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United Kingdom3685 Posts
Note: This is not a joke.
In the past couple of days, a number of important admins have left the ICCup team. These include myself, the head admin iCCup.nOoNe, and ladder super admin iCCup.yeszero. Tesla has also completely cut ties with ICCup, although she was already in a kind of ambiguous state as an admin. iCCup.09032010 and iCCup.astet have also left the team, but for different reasons than the rest of us.
There is no single cause of all this. There's been a lot of conflict and drama among the admins recently due to misunderstandings, differing values, and good old clashing of egos. Those of you who have been following my casts may even have seen some of what I'm talking about.
What this means for ICCup
The server will continue to run as usual. For regular players, you probably won't even notice much of a change besides slower response to ladder complaints, fewer tours, and possibly less help with things like changing passwords and such. Currently, a former head admin has returned to ICCup to pick up the pieces and try to re-organize the sections.
What this means for ISL
ISL will continue as planned. nOoNe and I will continue to do our ISL work, simply without the convenience of an admin tag/powers. ICCup as an organization wasn't actually contributing anything to the ISL besides providing the server to play our games on, so there's no real danger there. However, I was asked to stop using the ISL graphics created by iCCup.Geckoxp, so if there's anyone good with graphics out there who'd like to help out the ISL, please send a PM to me or Game 
I'm quite sad that it had to come to this. It was hard work, but I really enjoyed my time on the ICCup team. I really do hope that the people in charge can sort things out from here. If anyone has any other questions about what will happen with casting and such, I'll be happy to answer them here. I won't answer any questions about the details of what happened though.
 
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51060 Posts
We need to reform the iCCup team,with dedicated volunteers!
FOR THE PASSION
FOR THE GLORY
FOR THE MEMORIES
FOR BROOD WAR!
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I don't play BW anymore but this kind of news still pains me 
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A sad day indeed
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Which head admin if you don't mind me asking?
edit: ah looks like mai-k
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a very sad day indeed... but bw is dieing and the same community is not there to support the admins.. so I did kinda expect it
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I hate bad news relevant to BW.
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I don't buy it, posting this on the shittiest day of the year, even if you don't seem the type to do this bad tomfoolery.
say it again tomorrow and i'll believe it then, and on the offchance you do, i'll not care much as long as you people keep casting and organizing stuff 
-edited to counter automated apr.1st tl modifications
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That's 5 (/6) people gone. One already replaced it seems? Not to diminish these amazing admins' work by any means, but this should be fixable.
You should probably post this on iccup.com as well and link to that application form. I'll gladly help out if I can, and I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way.
Other than that, thanks so much for your work to everybody mentioned! <3
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This had to be posted on....April Fools?
I mean common if this was serious, you could have just waited one more day to ensure that people would take something absolutely serious and beyond all doubt.
I'm hoping its just a joke
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
I would have waited one more day, but I mentioned this on my stream yesterday and promised that I would blog about it for people who were curious. I also showed on the stream that my account was banned from ICCup as proof. Pretty bad timing I guess, but too late now :/
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So, I guess iccup related shows are on halt?
Interesting(and sad) to see where this will lead.
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I hope this is a bad joke D:
Live on iccup! Live on!
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
On April 01 2011 19:49 Jienny wrote:
So, I guess iccup related shows are on halt?
The only one that's in question is ICCup Clanleague. ISL will continue as I said, and no other events are really affiliated with ICCup.
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Croatia9538 Posts
I don't know what to think of it without any details, but I believe BW community will overcome any difficulties!
BW4lyfe~
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On April 01 2011 19:51 Sayle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 19:49 Jienny wrote:
So, I guess iccup related shows are on halt? The only one that's in question is ICCup Clanleague. ISL will continue as I said, and no other events are really affiliated with ICCup.
Is there any chance some of the admins will return?
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On April 01 2011 19:25 BaltA wrote:
a very sad day indeed... but bw is dieing and the same community is not there to support the admins.. so I did kinda expect it
F u. You come here in an already depressing blog and tell us that BW is dying. Have you no decency?
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On April 01 2011 20:35 mizU wrote:
iCCup attack? :[
Was just about to ask this, also is there a chance of spawning new shows? After ISL etc?)
Anyways, it's sad that this will overshadow amazing persons who are contributing to the best e-sport community of all time. Which had it's share of bad happenings already.
