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iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
December 01 2011 07:05 GMT
#21
I like Gretorp. There are just too many effing games and I agree with the w/o and vod situations. It just lost its excitement factor as THAT big NA tourney from before.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14210 Posts
December 01 2011 07:20 GMT
#22
I'm surprised HON hasn't been bought up at all in this blog. I being a lol player really hated it and I wonder what other people thought of nasl picking it up.
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marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
December 01 2011 07:21 GMT
#23
I agree 100%. I actually enjoyed the latter weeks of Season 1 (with no technical difficulties) a lot more, and it was my preferred entertainment for the evening, as I found Incontrol and gretorp to be an excellent combo.

I'm not entirely sure as to why, but now NASL is completely unwatchable for me. I mean, they don't have tech issues, the show is basically flawless in execution. It's just the actual content.

From here, I can do nothing but mirror the reasons you have given in your OP. Well said.
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Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
December 01 2011 07:44 GMT
#24
I'm still waiting for unprecedented production value.

Seriously, I wouldn't start an Airline and say it's going to be the premier Airline in the world, especially if I had never run one.

But yes, commentary is also a decent reason not to watch. I don't watch GSL anymore because it's anyone's guess when Tastosis will and will not be there.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
danzhang
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada184 Posts
December 01 2011 07:50 GMT
#25
I agree with all of these points. Regular season is just too boring with absolutely no production value.
IMMVP
Vortigan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark306 Posts
December 01 2011 08:13 GMT
#26
I've never taken the time to fully understand the format. Nor should it be necessary to do so.

Whenever i watch a NASL game (which is not very often) I have no idea what stage of the tournament they are in and what's on the line. Most of the time I feel like i'm not even watching a tourney.

But I really don't wanna put up MLG or DH up on some pedestal either with all that commercial downtime and such. Shit is just crazy. For me the only really good league is IPL (I don't watch GSL so can't comment on that)
TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
December 01 2011 08:56 GMT
#27
every reason you posted is why i have only ever watched like maybe 3 days of NASL.

NASL to me is just a title of threads i look in to see what players are winning games and what players arent.

really hoping something happens in the future to make NASL better then it currently is.
Forever ZeNEX.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
December 01 2011 09:14 GMT
#28
What i have heard and read, this blog sounds very accurate and i completely agree with you.

Never liked the broadcasting style NASL had nor the commentators. InControl was great in season 1, even though i didn't watch much at all. Finals were great, despite the problems they had. Haven't watched a single cast this season, so i don't know what is really going on. Broadcasting seems to be the same as season 1, which makes me not a fan as i said earlier. I will be watching the finals though, and i will tune in for the finals next season.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33701 Posts
December 01 2011 10:35 GMT
#29
I think it's unfair to say Gretorp killed NASL.

It's more accurate to say "Lack of Day9 or Tastosis kills leagues without IPL level money."
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10953 Posts
December 01 2011 10:57 GMT
#30
On December 01 2011 16:21 marttorn wrote:
I agree 100%. I actually enjoyed the latter weeks of Season 1 (with no technical difficulties) a lot more, and it was my preferred entertainment for the evening, as I found Incontrol and gretorp to be an excellent combo.

I'm not entirely sure as to why, but now NASL is completely unwatchable for me. I mean, they don't have tech issues, the show is basically flawless in execution. It's just the actual content.

From here, I can do nothing but mirror the reasons you have given in your OP. Well said.



This...
I really liked season 1, even while there where errors but now i just don't care anymore. I couldn't give a shit about the lack of koreans but the game just feel "pointless" to me...
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-01 11:10:52
December 01 2011 11:09 GMT
#31
On December 01 2011 19:35 Waxangel wrote:
I think it's unfair to say Gretorp killed NASL.

It's more accurate to say "Lack of Day9 or Tastosis kills leagues without IPL level money."


IPL's casters are great to(and not Day9 or Tastosis). Dont know why you think that IPL's lvl of money matters. I have almost not seen a single " i dont watch IPL b/c of X-caster" post.

And what i mean is, I think its fair to have Gretorp as a part of the list, since IPL clearly have shown that there are good casters other then Daytasteosis.
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
December 01 2011 12:53 GMT
#32
On December 01 2011 19:35 Waxangel wrote:
I think it's unfair to say Gretorp killed NASL.

It's more accurate to say "Lack of Day9 or Tastosis kills leagues without IPL level money."

