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So by now I'm sure that practically everyone who is living in a country that has a news service or internet connection knows that Osama Bin Laden has been killed. The BBC won't shut up about it and I'm pretty certain it's worse in the US. However I really do not think that this is such a big deal that everyone is making it out to be, this is not some great victory and it's unlikely to improve the situation that the US finds itself in. For the following reasons:
Firstly if Osama has been running around in hiding for the last say 10 years, then it's unlikely that he has been an actual tactical or strategic leader for the movement. He may be a leader in name but most likely not in practice. Therefore it most probably won't leave such a big vacuum or lead to a great power struggle. The same people who have been leading the terrorist forces in his time of hiding will most probably continue to do so with little problem.
Secondly the terrorist movement needs no great motivator, nor extremist leader. The greatest cause of extremism against America is American foreign policy which includes the proping up of dictators, the overthrowing and usurping of legitimate governments, parisan support for Israel and it's unhealthy interest in oil mainly from Arab countries. So there will be no lack of extremism in the absence of this man.
Thirdly if anything the U.S. has most probably made this man into some hero martyr figure now that he and his son has been killed. The fact that he and his son has been killed may make him even more attractive to Shia muslims since a lot of their theological and historical baggage is tied up with Husain who was a muslim martyr seen to be fighting an oppressive movement.
Finally in a broader look at this, lets look at the trade off that has been made by the US. Had America not invaded Afghanistan (and carried out extensive military operations in pakistan) to kill this guy and shut down al-qaeda then this security situation and the problem of fanatic Islam would have been a much more isolated and smaller problem. The irony is that in seeking to protect itself from terrorism by invading and occupying afghanistan and attacking locations in pakistan over the last decade, these two acts (among others) have instead lead to a sharp and steady increase in islamic terrorism against the US and they have been the biggest motivation for young men to become islamic extremists.
So in conclusion, although this may seem like a huge victory for the US, though this may increase troop moral for a short time, really this is a minor factor in the huge festering problem that the U.S. has created itself. It's approach in trying to find and kill this man has been hugely counter-productive.
  
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Why post your own blog on this? Theres a thread specifically for that and your thoughts are not that unique or insighful that it needs its own spotlight. Some people agree with you, many disagree.
My own take is that its a symbolic gesture, I also disagree with the fact that he wasn't a strategic or tactical leader. They made mention of the fact that trusted couriers were around him. It's a good bet they weren't there to deliver packages from amazon.com
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I mostly agree with you. He was just another Terrorist. Yes, he did succeed in planning destroying an important building in the US, but just because of this success doesn't mean he is special.
He is just one terrorist less in this world, and we should move on and continue to eliminate other threats to the safety of the people.
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On May 02 2011 23:44 TechniQ.UK wrote:
Had America not invaded Afghanistan (and carried out extensive military operations in pakistan) to kill this guy and shut down al-qaeda then this security situation and the problem of fanatic Islam would have been a much more isolated and smaller problem.
You don't know that, you shouldn't blindly assume it.
But I agree, this doesn't really change anything and the fact that they decided to bury him quickly as according to Muslim tradition (from what I gathered) only gives conspiracy theorists new fuel. But I'd rather these idiots than the ones that would have started to blow up more shit, had the U.S. disrespected the tradition by just keeping the body. Which they might have, who really cares?
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Yo bro, where you in the United States when the Two Towers were hit? Do you know how many lives it destroyed? Do you know how it felt to KNOW the face of the guy who planned it and not be able to reach him for 10 years?
It's kinda a big deal.
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I don't know what the outcome will be, but it feels damn good.
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Cool, now that you've established the idea that the media is blowing things out of a possible proportion (maybe), now what?
This also adds to the fact that you associate "lots of media coverage" to "people care immensely about this". It may be true, maybe a lot of people are intently interested, but then again, the media covers a lot of things that are rather trivial (Donald Trump?).
It's just a big story because Osama made a big mark on the country, the implications behind it or the underlining counter point is nearly pointless.