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
On April 01 2011 20:23 etheovermind wrote:
Is there any chance some of the admins will return?
I'm not sure. When I resigned, a few issues were still up in the air and now that I no longer have admin access, I can't really see how they're developing. I'd say it's unlikely though.
On April 01 2011 20:35 mizU wrote:
iCCup attack? :[
Hmm, I forgot about that. We'll probably use a different name, but I'm sure good players will still be interested in doing something like that with me and nOoNe
Edit: @Jienny: Well, the Chronicles of KasPra show was created completely independently of ICCup by me and KasPra, so I'd say it's definetely possible.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51060 Posts
The Abyss attack?
you could ask the mods here to just call it TL attack BW edition...
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Can you tell us what has happened ?
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Awkward and confusing. Well, I can understand people losing motivation especially when they are arguing with each other.
BW Fighting~ ^^ iCCup still runs, Sayle and co still doing their own thing... Basically just an internal change.
+ Show Spoiler +I would assume it's a joke but it's not really funny if I think of it as a joke, so either you're not funny or you're telling the truth
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On April 01 2011 20:25 etheovermind wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 19:25 BaltA wrote:
a very sad day indeed... but bw is dieing and the same community is not there to support the admins.. so I did kinda expect it F u. You come here in an already depressing blog and tell us that BW is dying. Have you no decency?
BW is dying thread/blog number #232234234
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Sayle, just please don't put me and Astet next to others. If you don't know details, don't say untrue informations.
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
On April 01 2011 23:36 ICCUP.Messer wrote:
Sayle, just please don't put me and Astet next to others. If you don't know details, don't say untrue informations.
I will edit it to make it more clear, but it's still true that you both left ICCup. In fact, I seem to know more details than you by far and it really hurt that you would believe those claims so easily after working closely with me and nOoNe. Anyway, let's not go into that here.
Edit: I'd also like to note that the timestamp on this post is April 2, so if you're still not sure whether this is a joke or not, I can assure you it's completely serious.
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Sucks for foreign BW.
This is making me more incentivized to go and just join the Korean gateways with all the drama that's happening.
Plus the fact that I run into really good players all the time anyway. ><
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The group of people that were removed made so many positive changes to how iccup bw was run in the last year. I guess it's back to the old ways of egotistic kids running the show. Very disappointing news.
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Well... this just ruined my day. :[
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wow that sucks, I thought ISL would be motivational for iccup admins, but actually ...
well, I'll keep playing my favorite game there, but it's indeed disappointing.
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So basicly it was because yeszero IP banned Fless ?
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
On April 02 2011 01:33 Boblion wrote:
So basicly it was because yeszero IP banned Fless ?
Please don't make baseless speculations in this thread.
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Will you still be uploading VODs to the ICCupBW youtube/blip.tv?
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United States10328 Posts
ugh sad to see this happen... hopefully there aren't too many hard feelings and ICCup lives on!
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wow... : /
well iccup is kind of a joke right now, but even so, I play on it everyday and I was kinda hoping things would get better...
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On April 02 2011 02:21 Sayle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 01:33 Boblion wrote:
So basicly it was because yeszero IP banned Fless ? Please don't make baseless speculations in this thread.
Well since you aren't telling us the full story i had to check a bit on the Iccup forums and that's all i have found so
->On April 01 2011 21:58 Boblion wrote:
tell us what has happened ?
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
On April 02 2011 02:30 Versita wrote:
Will you still be uploading VODs to the ICCupBW youtube/blip.tv?
For the time being yes.
@Boblion: I already said in the OP that I won't do that. There's no way for me to provide a completely neutral account of events, and I don't want to start more arguments here. The point of this blog was just to inform the BW community that there has been a major change in ICCup administration that may or may not affect them.
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Oh drama.
I'm just as curious as Boblion at this point. ><
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that is kind of BS imo... Sayle and Noone seemed to be the more reasonable staff members, as opposed to some others i would not want to name.. hope they settle their differences
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Hopefully, iCCup will continue running as if nothings different, and the new generation of admins will support iCCup just as well as you guys did :d.
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lol. nOoNe seems to attract drama to where he goes. Drama should stay on USEast (Drama Hell. Dont join any clans)
but really, i hope iccup gets new admins.
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On April 02 2011 01:11 Trap wrote:
The group of people that were removed made so many positive changes to how iccup bw was run in the last year. I guess it's back to the old ways of egotistic kids running the show. Very disappointing news.
