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achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 16:13:01
February 01 2012 13:59 GMT
#1
So, I screwed up the last math post of mine pretty badly, so I wish to redeem myself. But first I want to say something about why I love math so much.
I love math because I think it is the only "true" language, the one that doesn't have room for interpretations or misunderstanding (unless the reader is doing it wrong), and that it defines pretty much everything, except maybe emotions and stuff like that. And I like it because everything is so logical, maybe not if you don't understand it, but when you do everything is so obvious and you blame yourself for not seeing it before. Just my opinion
(These questions are from my latest math test, they are not very hard/advanced, but I will go to the advanced math class next year so please, don't hate if you think the problems are easy)
1.
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The value of a car decreases with 19.5% every year. The car's value in 2005 was 280 000NOK, it was a new car in 2003.

a) Find the growth factor (I don't know if that is the correct english word for it)
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1-0.195=0.805

b) What was the value of the car in 2007?
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V(x)=280000*0.805^x
V(2)=280000*0.805^2
V(2)=181447~=180400NOK

c) What did the car cost in 2003?
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V(-2)=280000*0.805^-2
V(-2)=432082~=432100NOK


2.
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Nadia and Tor(Thor is here!) are members of a movieclub. Nadia goes to 70% of the meetings, and independent of her, Tor goes to 60% of the same meetings.

a) What's the chance of Nadia going to a meeting that Tor doesn't go to?
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A=Nadia shows up, Tor doesn't.
P(A)=(1-P(Tor shows up))*P(Nadia shows up)
P(A)=(4/10)*(7/10)
P(A)=7/25=28%

b) What is the probability of none going to the same a meeting?
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B=None of them shows up
P(B)=(1-P(Tor shows up))*(1-P(Nadia shows up))
P(B)=(4/10)*(3/10)
P(B)=3/25=12%

Three meetings were arranged in January

c) What is the probability for Nadia going to all three meetings?
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C=Nadia shows up at all three meetings
P(C)=(7/10)^3
P(C)=343/1000=34.3%

d) What is the probability for both of them going to all three meetings?
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D=Tor goes to all three meetings
P(D)=(6/10)^3
P(D)=27/125=21.6%
P(C union D)=P(C)*P(D)
P(C union D)=0.343*0.216
P(C union D)=0.074=7.4%


3.
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The students at a school are arranging a christmas ball. The students rent a building and a local band that will play. The expenses are 10 000NOK, in addition there is food and drinks for the students which comes out at 120NOK per student.


a) How much will the ball cost of 100 stundents come, and how much will it cost per student?
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K(x)=10000+120x
K(100)=10000+120*100
K(100)=22000NOK

b) We'll say that x amount of students attends, and we say that the combined expenses per student is E(x). Show that E(x)=10000/x+120

To cover the expenses, the ball-commitee sets the price tag on the tickets to 200NOK.

c) How many students do the commitee count on? (That was horribly written)
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Based on the graph I made on my calculator, they are hoping that at least 120 students buy a ticket.

200 students buy tickets, the commitee decides to give the extra money to charity.

d) How much money is given to charity?
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Total expenses=10000+120*200=34000NOK
Ticket income=200*200=40000NOK
Surplus=40000-34000=6000NOK

Answers added, hope this one was more enjoyable than the last one


Random fun question (Not math related)
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What do you think this song is about?

Lyrics (from tool's own website)
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Die Eier von Satan
Eine halbe Tasse Staubzucker
Ein Viertel Teelöffel Salz
Eine Messerspitze türkisches Haschisch
Ein halbes Pfund Butter
Ein Teelöffel Vanillenzucker
Ein halbes Pfund Mehl
Einhundertfünfzig Gramm gemahlene Nüsse
Ein wenig extra Staubzucker ... und keine Eier

In eine Schüssel geben
Butter einrühren Gemahlene Nüsse zugeben und Den Teig verkneten
Augenballgroße Stücke vom Teig formen Im Staubzucker wälzen und Sagt die Zauberwörter
Simsalbimbamba Saladu Saladim
Auf ein gefettetes Backblech legen und Bei zweihundert Grad für fünfzehn Minuten backen und KEINE EIER

Bei zweihundert Grad für fünfzehn Minuten backen und Keine Eier ..


