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On July 17 2011 04:51 Tipany wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 04:16 phosphorylation wrote:
loss is a loss indeed.
but read your own post again and see how much of an emo-teenager you sound like.
if all your friends that you have known for many years and attended your high school all got expelled from your high school, then, perhaps a post like this would be justified. Naw dude, that's a pretty dumb thing of you to say. Maybe you just can't imagine yourself in the same situation.
I can imagine myself in the same situation. In the moment I'll probably be over dramatic, in years to come it'll be more like a *shrug*.
It sucks we can all agree with that. But in reality its not a big deal, not a small deal either, but it's not like you're living in a third world country struggling to support your family and BAM you break your leg and become unable to work.
I believe the OP understands where we're coming from when we comment on how the blog was written in an overly dramatic manner. It's not like we're telling him to shut up. A loss is a loss.
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On July 17 2011 05:07 Grantiere wrote:
So, in a state with the 2nd strictest alcohol laws in the country, how did a group of kids 4 years under the legal drinking age get access to alcohol?
And "Apparently, some girl became sick because she had too much, but that was about the extent of it. " - so the right thing to do is to call another kid to take care of her? As good of a guy as he may be, is he going to know what the difference between "had a little too much" and "had a lot too much" looks like?
You've never drank have you? It isn't hard for kids to get alcohol....
Sounds like a lot of bullshit sorry for your friends they must be really kicking themselves sounds like a good opportunity lost
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On July 17 2011 04:16 phosphorylation wrote:
loss is a loss indeed.
but read your own post again and see how much of an emo-teenager you sound like.
if all your friends that you have known for many years and attended your high school all got expelled from your high school, then, perhaps a post like this would be justified.
Personally, I believe you can make better friends with some people in a shorter span of 1-2 months than with certain people in a span of 1-2 years, or even longer. One or two months is more than enough time to mix and bond with another and learn enough to decide how compatible that person is with you. In the scenario of kids mature enough to partake in a privileged program at a prestigious university, I'd say you may find that even amongst high schoolers, you may find that you can truly connect with them as opposed to an otherwise normal situation.
Also, to the OP, I don't think your post came off emo at all; it's perfectly normal to feel bummed out after losing some great friends that you seemed to have made.
EDIT: You could do without the picture though, that makes the whole post look exaggerated...
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Wow, that sucks quite a bit. I took some summer classes with some friends junior year at a local uni too. They weren't credit summer courses but they were quite a bit of fun.
I can only assume you all wanted to get into Harvard. It doesn't look like your friends will anymore.
No one ever has a good chance of getting in, but now they don't have any chance. Try to console them by telling them that they don't need Harvard... because they really don't. Harvard needs them. You guys are all so hardworking. In the grand scheme of things, this event will be like a speed bump (social network reference :/).
I don't really think finding more people to hang out with is on any order of difficulty to bear as the shame of being expelled.
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On July 17 2011 05:50 obesechicken13 wrote:
Wow, that sucks quite a bit. I took some summer classes with some friends junior year at a local uni too. They weren't credit summer courses but they were quite a bit of fun.
I can only assume you all wanted to get into Harvard. It doesn't look like your friends will anymore.
No one ever has a good chance of getting in, but now they don't have any chance. Try to console them by telling them that they don't need Harvard... because they really don't. Harvard needs them. You guys are all so hardworking. In the grand scheme of things, this event will be like a speed bump (social network reference :/).
I don't really think finding more people to hang out with is on any order of difficulty to bear as the shame of being expelled.
That part about Harvard needing them is obviously false; I wouldn't use this line to console them. Any intelligent individual knows just what it takes to enter Harvard University and the simple fact is that Harvard simply has way too many elite competitors to need anyone in particular unless he or she is an EXTREMELY distinguishable elite.
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It's sad that your friends got expelled, but they knew about the zero tolerance policy, so they got what they deserved. If the administrators would ignore it or just give a warning, it would give a precedent with hard to foresee consequences.
Even if they would give the Reed Guy just a warning it would give the wrong message "yeah, if you just participate without drinking you are free to go, just ignore all illegal stuff"... nope, not going to happen.
Rules are Rules, don't break them when your future depends on it.
Sucks for you, but well, your next friends are just around the corner and hopefully they will be more intelligent. There is also still Facebook, so you can still talk to them and meet them in the holidays, etc.
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On July 17 2011 06:17 Morfildur wrote:
It's sad that your friends got expelled, but they knew about the zero tolerance policy, so they got what they deserved. If the administrators would ignore it or just give a warning, it would give a precedent with hard to foresee consequences.
Even if they would give the Reed Guy just a warning it would give the wrong message "yeah, if you just participate without drinking you are free to go, just ignore all illegal stuff"... nope, not going to happen.
Rules are Rules, don't break them when your future depends on it.
Sucks for you, but well, your next friends are just around the corner and hopefully they will be more intelligent. There is also still Facebook, so you can still talk to them and meet them in the holidays, etc.
Pretty much. I feel bad for you OP but not for your friends. They broke rules... probably didn't care much about them until they were caught.
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On July 17 2011 05:21 CurLy[] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 05:07 Grantiere wrote:
So, in a state with the 2nd strictest alcohol laws in the country, how did a group of kids 4 years under the legal drinking age get access to alcohol?
