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Music Mag #8 - Jazz Into... Progressive Metal

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Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2663 Posts
April 25 2011 13:15 GMT
#1
Check out the other issues on:
Rap
Avant-Garde Metal
28th Feb-14th Mar
15th Mar - 21st Mar
Desperation & Futility
Music Mag #6 - 29th March - 11th April
Music Mag #7 – Jazz Into… Jazz Hop

Ok, blasting into part 2 of this. Let’s go!

Music Mag #7 – Jazz into... Part 2 – Progressive Metal

About five years ago I wrote a blog about how I developed my taste in metal and how I got there. Half of it was obvious, a combination of video-game music and friend’s having interest in the metal and nu-metal scene of the early noughties. It left me wondering how I ended up getting into Progressive music while my friend's ignored it. My theory is that I was played jazz fusion and other jazz growing up and they weren’t. So I looked back and found out some interesting origins and the best anti-irony ever. The band Steps Ahead are responsible for me liking progressive music. Ha.

Cajun – Steps Ahead
Jazz Fusion

So let me preface all of this. Steps Ahead are my childhood music heroes. I listened to them at least once a week from when I was about five until I was about twelve. I used to play rugby on Sundays and you can pretty much guarantee that this cassette was in the tape player. “Steps Ahead, live in Tokyo ’86.” I used to love this music when I was a kid. When I was about fourteen I tried this out again with my increased musical knowledge and they blew my mind. How long had this stuff been so technical? Well obviously since 1986 but I was too young to realise it. Anyway, a huge boundary that people have with progressive (and avant-garde, math music etc) is time signatures and off-beat or un-natural music progressions. The other generally is the very technical music. As you can hear, this track throws out all of that stuff from the get-go. It probably helps that the song is great too. But this got me used to all that sort of thing without realising that it was unusual in music. Compare the stop-start chords in prog metal breakdowns (it’s in every song…) with the obscure timing in the opening of this song. On top of that it’s got a keyboard-esque solo flying around courtesy of the Electronic Wind Instrument. It’s Liquid Tension Experiment before they existed and in jazz.

In A Sentimental Mood & Trains – Steps Ahead
Jazz Fusion

Ok, so this one starts of with a jazz standard played on EWI by the late-great Michael Brecker. It’s a beautiful track which opened my ears to the brilliance of the extended solo. The track is simple backing with incredible musicianship over-top. The bizarre noises of the EWI are entirely responsible for my yearning for synths in every metal song I hear.

Anyway, onto Trains. Just to get this out of the way. This is my favourite song ever. I’ve spent many hours thinking about it but this is it. I first heard it when I was about five and I still listen to it a lot. My Dad has been listening to it even longer. Ok, so what are the other obstacles that stops people listening to Progressive Music? Correct! Long songs are one and this track is about 14 minutes long so that is down. Let’s skip the checklist for now. Just listening to this song and you can hear how technical the whole thing is. Just to play a sax like that is night on impossible and the drums aren’t simple either and holy-smoke is that a guitar solo that any major rock or metal guitarist would be jealous of? You know it. Another huge factor for helping me with progressive music is all the stages this song goes through. There’s a mellow breakdown, extended solos, about two minutes straight of guitar solos, a long section of just the riff (you know that’s prog). I’m going to stop before I start making things up while I listen to this song.

You may be saying, “but flicky, there’s one thing missing! Why do you like cheesy vocals and the falsetto/faux-opera singing style?” This is one thing I haven’t figured out. There’s cheesy vocals in a lot of 80’s jazz songs so maybe I’ve just never been bothered by them I dunno. I’ll let you know when I find out. A lot of the gaps are filled with what I grew up around with pop music and the stuff my friend’s listened to. A big plug that filled the gap was video-game music but we’ll do that in a later issue. But now here’s a little bit about my two favourite progressive metal albums from the last few years. If you’re getting into Prog Metal then it’s an unwritten rule that you start with Images and Words by Dream Theater then go from there.

