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cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 04:32:38
September 08 2011 03:56 GMT
#1
Someone stole the wheels off my bike today. They were pretty good mountain bike wheels that have a simple snap-on and snap-off... but cmon. Are you serious?

edit: LOL

Just looked up my bike. It's $1400 new. I got it from a neighbor when he moved across the country.

Really should not have been locking that up downtown. Glad it was just the wheels now.

*
SarR
Profile Joined June 2011
476 Posts
September 08 2011 03:59 GMT
#2
What do you expect me to do about it ?

User was temp banned for this post.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
September 08 2011 04:00 GMT
#3
On September 08 2011 12:59 SarR wrote:
What do you expect me to do about it ?


Solve the case obviously.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50105 Posts
September 08 2011 04:00 GMT
#4
On September 08 2011 12:59 SarR wrote:
What do you expect me to do about it ?


its a blog,don't be an ass.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
September 08 2011 04:02 GMT
#5
Mmmhm ... at least you didn't get the whole thing stolen right? Glass half full I say, but honestly who takes JUST the wheels ...
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cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
September 08 2011 04:06 GMT
#6
On September 08 2011 13:02 kOre wrote:
Mmmhm ... at least you didn't get the whole thing stolen right? Glass half full I say, but honestly who takes JUST the wheels ...


Yeah dunno. Worst part is this was the last night I was working nights - 9-4 from now on, and they were stolen around like 9 to 11 pm...

I basically need to get a lock for the wheels too now as the bike really is snap on/off wheels, and I have to lock my bike up there again as I still work there.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
September 08 2011 04:07 GMT
#7
Anyway I reported the theft to building secruity/police and apparently they have cameras around. A coworker had his bike stolen too but apparently they couldnt make out who it was on the camera. We'll see what happens.
SarR
Profile Joined June 2011
476 Posts
September 08 2011 04:08 GMT
#8
On September 08 2011 13:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 12:59 SarR wrote:
What do you expect me to do about it ?


its a blog,don't be an ass.

Its 3 sentences actually, a far cry from being a blog. Besides if little effort is placed on writing a blog, dont you think that by all thats just, the same should apply to the comments ?
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
September 08 2011 04:09 GMT
#9
On September 08 2011 13:08 SarR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 13:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On September 08 2011 12:59 SarR wrote:
What do you expect me to do about it ?


its a blog,don't be an ass.

Its 3 sentences actually, a far cry from being a blog. Besides if little effort is placed on writing a blog, dont you think that by all thats just, the same should apply to the comments ?


It's a blog about something that happened to me. I don't have to write a blog that meets your standards whatsoever. If you want to troll gtfo here before you get banned.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 08 2011 04:09 GMT
#10
That's hilariously ridiculous.
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
September 08 2011 04:10 GMT
#11
On September 08 2011 13:08 SarR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 13:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On September 08 2011 12:59 SarR wrote:
What do you expect me to do about it ?


its a blog,don't be an ass.

Its 3 sentences actually, a far cry from being a blog. Besides if little effort is placed on writing a blog, dont you think that by all thats just, the same should apply to the comments ?


What do you want him to say? Give the history of the bike and all the good times he's had with those wheels?
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
September 08 2011 04:10 GMT
#12
What kind of lock do you use? I thought regardless of whether you use the U-lock or cord it's fairly standard to lock in the front wheel too.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
SarR
Profile Joined June 2011
476 Posts
September 08 2011 04:11 GMT
#13
On September 08 2011 13:09 cz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 13:08 SarR wrote:
On September 08 2011 13:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On September 08 2011 12:59 SarR wrote:
What do you expect me to do about it ?


its a blog,don't be an ass.

Its 3 sentences actually, a far cry from being a blog. Besides if little effort is placed on writing a blog, dont you think that by all thats just, the same should apply to the comments ?


It's a blog about something that happened to me. I don't have to write a blog that meets your standards whatsoever. If you want to troll gtfo here before you get banned.

Actually, backseat moderating is an almost bannable offense. Oh and I dont have to write replys that meet your standards either
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
September 08 2011 04:11 GMT
#14
On September 08 2011 13:08 SarR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 13:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On September 08 2011 12:59 SarR wrote:
What do you expect me to do about it ?


its a blog,don't be an ass.

Its 3 sentences actually, a far cry from being a blog. Besides if little effort is placed on writing a blog, dont you think that by all thats just, the same should apply to the comments ?


