live does have a flare to it but i think another thing thats bad about esports is LACK of BM. bm creates drama and puts more meaning into a match. ever watch an idra mc match? guess what match is more talked about idra mc or idra ANY other toss.

its not because they are ballers its because they bm each other. when people are like "be more like sheth and whitera" i cringe because they are boring.

you cant blame this on gretorp but as casters they make the games more exciting then they actually are. this is something gretorp isnt capable of and as such the matches will always just be matches and tbh i can watch streams that have the same excitement and meaning to me all day on TL

Spicy_Curry

United States10573 Posts

December 01 2011 16:07 GMT

#42

The matches are boring because there is nothing on the line till the playoffs / finals. That is why I don't watch NASL. You cant hype the shit out of something like a 10x longer pool play from MLG. It just wont happen. I don't dislike Gretorp, I think his insight has helped me improve my game. The only thing that I don't like about him is that he tries too hard to fit a mold that he clearly doesn't need to.

Djzapz

Canada10681 Posts

December 01 2011 19:15 GMT

#43

On December 01 2011 20:09 aderum wrote:

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IPL's casters are great to(and not Day9 or Tastosis). Dont know why you think that IPL's lvl of money matters. I have almost not seen a single " i dont watch IPL b/c of X-caster" post.

And what i mean is, I think its fair to have Gretorp as a part of the list, since IPL clearly have shown that there are good casters other then Daytasteosis.

I don't get hyped about IPL the same way I get hyped about MLG, GSL or Dreamhack, and that's because of the casters. While they might be good enough for some, they bother me.

I literally mute any HDstarcraft cast, that's a given. Cats kind of annoys me, but when he's with Painuser it's decent enough. Unfortunately it's not even close to being as entertaining as Day9/Tasteless/Artosis. Can you imagine a tourney with a long season casted by some superstar casters? I'd literally watch the whole thing.

Right now I only watch IPL regular season and NASL when life REALLY sucks.

rauk

United States2228 Posts

December 01 2011 20:21 GMT

#44

On December 01 2011 19:35 Waxangel wrote:
I think it's unfair to say Gretorp killed NASL.

It's more accurate to say "Lack of Day9 or Tastosis kills leagues without IPL level money."

when he actively makes the show painful to watch, i think it's fair to say he has a decently sized hand in NASL's failure

synapse

China13814 Posts

December 01 2011 20:35 GMT

#45

I just totally forgot about NASL...

Enki

United States2548 Posts

December 01 2011 20:39 GMT

#46

I never even bothered with the 2nd season of it. The first season just had too many damn games. Who is going to watch 5 hours of SC2 games every weeknight? I won't.

That said, I will watch the finals just because it's the finals.

Chaosvuistje

Netherlands2581 Posts

December 01 2011 21:37 GMT

#47

Never really watched the NASL unless there weren't any pro Zerg streams on. Most of the time it's just not exciting.

I hope the finals will be better than the regular season, otherwise I don't see NASL sticking around for too too long.

FoeHamr

United States489 Posts

December 01 2011 21:44 GMT

#48

I watched a lot of season 1, but barely any of season 2. I don't see how you can have to many games.... there's always something to watch and the more content the better. If you don't wanna watch all the games you don't have to. Its just that i'm not gonna pay 20 bucks to get something that is given out for free elsewhere - namely HD video quality and access to VoDs. I almost payed for season 1, but I could live with 480 so I didn't - and then they lowered it to 360. To me that is unwatchable. On the otherhand, the IPL gives away free HD and access to VoDs (I havn't looked, but I think their free), they have better casters, production, and more Koreans.

I would like to watch NASL, but IPL is just better for free

I do love Gretorps casting though.

LunaSea

Luxembourg369 Posts

December 02 2011 10:47 GMT

#49

Getorp is a troll (and a bad commentator imo).

Plus he's probably the only commentator that (tryed to) commented a game while being totally baked...

DJWilma

Canada740 Posts

December 02 2011 11:43 GMT

#50

Only reason I think I stopped watching was the overload of SC2 content, I mean season 1 happened and it gave me something to tune into every night, and I loved the Gretorp iNcontroL duo. Now that SC2 content has increased so much, I find I don't look for that content anymore, I have IPL if I want that, I have so many player streams, and espeically I have iNcontroL. I hate to put a downer on Gretorp, but iNcontroL was Batman as Gretorp was Robin. I wouldn't tune into a Robin show, but Batman and Robin was the perfect combo of troll and oblivion :D

Monsen

Germany2548 Posts

December 02 2011 11:47 GMT

#51

I completely agree. I had the very discussion with my flatmate yesterday: I brought up plenty of arguments why I consider NASL subpar. He refuted every one of them. I had to admit that the production team etc. are all doing a pretty good job, that the competition is by no means lackluster... But still I felt that way, and while desperately trying to grasp the reason why I finally came down to... "yeah... Gretorp".

Games casted by him are just not enjoyable for me, and I can't even put my finger on why. They just aren't. It's not that he is less knowledgeable than other casters, his voice isn't grating to my ears (for example I can't watch Dota2 streams because Tobis screaming is driving me insane)... I don't know, there is something about his personality that just doesn't work for me. I remember when he casted HoN (the only thing I regularly watched on NASL) with Breaky and later on Breaky returned the favor in one of Gretorps SC2 casts- Not only did Breaky take over most of the stream- his enthusiasm totally worked for me and suddenly *gasp* the cast was fun.

I'm really sorry Gretorp, I know you worked hard at all of this, and I'd love for you to be rewarded for your efforts but this just isn't working.

On December 02 2011 20:43 DJWilma wrote:
I hate to put a downer on Gretorp, but iNcontroL was Batman as Gretorp was Robin. I wouldn't tune into a Robin show, but Batman and Robin was the perfect combo of troll and oblivion :D

Precisely. Gretorp just isn't an alpha caster if you will. He's ok when someone is leading with a strong voice and humor- he can contribute some insights etc. But with him in the lead... nanananananananananananananananana.