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On May 02 2011 23:53 darkmetal505 wrote:
Yo bro, where you in the United States when the Two Towers were hit? Do you know how many lives it destroyed? Do you know how it felt to KNOW the face of the guy who planned it and not be able to reach him for 10 years?
It's kinda a big deal.
Yeah, but what makes him different from any other terrorist who destroyed something in America?
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On May 02 2011 23:53 darkmetal505 wrote:
Yo bro, where you in the United States when the Two Towers were hit? Do you know how many lives it destroyed? Do you know how it felt to KNOW the face of the guy who planned it and not be able to reach him for 10 years?
It's kinda a big deal.
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I don't know what the outcome will be, but it feels damn good.
Well OK sure you make the emotional point. However try to imagine how a muslim or arab person feels. Do you know how many innocent people the US have killed through drone attacks in Pakistan? Through bombing in Iraq and Afghanistan? Thousands.
Do they not then have just as much justification to hate the U.S. and it's leader, that you do to hate Osama?
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On May 03 2011 00:07 TechniQ.UK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:53 darkmetal505 wrote:
Yo bro, where you in the United States when the Two Towers were hit? Do you know how many lives it destroyed? Do you know how it felt to KNOW the face of the guy who planned it and not be able to reach him for 10 years?
It's kinda a big deal.
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I don't know what the outcome will be, but it feels damn good. Well OK sure you make the emotional point. However try to imagine how a muslim or arab person feels. Do you know how many innocent people the US have killed through drone attacks in Pakistan? Through bombing in Iraq and Afghanistan? Thousands. Do they not then have just as much justification to hate the U.S. and it's leader, that you do to hate Osama?
I wonder which struck first...
9/11? Or the war that followed...
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I'm from the US, and I agree to some extent.
It isn't likely to actually change anything, but it's a moral/symbolic victory, at least. I mean, any group of random assholes could have performed 9/11 if they wanted to, really. It wasn't THAT complex of an operation. You can't 'defeat' terrorism. So yeah, that's not really the reason it's important.
But look at it this way, if some kid rode his bike by your house and threw a rock through your window, you'd be pretty happy if you found out a week later that he got in trouble, or got roughed up or something, regardless of the fact that you're still standing there with a broken window.
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On May 03 2011 00:07 TechniQ.UK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:53 darkmetal505 wrote:
Yo bro, where you in the United States when the Two Towers were hit? Do you know how many lives it destroyed? Do you know how it felt to KNOW the face of the guy who planned it and not be able to reach him for 10 years?
It's kinda a big deal.
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I don't know what the outcome will be, but it feels damn good. Well OK sure you make the emotional point.
You just lost your entire point in your topic. You wondered what was the big deal and why is it making such a big hit on the news?
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Last time I checked, America NOT Britain has been the main terrorist target for the past 25 years. YOU are out of your element.
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On May 03 2011 00:11 mizU wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:07 TechniQ.UK wrote:On May 02 2011 23:53 darkmetal505 wrote:
Yo bro, where you in the United States when the Two Towers were hit? Do you know how many lives it destroyed? Do you know how it felt to KNOW the face of the guy who planned it and not be able to reach him for 10 years?
It's kinda a big deal.
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I don't know what the outcome will be, but it feels damn good. Well OK sure you make the emotional point. However try to imagine how a muslim or arab person feels. Do you know how many innocent people the US have killed through drone attacks in Pakistan? Through bombing in Iraq and Afghanistan? Thousands. Do they not then have just as much justification to hate the U.S. and it's leader, that you do to hate Osama? I wonder which struck first... 9/11? Or the war that followed...
OK I like your logic...
One terrorist act by a reletively small group of extremists merits the invasion and prolonged occupation of a country (two if you include iraq). Plus you obviously attacked the wrong country, Osama and most of the terrorists involved in 9-11 were from Saudi Arabia not Afghanistan.
If you think that makes sense then there is no hope for you.