Answer
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Did you think it was a "tribute" to Hitler? Think again
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It's a cake recipe


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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45166 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 14:10:28
February 01 2012 14:09 GMT
#2
I don't really think you should be using TL as a homework resource.

But for the heck of it, 2a. is 70%.

Nadia's probability of going to a meeting is independent of Tor, so whether or not Tor goes is irrelevant. Therefore, Nadia's chances of going is still the established 70%.

Don't really feel like doing the others. Good luck.

EDIT: I don't know German...
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12621 Posts
February 01 2012 14:21 GMT
#3
maths is fun until you get to a certain level where you starts to have questions that would get illogical (or basically you are required to abandon understanding the theory and learn to just DO maths), first one in my mind was sin, cos and tan.

If you like these kind of maths, stats are more to your taste to be honest
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17020 Posts
February 01 2012 14:23 GMT
#4
I find it difficult to believe that this isn't a homework help thread.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 01 2012 14:25 GMT
#5
On February 01 2012 23:21 ETisME wrote:
maths is fun until you get to a certain level where you starts to have questions that would get illogical (or basically you are required to abandon understanding the theory and learn to just DO maths), first one in my mind was sin, cos and tan.

If you like these kind of maths, stats are more to your taste to be honest

sin, cos and tan make perfect sense
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8091 Posts
February 01 2012 14:27 GMT
#6
On February 01 2012 23:21 ETisME wrote:
maths is fun until you get to a certain level where you starts to have questions that would get illogical (or basically you are required to abandon understanding the theory and learn to just DO maths), first one in my mind was sin, cos and tan.

If you like these kind of maths, stats are more to your taste to be honest

Whats hard to understand about the concepts?
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Iranon
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States983 Posts
February 01 2012 14:28 GMT
#7
On February 01 2012 23:21 ETisME wrote:
maths is fun until you get to a certain level where you starts to have questions that would get illogical (or basically you are required to abandon understanding the theory and learn to just DO maths), first one in my mind was sin, cos and tan.

If you like these kind of maths, stats are more to your taste to be honest


What? Math is boring until you get to a certain level where you start to have questions that aren't intuitively obvious or routine arithmetic... You don't really have any idea what mathematics is if trig functions are something incomprehensible that must be learned as rote symbolic manipulation.
Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
February 01 2012 14:28 GMT
#8
^ I was just about to say that.

While I agree that at some point math gets... philosophical; sin, cos and tan is not it. Just go for physics major if you want to be able to relate your math to concrete problems.
imweakless
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
757 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 14:35:13
February 01 2012 14:34 GMT
#9
im pretty bad in math bbut here it goes..
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1a. i dont understand this question
1b.181622.5
1c.399847

2a. 70
2b. 35%??
3a. 22000,220
3b.
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achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
February 01 2012 14:35 GMT
#10
On February 01 2012 23:23 Empyrean wrote:
I find it difficult to believe that this isn't a homework help thread.

It was a math test we had, it has already been graded so even if it was a homework help thread it would be too late to do anything about it^^
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
February 01 2012 14:39 GMT
#11
This isn't math this is arithmetic
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Oracle
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada411 Posts
February 01 2012 14:47 GMT
#12
On February 01 2012 23:21 ETisME wrote:
maths is fun until you get to a certain level where you starts to have questions that would get illogical (or basically you are required to abandon understanding the theory and learn to just DO maths), first one in my mind was sin, cos and tan.

