For some reason I cannot stand listening to Painuser. Even when I really want to watch IPL, I have to turn it off when he is casting. He seems to completely suck the life out of even the best matchups; I cannot put my finger on why. Maybe because he doesn't ever seem truly exited about anything and his 'analysis' doesn't even come close to making up for it. I respect him for trying (he had to give it a shot after realizing he was hopeless at becoming a progamer), but I think, when it comes down to it, he sounds like he's trying too hard. The frustrating thing is I cannot think of any way for him to improve.

HD is lacking in the analysis department, but I think he would be the first to admit it. However, he sounds like he truly enjoys watching and casting starcraft, and I think that goes along way in making up for his other weaknesses. I would prefer to listen to him alone, I think.

TL;DR

On July 26 2011 11:11 lGy wrote:
painuser is awful... HD is aite

bob198

Canada14 Posts

August 25 2011 18:45 GMT

#43

I like HD, but Painuser could improve.

Making all kinds of mistakes like telling the fans that the 1.4 BFH will still 2 shot workers, over dramatising, lack of positivity, no robo counters to 111...

GoGo Cat's Pajamas

Djzapz

Canada10681 Posts

August 25 2011 18:53 GMT

#44

On August 26 2011 03:45 bob198 wrote:
I like HD, but Painuser could improve.

Making all kinds of mistakes like telling the fans that the 1.4 BFH will still 2 shot workers, over dramatising, lack of positivity, no robo counters to 111...

Other way around. They both make mistakes, but Painuser actually knows the game whereas HD doesn't, really.

Neither of them are actually that good at commentating IMO, but Painuser makes up for it by knowing the game. The fact that HD achieved a certain level popularity is mindblowing to me. He goes off on ridiculous tangents that make no sense, says untrue things all the time, brings up random BS.

I usually mute any stream or VOD commentated by HD but for IPL, I just lower the volume to catch the insightful things Painuser has in store. Artosis once said that he hates when shoutcasters pretend to know things when they clearly don't. I don't know that he would agree, but HD pisses me off because he can make stuff up absurdly well.

The world needs more tastosis and day9 and less silver players who appeal to the official battle.net forum posters. HD is like a freaking apple product.

Kolgrim

Lithuania31 Posts

August 25 2011 19:32 GMT

#45

I don't see why there so much hate. Cut these guys some slack, they are doing a decent job and promoting e-sports. That is never bad.

I tune in to IPL during work hours and it keeps me quite entertained and never had any complains.

Djzapz

Canada10681 Posts

August 25 2011 20:03 GMT

#46

On August 26 2011 04:32 Kolgrim wrote:
I don't see why there so much hate. Cut these guys some slack, they are doing a decent job and promoting e-sports. That is never bad.

I tune in to IPL during work hours and it keeps me quite entertained and never had any complains.

They're "promoting e-sports"? Sure, they're also getting an actual salary. You know, money. It's not some great act of self-sacrifice for the community. I appreciate what they're trying to do, but I would bet that HD mostly appeals to people in the low leagues. (I'm sure some pros like to watch for the comical relief)

TL is packed to the brim with commentators who do it for free, some of them are much better than the bigshot youtubers but don't get the same recognition. Some of them are the selfless folks who promote "e-sports"

I think it's sad when fairly big names get super excited and shout things like "THE SCVS GET A FULL SURROUND ON THE MARINE" at the 4 minutes mark when it's actually 2 SCVs and the marine ran away. It doesn't matter if you sold your house to run a 200k tournament - it doesn't make you a good commentator.

Chill

Calgary25986 Posts

August 25 2011 20:11 GMT

#47

I like them both. They're not the best but I always enjoy their casts. I really like CatsPajamas too.

Strike_

Netherlands704 Posts

August 25 2011 20:22 GMT

#48

HD is kind of meh but painuser is a great caster imo

MichaelEU

Netherlands816 Posts

August 25 2011 20:41 GMT

#49

Compared to his first casts, Painuser has improved a lot on just making everything flow. Big props.

Sc1pio

United States823 Posts

August 25 2011 23:48 GMT

#50

I was initially negative about Painuser's casting, but lately he's seemed to have grown on me. HD is good as well. They're not the greatest casting duo in the history of ESPORTS but they're pretty damn good.

bebe01

Korea (South)512 Posts

August 25 2011 23:54 GMT

#51

painuser is awful because he never sounds excited or enthused about the cast. he gives off the vibe of "i dont want to be here" when he talks. maybe its just me.

Thrill

2599 Posts

August 25 2011 23:56 GMT

#52

Well.. IPL.. It's all replays and i watch it muted... So may as well just watch the replay in the SC2 client tbh. Oh wait, no.. most games are from ancient patches.

BatCat

Austria630 Posts

August 25 2011 23:57 GMT

#53

I really like them. Sure they're not top notch but they're aren't annoying and easy on the ears.

OmniEulogy

Canada6592 Posts

August 26 2011 00:00 GMT

#54

I don't like either of them very much as casters. Too many mistakes and they just don't make it enjoyable enough to watch. I'd almost rather watch a replay with somebody else over skype and discuss it myself. =/

novabossa

United States350 Posts

August 26 2011 00:24 GMT

#55

I love HD. He's the one who introduced me to Starcraft through Youtube. Always get a bit nostalgic when I see his casts. Fantastic radio voice too. Despite all you casuals claiming he doesn't know what he's talking about...perhaps it's the other way around. HD's made an impressive effort to improve his knowledge of the game and he's a mid-top level masters player who's competed at several MLGs. How many of you can say the same? So get off your bronze ponies and stfu.

Djzapz

Canada10681 Posts

August 26 2011 00:45 GMT

#56

On August 26 2011 09:24 novabossa wrote:
I love HD. He's the one who introduced me to Starcraft through Youtube. Always get a bit nostalgic when I see his casts. Fantastic radio voice too. Despite all you casuals claiming he doesn't know what he's talking about...perhaps it's the other way around. HD's made an impressive effort to improve his knowledge of the game and he's a mid-top level masters player who's competed at several MLGs. How many of you can say the same? So get off your bronze ponies and stfu.

Competing at MLG is easy. You pay and you play even if you're bronze.

Last time he tried to compete he lost 0-2 and dropped into lower bracket and then lost 0-2 and dropped out of the tournament. Well spent $50 (or whatever it costs).

He truly doesn't know what he's talking about most of the time.