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On May 03 2011 00:26 TechniQ.UK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:11 mizU wrote:On May 03 2011 00:07 TechniQ.UK wrote:On May 02 2011 23:53 darkmetal505 wrote:
Yo bro, where you in the United States when the Two Towers were hit? Do you know how many lives it destroyed? Do you know how it felt to KNOW the face of the guy who planned it and not be able to reach him for 10 years?
It's kinda a big deal.
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I don't know what the outcome will be, but it feels damn good. Well OK sure you make the emotional point. However try to imagine how a muslim or arab person feels. Do you know how many innocent people the US have killed through drone attacks in Pakistan? Through bombing in Iraq and Afghanistan? Thousands. Do they not then have just as much justification to hate the U.S. and it's leader, that you do to hate Osama? I wonder which struck first... 9/11? Or the war that followed... OK I like your logic... One terrorist act by a reletively small group of extremists merits the invasion and prolonged occupation of a country (two if you include iraq). Plus you obviously attacked the wrong country, Osama and most of the terrorists involved in 9-11 were from Saudi Arabia not Afghanistan. If you think that makes sense then there is no hope for you.
Not a small group of extremists.
Afghanistan was a safe-haven for the terrorists.
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On May 03 2011 00:26 TechniQ.UK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:11 mizU wrote:On May 03 2011 00:07 TechniQ.UK wrote:On May 02 2011 23:53 darkmetal505 wrote:
Yo bro, where you in the United States when the Two Towers were hit? Do you know how many lives it destroyed? Do you know how it felt to KNOW the face of the guy who planned it and not be able to reach him for 10 years?
It's kinda a big deal.
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I don't know what the outcome will be, but it feels damn good. Well OK sure you make the emotional point. However try to imagine how a muslim or arab person feels. Do you know how many innocent people the US have killed through drone attacks in Pakistan? Through bombing in Iraq and Afghanistan? Thousands. Do they not then have just as much justification to hate the U.S. and it's leader, that you do to hate Osama? I wonder which struck first... 9/11? Or the war that followed... OK I like your logic... One terrorist act by a reletively small group of extremists merits the invasion and prolonged occupation of a country (two if you include iraq). Plus you obviously attacked the wrong country, Osama and most of the terrorists involved in 9-11 were from Saudi Arabia not Afghanistan. If you think that makes sense then there is no hope for you.
Bin Laden was kicked out of Saudi Arabia in the early 90's and Afghanistan was his base of operations. Not to mention that he lived there for pretty much the entire of the 80's too.
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I don't really care but the whole thing has led to some hilarious jokes amongst friends and on the internet. So I guess in that way its kinda cool. 
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On May 03 2011 00:30 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:26 TechniQ.UK wrote:On May 03 2011 00:11 mizU wrote:On May 03 2011 00:07 TechniQ.UK wrote:On May 02 2011 23:53 darkmetal505 wrote:
Yo bro, where you in the United States when the Two Towers were hit? Do you know how many lives it destroyed? Do you know how it felt to KNOW the face of the guy who planned it and not be able to reach him for 10 years?
It's kinda a big deal.
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I don't know what the outcome will be, but it feels damn good. Well OK sure you make the emotional point. However try to imagine how a muslim or arab person feels. Do you know how many innocent people the US have killed through drone attacks in Pakistan? Through bombing in Iraq and Afghanistan? Thousands. Do they not then have just as much justification to hate the U.S. and it's leader, that you do to hate Osama? I wonder which struck first... 9/11? Or the war that followed... OK I like your logic... One terrorist act by a reletively small group of extremists merits the invasion and prolonged occupation of a country (two if you include iraq). Plus you obviously attacked the wrong country, Osama and most of the terrorists involved in 9-11 were from Saudi Arabia not Afghanistan. If you think that makes sense then there is no hope for you. Bin Laden was kicked out of Saudi Arabia in the early 90's and Afghanistan was his base of operations. Not to mention that he lived there for pretty much the entire of the 80's too.
OK I will accept that point but again, does one terrorist attack merit the invasion and occupation of two countries leading to the detruction of hundreds of thousands of lives as a result?
