell, that's beyond Hitler. That's like Voldemort level. Hitler at least a legit reason, Voldemort just hated his mother because she was a muggle.
I'm sorry, what?




Oh wow. I sound like a total Nazi.... hahahaha. What I meant was that Hitler used Jews as the reason for the failed economy in Germany. I'm not saying what he did was right. I'm just saying the there was a down economy, while Voldemort used a memory of a single person to give him his motivation.


I got high and drunk before I wrote that. Not saying that I'm more hateful when under the impression either, but instead I was suggesting that the level of hate people are giving Sundance make it sound like he's a supremely evil being.. Seeing how Hitler is the most evil I could think of in reality, I was suggesting that the hate people were giving Sundance was past reality, and in a fantasy realm.

TL;DR - My metaphor was suppose to show the level of hate, not to say that EG is Hitler. Or anyone else was Hitler.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
February 16 2012 04:09 GMT
#11
On February 16 2012 12:16 hoby2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 12:09 Moliere wrote:
On February 16 2012 11:43 hoby2000 wrote:
On February 16 2012 11:40 KingFool wrote:
Alex said he supported the notion of PPV, even though it is a negative picture for teams due to less sponsor exposure. He however suggested that the amount MLG was asking for was unreasonable and suggested alternative.


Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Don't turn into an angry mob, because from the sounds of it, people think that evil geniuses is the Hitler to Esports. Like he's going to exterminate all of us all at once, and just laugh manically. Hell, that's beyond Hitler. That's like Voldemort level. Hitler at least a legit reason, Voldemort just hated his mother because she was a muggle.
I'm sorry, what?




Oh wow. I sound like a total Nazi.... hahahaha. What I meant was that Hitler used Jews as the reason for the failed economy in Germany. I'm not saying what he did was right. I'm just saying the there was a down economy, while Voldemort used a memory of a single person to give him his motivation.


I got high and drunk before I wrote that. Not saying that I'm more hateful when under the impression either, but instead I was suggesting that the level of hate people are giving Sundance make it sound like he's a supremely evil being.. Seeing how Hitler is the most evil I could think of in reality, I was suggesting that the hate people were giving Sundance was past reality, and in a fantasy realm.

TL;DR - My metaphor was suppose to show the level of hate, not to say that EG is Hitler. Or anyone else was Hitler.


lol then you vastly underestimate the level of hitler hate. LOLOLOLOLOL
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
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