And "Apparently, some girl became sick because she had too much, but that was about the extent of it. " - so the right thing to do is to call another kid to take care of her? As good of a guy as he may be, is he going to know what the difference between "had a little too much" and "had a lot too much" looks like?
You've never drank have you? It isn't hard for kids to get alcohol.... Sounds like a lot of bullshit sorry for your friends they must be really kicking themselves sounds like a good opportunity lost
And how do kids get alcohol? Why would I be asking such a ridiculously naive question, right?
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so why are americans not allowed to drink until they are 21?
In germany you can get low % alcohol like beer when you are 16 and you are free to buy what ever when you turned 18. And no university would ever bother with what you do outside of the university grounds no matter if you live in a dorm or not. And you guys even got a curfew ....
I can just feel sorry for you
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I've never understood the excessive consumption for alcohol, I have nothing against drinking (i've had some myself, just tastes terrible to me and yes, i'm over 21), but excessive drinking I have a problem with. I never understood why people break the law to get drunk underage. I have never had that much alcohol in my life so I guess I won't understand, do people drink it because it tastes good? or makes them feel good? Because after seeing the result the next morning dozens of times, seems like it sucks.
Is drinking really THAT amazing? lol
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On July 17 2011 07:39 Grantiere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 05:21 CurLy[] wrote:On July 17 2011 05:07 Grantiere wrote:
So, in a state with the 2nd strictest alcohol laws in the country, how did a group of kids 4 years under the legal drinking age get access to alcohol?
And "Apparently, some girl became sick because she had too much, but that was about the extent of it. " - so the right thing to do is to call another kid to take care of her? As good of a guy as he may be, is he going to know what the difference between "had a little too much" and "had a lot too much" looks like?
You've never drank have you? It isn't hard for kids to get alcohol.... Sounds like a lot of bullshit sorry for your friends they must be really kicking themselves sounds like a good opportunity lost And how do kids get alcohol? Why would I be asking such a ridiculously naive question, right?
One of my friends had a fake. People really don't check too hard.
I feel just awful for my friend Reed- his case is definitely the exception here. I really wish I could have argued well enough to save him, but the precedent is the precedent exactly as Morfildur said. They really couldn't have let up any ground on their policy, as clunky and impersonal as it is.
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On July 17 2011 08:12 phant wrote:
I've never understood the excessive consumption for alcohol, I have nothing against drinking (i've had some myself, just tastes terrible to me and yes, i'm over 21), but excessive drinking I have a problem with. I never understood why people break the law to get drunk underage. I have never had that much alcohol in my life so I guess I won't understand, do people drink it because it tastes good? or makes them feel good? Because after seeing the result the next morning dozens of times, seems like it sucks.
Is drinking really THAT amazing? lol
I myself don't have any special love for alcohol, i just get tired and want to sleep if i drink a lot, and it's not like you get a rush from breaking the law, or you're looking forward to be able to drink, as nobody really cares in Denmark, if you drink when you're 14-15 years old, and you can buy any alcohol you want as far as i know when you're 16.
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man that's a tough break. i guess it's rea`lly important just to be careful about who you're around.
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On July 17 2011 06:17 Morfildur wrote:
It's sad that your friends got expelled, but they knew about the zero tolerance policy, so they got what they deserved. If the administrators would ignore it or just give a warning, it would give a precedent with hard to foresee consequences.
Even if they would give the Reed Guy just a warning it would give the wrong message "yeah, if you just participate without drinking you are free to go, just ignore all illegal stuff"... nope, not going to happen.
Rules are Rules, don't break them when your future depends on it.
Sucks for you, but well, your next friends are just around the corner and hopefully they will be more intelligent. There is also still Facebook, so you can still talk to them and meet them in the holidays, etc.
I think it's stupid that they set up rules for your private life. It's ok to have rules like that for your behaviour on university property, but as soon as you're at home or anywhere else outside of their territory it's not their concern.
However i'm not entirely sure how old these guys are. If this whole thing is something like a boarding school where the university takes the responsibility for them because they are not 18 yet, it's a different story.
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Since they are highschoolers moving to 12th grade, they ought to be 15-16.
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On July 17 2011 08:12 phant wrote:
I've never understood the excessive consumption for alcohol, I have nothing against drinking (i've had some myself, just tastes terrible to me and yes, i'm over 21), but excessive drinking I have a problem with. I never understood why people break the law to get drunk underage. I have never had that much alcohol in my life so I guess I won't understand, do people drink it because it tastes good? or makes them feel good? Because after seeing the result the next morning dozens of times, seems like it sucks.
Is drinking really THAT amazing? lol
Most people drink because of ZvT
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We're actually 17, not 15-16, but not like it makes much difference in the eyes of the law >_>
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Look at it this way: none of this will have any significant impact on anyone's lives in the long run. Also, you are perfectly free to stay in touch with your friends, should you care to. I recommend doing so.
Speaking from the point of view of a 40 year old who remembers things like this happening when he was 16.
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Zero tolerance is such a bullshit excuse. I feel sorry for Reed, the guy didn't deserve that one bit.
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