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Well OK sure you make the emotional point.
OK I like your logic...
OK I will accept that point but again
TIC-TAC-TOE, THREE IN A ROW!
On May 03 2011 00:35 TechniQ.UK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:30 jello_biafra wrote:On May 03 2011 00:26 TechniQ.UK wrote:On May 03 2011 00:11 mizU wrote:On May 03 2011 00:07 TechniQ.UK wrote:On May 02 2011 23:53 darkmetal505 wrote:
Yo bro, where you in the United States when the Two Towers were hit? Do you know how many lives it destroyed? Do you know how it felt to KNOW the face of the guy who planned it and not be able to reach him for 10 years?
It's kinda a big deal.
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I don't know what the outcome will be, but it feels damn good. Well OK sure you make the emotional point. However try to imagine how a muslim or arab person feels. Do you know how many innocent people the US have killed through drone attacks in Pakistan? Through bombing in Iraq and Afghanistan? Thousands. Do they not then have just as much justification to hate the U.S. and it's leader, that you do to hate Osama? I wonder which struck first... 9/11? Or the war that followed... OK I like your logic... One terrorist act by a reletively small group of extremists merits the invasion and prolonged occupation of a country (two if you include iraq). Plus you obviously attacked the wrong country, Osama and most of the terrorists involved in 9-11 were from Saudi Arabia not Afghanistan. If you think that makes sense then there is no hope for you. Bin Laden was kicked out of Saudi Arabia in the early 90's and Afghanistan was his base of operations. Not to mention that he lived there for pretty much the entire of the 80's too. OK I will accept that point but again, does one terrorist attack merit the invasion and occupation of two countries leading to the detruction of hundreds of thousands of lives as a result?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
More than one attack.
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On May 03 2011 00:35 TechniQ.UK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:30 jello_biafra wrote:On May 03 2011 00:26 TechniQ.UK wrote:On May 03 2011 00:11 mizU wrote:On May 03 2011 00:07 TechniQ.UK wrote:On May 02 2011 23:53 darkmetal505 wrote:
Yo bro, where you in the United States when the Two Towers were hit? Do you know how many lives it destroyed? Do you know how it felt to KNOW the face of the guy who planned it and not be able to reach him for 10 years?
It's kinda a big deal.
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I don't know what the outcome will be, but it feels damn good. Well OK sure you make the emotional point. However try to imagine how a muslim or arab person feels. Do you know how many innocent people the US have killed through drone attacks in Pakistan? Through bombing in Iraq and Afghanistan? Thousands. Do they not then have just as much justification to hate the U.S. and it's leader, that you do to hate Osama? I wonder which struck first... 9/11? Or the war that followed... OK I like your logic... One terrorist act by a reletively small group of extremists merits the invasion and prolonged occupation of a country (two if you include iraq). Plus you obviously attacked the wrong country, Osama and most of the terrorists involved in 9-11 were from Saudi Arabia not Afghanistan. If you think that makes sense then there is no hope for you. Bin Laden was kicked out of Saudi Arabia in the early 90's and Afghanistan was his base of operations. Not to mention that he lived there for pretty much the entire of the 80's too. OK I will accept that point but again, does one terrorist attack merit the invasion and occupation of two countries leading to the detruction of hundreds of thousands of lives as a result?
You are deviating from the original point of your blog aren't you, the point was what will it change?For the world realistically in terms of terrorism little, however symbolically for the world and especially for those who lost people or are survivors from 9/11.
The change is symbolic and emotional, realistically yea little.
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What happened to all those Hollywood movies that teach you revenge doesn't solve anything?
So yeah, he's dead... now what?
Btw, serious props to OP who admits he's wrong when he's faced with evidence. A rare sight on the internet.
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On May 03 2011 00:43 MichaelEU wrote:
What happened to all those Hollywood movies that teach you revenge doesn't solve anything?
So yeah, he's dead... now what?
It's deterrent. It's one of the 6 goals of punishing criminals for society's appeasement to the moral outrage the act of the criminal caused.