Album Review: Mercy Falls – Seventh Wonder
A Day Away – Seventh Wonder
Progressive Metal

It’s hard to link a song from this album and it’s harder to recommend because it’s kinda cheesy at parts. It’s been struck by the curse of soap-opera storylines for and worse than soap-opera acting. The thing is, this album is absolutely incredible and it gets to the point where after a few listens it really jumps out at you. When I first got it I didn’t like it that much but then I gave it another chance and well, here we are as the first second prog metal album I recommend to people. You have to give it a chance and when you do it melds into a brilliant 74 minute piece. I went with the catchiest track to link just because I’d have to link four or five for you to get an idea of it. There are some great ballads too but I’ve made a note never to link those. You have to ease yourself into a band’s ballads. It should never be the first thing you hear. Why? Because they’re usually cheesier than stilton on an unwashed foot. But try this album for me. Or for yourself, I don’t mind. Seventh Wonder have always focused on music then added technical stuff later (if at all) and so they’re probably one of the easiest bands in the genre to listen to. Often there are incredible riffs buried in the mix and not to mention the singer is amazing and the bassist too. I met him at a gig and told him I thought he was the best bassist in metal at the moment. He didn’t want to believe me but he saw I was wearing a Dream Theater T-shirt so he accepted that I knew at least a bit about them. (The reason I love him so much is that when he plays a bass solo, it fits the song perfectly. It’s not just technical wank thrown in.)

Album Review 2: Digital Ghosts – Shadow Gallery
Haunted – Shadow Gallery
Progressive Metal

This album was my best of 2009 and is joint top three with Mercy Falls and Images and Words as far as Progressive Metal goes. Shadow Gallery are famous for being completely ignored by so much of the Metal scene due to their musical style vocal arrangements and song layouts. Two of their previous albums, Tyranny and Room V, were part of a double concept album with a story about a man who was fighting against a new world order using the internet and unions and stuff. It was amazing music but the concept and song styles puts a lot of new listeners off. Digital Ghosts is more thematic and is way more accessible for the common listener. It’s still full of crunching riffs, wonderful solos and the best vocal melodies you’ll find in music. I guess this is another recommendation to the Prog Metal fan who hasn’t listened to it before but there you go. I love it. Haunted (the track I linked) is absolutely beautiful. The middle vocal section (5:50 onwards) gives me chills. Real ones, not metaphoric ones.

So this link is much less obvious and was more about breaking boundaries down between the music. A lot of people can’t get past something simple in songs. I never dealt with growling or screaming vocals in songs when I was younger so I have trouble listening to a lot songs and bands that focus on them. I’m sure that if my dad played it to me when I was a kid it wouldn’t bother me one bit.

My New Albums
So the second round of albums, most of these are from last week.

2 Unlimited – Pin-Up Went Down
I linked this Avant-Garde Metal band in issue six. The whole album is really varied and it has amazing vocals throughout, especially the creepy child vocals. There are some industrial style songs and other creepy metal tracks. Good variance but I like the poppy ones best. I got this for about $8 so super-worth that. I’ve been hooked in Intrusion for a while which is the intro song. Check that one out.

There Be Squabbles Ahead – Stolen Babies
Another Avant-Garde Metal CD that I realised I’d only downloaded before (whoops). Anyway, this CD is cool; it’s more aggressive than Pin-Up and with more traditional Cabaret styles. Interestingly my favourite track here is the outro The Button Has Been Pushed while on 2unlimited it was the intro. Anyway, check out both of these. The outro here reminds me of The Sims for some reason. It’s great.

Cowboy Bebop OST – The Seatbelts
If you like big band jazz or blues or whatever, get this. It’s like, really good. Bad Dog No Biscuits for big-band meets ska. Car 24 for a fun, cutesy song and Space Lion for its majestic beauty. You don’t have to have seen the show to get this. I played it for my Dad and he loves it.

The Evermore EP and The Everafter LP - Witness
Apparently two minutes separates EP from LP. Who knew? Anyway, these are two short but sweet Hip-Hop albums. As usual for my style they’re mellow and a bit jazzy. Both are really good but a bit short. The beats are great but often as soon as he’s out of lines he’ll just end the track. I like my music to continue for a bit after the rap is done if it’s good. But it’s not that a big of a deal. I’ve been listening to Cheap Date (Dive Bar Blend) all week. It’s amazing. If you’ve read this far down, consider this a must listen. I wanted to spotlight it but it doesn’t fit today.

Albums Released This Week
Musaic – The 49ers
New mellow hip hop coming out on the 27th could be amazing judging by More Than Friends on YouTube. I will likely be getting this in my next Japan order in May.