That logic is so dumb. If one person makes a bad post, that doesn't mean everyone else should get free reign to shit all over the forums.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
September 08 2011 04:12 GMT
#15
On September 08 2011 13:10 Emporio wrote:
What kind of lock do you use? I thought regardless of whether you use the U-lock or cord it's fairly standard to lock in the front wheel too.


U-Lock, but only attached it to the frame. I only noticed a week ago that the wheels actually snap on/off fairly easily, and I never considered someone would steal the wheels. The bike was given to me by a neighbour when he moved, but I'm guessing it's worth $300-400+ considering it has some nice shocks.

I just remembered: the wheels have disc brakes. That probably increasing their value a lot.
SarR
Profile Joined June 2011
476 Posts
September 08 2011 04:12 GMT
#16
On September 08 2011 13:10 Dalguno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 13:08 SarR wrote:
On September 08 2011 13:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On September 08 2011 12:59 SarR wrote:
What do you expect me to do about it ?


its a blog,don't be an ass.

Its 3 sentences actually, a far cry from being a blog. Besides if little effort is placed on writing a blog, dont you think that by all thats just, the same should apply to the comments ?


What do you want him to say? Give the history of the bike and all the good times he's had with those wheels?
Yes
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
September 08 2011 04:12 GMT
#17
On September 08 2011 13:11 SarR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 13:09 cz wrote:
On September 08 2011 13:08 SarR wrote:
On September 08 2011 13:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On September 08 2011 12:59 SarR wrote:
What do you expect me to do about it ?


its a blog,don't be an ass.

Its 3 sentences actually, a far cry from being a blog. Besides if little effort is placed on writing a blog, dont you think that by all thats just, the same should apply to the comments ?


It's a blog about something that happened to me. I don't have to write a blog that meets your standards whatsoever. If you want to troll gtfo here before you get banned.

Actually, backseat moderating is an almost bannable offense. Oh and I dont have to write replys that meet your standards either


Can someone get a mod to ban this dude? This my own blog, talking about me just being victimized, and this guy is being an aggressive douche.
Tipany
Profile Joined November 2010
United States368 Posts
September 08 2011 04:12 GMT
#18
What kind of bike?

And what do you mean "snap" on and off? Quick release?
wat.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
September 08 2011 04:13 GMT
#19
On September 08 2011 13:12 Tipany wrote:
What kind of bike?

And what do you mean "snap" on and off? Quick release?


Yeah quick release, I dunno too much about this stuff. Disc brakes on the wheels though.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 04:15:19
September 08 2011 04:14 GMT
#20
Man, now I'm thankful that my parents made me learn to lock up the wheels when I locked up the bike - particularly the front wheel, because it's super easy to steal 99% of the time. The back wheel is usually more obnoxious, and they typically won't steal just 1 unless they can get both. From what I understand, the thieves typically sell the (presumably high-quality) wheels for dirt cheap afterwards.
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
September 08 2011 04:15 GMT
#21
Anyway, yeah I would have to agree with Travis that this is kind of ridiculous. Although, aren't mountain bike wheels sort of expensive? I dunno much about that kind of thing.

I did have a few bikes stolen when I was like 10 because I was too dumb to put them away (just left them in front yard lolol). It sucks..
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50105 Posts
September 08 2011 04:15 GMT
#22
On September 08 2011 13:12 SarR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 13:10 Dalguno wrote:
On September 08 2011 13:08 SarR wrote:
On September 08 2011 13:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On September 08 2011 12:59 SarR wrote:
What do you expect me to do about it ?


its a blog,don't be an ass.

Its 3 sentences actually, a far cry from being a blog. Besides if little effort is placed on writing a blog, dont you think that by all thats just, the same should apply to the comments ?


What do you want him to say? Give the history of the bike and all the good times he's had with those wheels?
Yes

he can write what he wants,if a mod needs to take action on it he will.

seriously don't be an ass.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
September 08 2011 04:17 GMT
#23
Okay banned SarR from the blog. ty snowfantasy for pointing out that feature
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 04:18:19
September 08 2011 04:18 GMT
#24
On September 08 2011 13:12 cz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 13:11 SarR wrote:
On September 08 2011 13:09 cz wrote:
On September 08 2011 13:08 SarR wrote:
On September 08 2011 13:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On September 08 2011 12:59 SarR wrote:
What do you expect me to do about it ?


its a blog,don't be an ass.

Its 3 sentences actually, a far cry from being a blog. Besides if little effort is placed on writing a blog, dont you think that by all thats just, the same should apply to the comments ?


It's a blog about something that happened to me. I don't have to write a blog that meets your standards whatsoever. If you want to troll gtfo here before you get banned.