I suppose I should clarify that I'm not arguing why NASL is dead -- which it isn't. I'm just saying what I quit watching. And I really don't think that it was a lack of Tier 1 commentators that did me in, either, because I love lzgamer and orb, and I loved almost every guest commentator from season 1.

But I think you're right that the presence of Day[9]/Tastosis is beginning to define the difference between the highest tier leagues and everything below.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Vortigan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark306 Posts
December 01 2011 12:59 GMT
#33
On December 01 2011 19:35 Waxangel wrote:
I think it's unfair to say Gretorp killed NASL.

It's more accurate to say "Lack of Day9 or Tastosis kills leagues without IPL level money."


am i the only one thinking that tastosis is slipping a bit. I mean, during Dreamhack all tasteless did was saying "Guys I wish I could make this more interesting for you but I think we'll see a gg soon" every F***ing game.

Artosis is still good though
ohokurwrong
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Brazil283 Posts
December 01 2011 13:17 GMT
#34
there are so many bad casters its not even funny but i wonder how much of the problem is lack of talent to pull from

i think there is for some reason this view that players make good casters and that just isnt true. yes there are players that are casters now but good at sc2 and being a caster are 2 dif things. one would think these companys would do a casting call and have TRYOUTs or something but thats why NASL isnt so popular
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
December 01 2011 13:23 GMT
#35
On December 01 2011 19:35 Waxangel wrote:
I think it's unfair to say Gretorp killed NASL.

It's more accurate to say "Lack of Day9 or Tastosis kills leagues without IPL level money."


I disagree.
scruffeh
Profile Joined November 2010
England196 Posts
December 01 2011 14:39 GMT
#36
I generally think it's a pretty good event, and it's improved since last season in my opinion. I can't comment on watching the VODs in low quality, as I've never tried, but I have a subscription, and the VOD layout and performance is better than last season. I can usually find what I want, and they usually work. Last season they would stutter a lot, and they always seemed muddled. I think this is as much to do with the streaming service, as NASL, but the process of chopping up the casts and then linking them is very clumsy.

The finals were OK last year, but the single elimination format disappointed me. It seemed like such an anti-climax to have a long season, and fly someone out to the USA (or travel across the USA) just to play one best of 3. Hopefully the BO5 format will be better this year. I do worry that they have too many casters there, it did seem that they didn't utilise Day9 and Tastosis as much as they could have done. I would definitely prefer some sort of double elimination finals. I think doing well in a long league process should give you that right, and it would mean more games to watch at the final event.

I was really gutted about Hero versus Demuslim (being from the UK and a fan of Hero as well). I definitely think that they could handle the no shows better, but I'm glad to see that these are less frequent this season. I think the NASL is improving, and will continue to subscribe.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-01 15:23:29
December 01 2011 15:19 GMT
#37
On December 01 2011 19:35 Waxangel wrote:
I think it's unfair to say Gretorp killed NASL.

It's more accurate to say "Lack of Day9 or Tastosis kills leagues without IPL level money."

Eh that's not true.
I think Orb is an excellent caster, same with TB/Apollo and Bitter/RD.

Gretorp is a caster and his job is to make the games entertaining to the audience. At some point you have to look at this objectively because he sucks at his job.

edit: There are a lot of other good casters too but don't want to take the time to list everyone out.
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
December 01 2011 15:47 GMT
#38
On December 01 2011 19:35 Waxangel wrote:
I think it's unfair to say Gretorp killed NASL.

It's more accurate to say "Lack of Day9 or Tastosis kills leagues without IPL level money."


I dunno, I mean the ESV Korean weekly ( aka Taeja's allowance) doesn't have that kinda money but I watch it regularly because the casting is decent and the games are good. The entertainment and educational value is enough to keep me hooked.

Provided the stream works I will watch anything mr.bitter and rotterdam are casting. TB/Apollo got me through that rediculous series between stephano and bratok at assembly summer.

Hell the stream is being all kinds of laggy for me and the sound is wonky but I'm watching the KSL because khaldor makes it entertaining.

I don't think the caster or casting pair kills or makes a league but I do think people are more willing to be forgiving of other flaws if at the very least the casting of the games is entertaining. NASL is flawed in many ways and for some gretorp is just the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
December 01 2011 15:49 GMT
#39
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UltimateHurl
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland591 Posts
December 01 2011 15:51 GMT
#40
The 'Time Travel' one is so major as well. Prior to eSports I'd heard sports fans describe how a recorded game had none of the magic of the live event, and didn't see why they'd care. Now I know :/
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