II – Xerath
Next album from Symphonic Meshuggah band Xerath. Looking forward to this one as the vocals have improved and apparently the whole thing is amazing. This is on pre-order.

Last Paragraph

I’m not very good at sleeping. I apparently don’t need as much sleep as other people, which is why it takes a long time for me to drift off every night. I used to try listening to music to keep myself entertained but I’ve never once fallen asleep while listening to it so I don’t try that any more. Instead I like to think about songs and play scenes to them. It’s really odd but now I have all these music video ideas in my head for different songs. A good chunk of them are based on whatever I’ve been reading or watching recently but I have a bunch of them for chilled out songs that just consist of me sitting on a fence in a field. That one has helped me fall asleep. Years of sleeplessness that I’ve tried to fix by counting sheep when I should’ve just got lazy and imagined myself sitting down instead.

Probably typos galore this week...

Poll: Best Song

Trains - Steps Ahead (2)
 
67%

Beirut - Steps Ahead (1)
 
33%

In a Sentimental Mood - Steps Ahead (0)
 
0%

A Day Away - Seventh Wonder (0)
 
0%

Haunted - Shadow Gallery (0)
 
0%

Something Else (post what!) (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Best Song

(Vote): Beirut - Steps Ahead
(Vote): In a Sentimental Mood - Steps Ahead
(Vote): Trains - Steps Ahead
(Vote): A Day Away - Seventh Wonder
(Vote): Haunted - Shadow Gallery
(Vote): Something Else (post what!)



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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32275 Posts
April 25 2011 14:30 GMT
#2
Frogg Cafe
Jaga Jazzist
Kiko Loureiro - Universo Inverso

+ some obscure argentinian bands (like Quaker, Tanger) that will be hard to find, but I can name if you are interested

Also I love the seatbelts, and so does every person I show them to
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Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
April 25 2011 14:46 GMT
#3
tbh ive never been able to get into fusion. i do listen to some of the funky stuff like herbie on occasion though. ive always seen jazz rock as moving away from core jazz values :X
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Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2663 Posts
April 25 2011 15:06 GMT
#4
On April 25 2011 23:46 Legatus Lanius wrote:
tbh ive never been able to get into fusion. i do listen to some of the funky stuff like herbie on occasion though. ive always seen jazz rock as moving away from core jazz values :X


Yeah, Jazz is huge though. Some of the widest variance from one part of the genre to the other that there's a lot of people who only like one type of jazz and so on. It's a similar thing with the metal genre.

I'll check some of those out ITW. I should've known that the prog and jazz title would entice out a south american.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32275 Posts
April 25 2011 16:05 GMT
#5
Well spotting Jazz in prog rock is kind of hard sometimes. Prog bands usually mix so many things that it's hard to grab a band that uses jazz elements all throughtout an album. And even more considering jazz can take so many forms.
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happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
April 25 2011 17:25 GMT
#6
On April 25 2011 23:46 Legatus Lanius wrote:
tbh ive never been able to get into fusion. i do listen to some of the funky stuff like herbie on occasion though. ive always seen jazz rock as moving away from core jazz values :X


I can't get into it either. Though I don't think there's anything such as "jazz values". Fusion is just not my taste.

The best jazz will always be the time period from the mid 40's to mid 60's, for me. Some of the best music of all time was made then, and I don't think jazz will ever be like that again ;_;
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
April 25 2011 18:04 GMT
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On April 26 2011 02:25 happyness wrote:
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On April 25 2011 23:46 Legatus Lanius wrote:
tbh ive never been able to get into fusion. i do listen to some of the funky stuff like herbie on occasion though. ive always seen jazz rock as moving away from core jazz values :X


I can't get into it either. Though I don't think there's anything such as "jazz values". Fusion is just not my taste.

The best jazz will always be the time period from the mid 40's to mid 60's, for me. Some of the best music of all time was made then, and I don't think jazz will ever be like that again ;_;


whilst i admire the proficiency of many of the fusion players, one of the best things about playing jazz is playing off others and augmenting them. i see alot of these fusion players with really flashy chops but it just seems so individual. a good example of this are groups like tribal tech, everyone seems to be off doing all these separate voices and it just sounds like a mess
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