Actually, backseat moderating is an almost bannable offense. Oh and I dont have to write replys that meet your standards either


Can someone get a mod to ban this dude? This my own blog, talking about me just being victimized, and this guy is being an aggressive douche.


If you really want to ban him from your blog you can click blogs in the top left (by your PM, Profile, and Posts) and scroll down. It has the option to ban any non-mod who has posted in one of your blogs from doing it again.

Sucks about your wheels. I've seen some bikes with stolen wheels in cities but they are generally the ones that look as though they've been sitting there for a while.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27139 Posts
September 08 2011 04:18 GMT
#25
Mountain bike wheels are usually cheap. And I use two locks, one for frame / back wheel, and one for frame / front wheel / railing.
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SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 04:19:23
September 08 2011 04:18 GMT
#26
Ah thx for the info Mani.

I really have no clue about bike pricing.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 04:20:49
September 08 2011 04:19 GMT
#27
On September 08 2011 13:18 Manifesto7 wrote:
Mountain bike wheels are usually cheap. And I use two locks, one for frame / back wheel, and one for frame / front wheel / railing.


Yeah I'm definitely going to have to use two locks now. I'm just not sure if it's more expensive to buy two full wheels now or just buy a $100 bike and use that. Anyone have a guess on some cheap mountain bike wheel cost?

edit: and ty for taking care of the troll
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 04:35:31
September 08 2011 04:31 GMT
#28
LOL

Just looked up my bike. It's $1400 new ($800 on kijiji). I got it from a neighbor when he moved across the country.

Really should not have been locking that up downtown. Glad it was just the wheels now.

I'm gonna buy a $100 cheap bike and use that for downtown biking, fix up this bike with new wheels when I get a better job and can afford it and use it for mountain excursions only.
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
September 08 2011 04:37 GMT
#29
Yea, this is pretty common. Like someone else mentioned you should get one of those longer locks that lets you wrap it through the wheels too. Thieves don't like to work hard so if you do that it will discourage more people from trying :p.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
September 08 2011 04:42 GMT
#30
It's this bike: dunno what year though. I got it in 2010 from a neighbor:

[image loading]

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Norco-Sasquatch-2007-/170673974750?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_210&hash=item27bcf62dde
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 04:44:57
September 08 2011 04:44 GMT
#31
Yeah, this actually ended up happening a lot near/at my school before. People would come, and just steal the wheels off of bikes on the bike rack.

Hope you find some replacement wheels alright, and like others have said, use one of those long bendy locks and thread it through the wheels/frame. :p

There's actually a funny picture I saw before, of someone who used one of those, but just put it through the wheels and not the frame, and the picture was just of the two wheels locked to a pole, because someone stole the frame instead.
you gotta dance
h4nk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden23 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 13:22:38
September 08 2011 13:22 GMT
#32
Damn sorry for you but don´t ever use snap-on snap-off wheels or saddles. A funny thing happend last week, when i walked to the subway there were like 10 bicycles hanging in different trees. Evidently someone had a really good time the night before xD
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 13:49:29
September 08 2011 13:49 GMT
#33
Who the fuck steals wheels?

I've had scrap metal guys come to our house constantly for metal (we were renovating).
When we stopped putting out metal (we were done renovating that part of the house), they stole our mailbox (it's metal).

I know, almost, your suffering.
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lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
September 08 2011 14:03 GMT
#34
On September 08 2011 22:49 Torte de Lini wrote:
Who the fuck steals wheels?

I've had scrap metal guys come to our house constantly for metal (we were renovating).
When we stopped putting out metal (we were done renovating that part of the house), they stole our mailbox (it's metal).

I know, almost, your suffering.


Wheels can be pretty expensive. If you can, don't use quick release ... use the normal bolts. The rear wheels are normally more expensive than the front ones, but the front ones are easier to steal. If you can, you should lock the frame and front or back wheel to whatever post you're locking your bike to. Some people say to even take 2 locks and lock one wheel and frame with one lock and the other wheel with the other lock.

A lot of times thieves will simply avoid your bike if it looks safer (ie has two locks). Unfortunately that means more weight to carry since bike locks are the lightest things around.

Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
September 08 2011 15:09 GMT
#35
Those things that hold the wheels in place are not actually part of the axle and you can buy them by themselves:
[image loading]

So after you replace the wheels, change to something that needs tools and does not have that quick release lever. I personally only use one lock and make sure to put it through the frame and the front wheel. I hope thieves are too lazy to steal the back wheel.
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