If you like these kind of maths, stats are more to your taste to be honest


I agree... like the axiom of choice and the Banach-Tarski paradox
Oxygen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada3581 Posts
February 01 2012 14:47 GMT
#13
On February 01 2012 23:21 ETisME wrote:
maths is fun until you get to a certain level where you starts to have questions that would get illogical (or basically you are required to abandon understanding the theory and learn to just DO maths), first one in my mind was sin, cos and tan.

If you like these kind of maths, stats are more to your taste to be honest


Are you sure you know the basic operations of mathematics? Addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, and modular forms!
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achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
February 01 2012 15:00 GMT
#14
On February 01 2012 23:21 ETisME wrote:
maths is fun until you get to a certain level where you starts to have questions that would get illogical (or basically you are required to abandon understanding the theory and learn to just DO maths), first one in my mind was sin, cos and tan.

If you like these kind of maths, stats are more to your taste to be honest

Sin, cos and tan are not illogical at all. They have an explanation/proof (IDK what th english word for this is), so IMO they are completely logical.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 15:03:07
February 01 2012 15:02 GMT
#15
http://www.maa.org/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf

Try that if you want to read an essay about how great math is, and how math education is designed to stamp out a love for the art of math.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
February 01 2012 15:03 GMT
#16
On February 01 2012 23:39 Caller wrote:
This isn't math this is arithmetic

That statement makes no sense to me, because if you use numbers to find other number I call it math.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45166 Posts
February 01 2012 15:13 GMT
#17
On February 01 2012 23:39 Caller wrote:
This isn't math this is arithmetic


Arithmetic is a subset of math so... >.>
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Nehsb
Profile Joined May 2009
United States380 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 15:16:47
February 01 2012 15:14 GMT
#18
On February 01 2012 23:47 Oracle wrote:
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On February 01 2012 23:21 ETisME wrote:
maths is fun until you get to a certain level where you starts to have questions that would get illogical (or basically you are required to abandon understanding the theory and learn to just DO maths), first one in my mind was sin, cos and tan.

If you like these kind of maths, stats are more to your taste to be honest


I agree... like the axiom of choice and the Banach-Tarski paradox


What? Banach-Tarski is awesome

And you still have to understand the theory, it's just harder to.

EDIT: Arithmetic is math, just not very interesting math IMO. I completely disagree with what I quoted, because IMO, math doesn't get interesting until you have to investigate questions not doable by a computer.
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
February 01 2012 15:20 GMT
#19
I found:

1 - 0,195 = 0.805 = 80,5%

2007 -> 225.400 - (225.400 x 0,195) = 181.447 NOK
2006 -> 280.000 - (280.000 x 0,195) = 225.400 NOK
2005 -> 280.000 NOK
2004 -> (280.000 x 0,195) + 280.000 = 334.600 NOK
2003 -> (334.600 x 0,195) + 334.600 = 399.847 NOK

1.a) 80,5%
1.b) 181.477 NOK
1.c) 399.847 NOK

What did I do wrong? oO
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45166 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 15:31:02
February 01 2012 15:24 GMT
#20
OP, your 2a is wrong as I explained before. Conditional probability doesn't work in that way because the two events are independent. The second event isn't conditioned on the first.

It's like saying, "I have a six-sided die and a coin. If I roll a 4 first, what's the chance of me flipping heads?" It's still 1/2. It doesn't change just because you roll the die in a certain way.

You didn't ask what the chance of Tor not going to a meeting *and* Nadia going to meeting is simultaneously (in that case, you would carry out the calculation the same way you did). The wording (particularly the "If") makes it a different question.

Nadia's probability of going to a meeting is independent of Tor, so whether or not Tor goes is irrelevant when deciding if Nadia goes. Therefore, Nadia's chances of going is still the established 70%. You don't need to include Tor's chance of not going, because- as was explicitly written in the instructions- the two events (Tor going and Nadia going) are independent events.

If it was slightly reworded as "What's the chance of Tor not going *and* Nadia going to the same meeting", then it would be .4 * .7 = .28.

Hope that helps
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