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I think that people are taking the topic title to seriously. Take it in the context of the whole of my original post and the points made that in the context of the whole US foreign policy situation, the death of Osama matters little and the US strategy in pursuing him has been counter-productive.
My point wasn't necessarily that the thing doesn't matter or should be ignored, but the outcomes are not so positive and grand that the media and the US and British governments are making it out to be.
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It's always great to see human beings come together to celebrate the death of an old man.
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I'm so glad the Canadian media are spending so much time on this as opposed to the fucking election happening today.
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On May 03 2011 00:18 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:07 TechniQ.UK wrote:On May 02 2011 23:53 darkmetal505 wrote:
Yo bro, where you in the United States when the Two Towers were hit? Do you know how many lives it destroyed? Do you know how it felt to KNOW the face of the guy who planned it and not be able to reach him for 10 years?
It's kinda a big deal.
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I don't know what the outcome will be, but it feels damn good. Well OK sure you make the emotional point. You just lost your entire point in your topic. You wondered what was the big deal and why is it making such a big hit on the news?
Edit: nvm, its completely offtopic and is a repetitive discussion
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United States44307 Posts
On May 03 2011 00:23 KingTony wrote:
Last time I checked, America NOT Britain has been the main terrorist target for the past 25 years. YOU are out of your element.
Glad to know Americans don't give a fuck about the 7/7 underground bombings.
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Hyrule19257 Posts
On May 03 2011 04:23 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:23 KingTony wrote:
Last time I checked, America NOT Britain has been the main terrorist target for the past 25 years. YOU are out of your element. Glad to know Americans don't give a fuck about the 7/7 underground bombings.
He doesn't speak for all of us....
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On May 03 2011 00:43 MichaelEU wrote:
What happened to all those Hollywood movies that teach you revenge doesn't solve anything?
So yeah, he's dead... now what?
Btw, serious props to OP who admits he's wrong when he's faced with evidence. A rare sight on the internet.
There's a lot of hollywood movies about the lone wolf who makes a lot of enemies by bending the rules to ensure that justice is met, too.
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On May 03 2011 00:11 mizU wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:07 TechniQ.UK wrote:On May 02 2011 23:53 darkmetal505 wrote:
Yo bro, where you in the United States when the Two Towers were hit? Do you know how many lives it destroyed? Do you know how it felt to KNOW the face of the guy who planned it and not be able to reach him for 10 years?
It's kinda a big deal.
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I don't know what the outcome will be, but it feels damn good. Well OK sure you make the emotional point. However try to imagine how a muslim or arab person feels. Do you know how many innocent people the US have killed through drone attacks in Pakistan? Through bombing in Iraq and Afghanistan? Thousands. Do they not then have just as much justification to hate the U.S. and it's leader, that you do to hate Osama? I wonder which struck first... 9/11? Or the war that followed...
The funding of the Afghan muhajideen by the Americans so that the Afghans can fight the Soviets for them.
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On May 03 2011 00:53 TechniQ.UK wrote:
I think that people are taking the topic title to seriously. Take it in the context of the whole of my original post and the points made that in the context of the whole US foreign policy situation, the death of Osama matters little and the US strategy in pursuing him has been counter-productive.
My point wasn't necessarily that the thing doesn't matter or should be ignored, but the outcomes are not so positive and grand that the media and the US and British governments are making it out to be.
Who are you trying to convince? Hands up who around here thinks that OBL's death means Planet Earth 2.0 just began and we can start building rocket ships to take us to the far-reaches of the universe, so we can continue to multiply and prosper across the galaxy?
Everyone knows it doesn't mean diddly in terms of actual tangible gains, but it does mean the closing of a chapter for a lot of people. It's a significant event for those directly related to people that were lost in the crimes the man orchestrated, and a milestone for justice.
That the guy could run around, orchestrate terrible acts of violence from complete safety and be mete with no justice was a sheer embarrassment to the ideals that we, as civilized nations, hold dear to us.
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