+1
For anything else, BaltA's comment is senseless. Anyone referencing ISL to Sayle and nOoNe leaving iCCup is thoughtless. ISL as a whole not only belongs to me, but is decisively affected by any changes in the head of the organization, as is anything in a structured society. Just wanted to make that clear after reading (?) posts relating to ISL.
Edit: I 100% agree with the trust fund child (Sayle) and Justin (nOoNe) leaving iCCup's team. Nothing changed with iCCup:BW since the beginning of time, more or less a bunch of immature egotistical raging children at the head, minus one. Only their image and micro-management changed over time, as positive admins like Sayle and nOoNe tried to alter the perception and operations of iCCup internally. Result: success. Them leaving: future failure. Random fact: the only reason AoV iCCup Starleague has "iCCup Starleague" in it, was as a favor to nOoNe. Sayle is also right in the fact that iCCup hardly contributed.
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On April 01 2011 19:32 XsebT wrote:
That's 5 (/6) people gone. One already replaced it seems? Not to diminish these amazing admins' work by any means, but this should be fixable.
You should probably post this on iccup.com as well and link to that application form. I'll gladly help out if I can, and I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way.
Other than that, thanks so much for your work to everybody mentioned! <3
if u want to help just check http://www.iccup.com/sc_staff.html and PM the SA of the section would u like to join and still help the community ....
About this thread ppl only see "bad" things and never see a good thing (even tough we are humans and somethime we make mestakes), admins get attacked by players every day and when we argue between each other it results to this...
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ISL = + Show Spoiler +International Star League
Reason why everyone quit = + Show Spoiler +JoeKim quit, then it was a domino effect. Clan League's premonition was sliced pushing iCCupCL towards the weary, lonesome road once traveled by only BWCL. 100,000 important accounts being deleted from the iCCup Database including my Admin account with 300+ crucial posts as well as my 113-33 [A] Keeper-JoeKim account. All of the admins were depressed that my handsomeness was no longer in the Staff. And that is obviously why everyone quit.
Reason why giraffes exist = + Show Spoiler +JoeKim uppercutted a horse.
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I think you messed up your third and second answers, Joekim. They should be swapped round.
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On April 02 2011 08:29 AfecksN wrote:
I think you messed up your third and second answers, Joekim. They should be swapped round.
HAHAHA, NEVER NOTICED THAT. IT CAN GO BOTH WAYS LIKE: + Show Spoiler +
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On April 02 2011 08:57 JoeKim wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 08:29 AfecksN wrote:
I think you messed up your third and second answers, Joekim. They should be swapped round. HAHAHA, NEVER NOTICED THAT. IT CAN GO BOTH WAYS LIKE: + Show Spoiler +
Then you'd only have ONE answer.
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Ex-Super Admin talking to New Super Admin
(10:48:25 PM) iCCup.Supreme: so what should i do?
(10:48:34 PM) Joe: talk to Mai-K hyung i guess
(10:48:42 PM) Joe: or see if any other SA has that access
(10:48:47 PM) Joe: and tell them you need it
(10:52:59 PM) iCCup.Supreme: well thanks for notifying me
(10:54:01 PM) Joe: np
(10:54:09 PM) Joe: let me know if it gets fixed
(10:54:13 PM) Joe: or i can talk to mai-k hyung
(10:54:22 PM) Joe: if you cant get it fixed by tomorrow's playoffs
(11:00:32 PM) iCCup.Supreme: oh yeah LUL
(11:00:40 PM) Joe: wait
(11:00:41 PM) Joe: you forgot
(11:00:43 PM) Joe: about playoffs?
(11:00:47 PM) iCCup.Supreme: lul
(11:00:49 PM) Joe: hahahahahahahahaha
(11:00:53 PM) iCCup.Supreme: shiet-_-
(11:01:00 PM) iCCup.Supreme: good thing i didnt go out for drink tonight
+ Show Spoiler +
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Hey. Don't make me re-train on BW and rape both your asses, whether you hack (cough Joe Kim) or not
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O_O give us drama plz plox
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
JoeKim please stop that. Supreme doesn't even have anything to do with all this. Go uppercut some horses or something.
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On April 02 2011 18:50 Sayle wrote:
JoeKim please stop that. Supreme doesn't even have anything to do with all this. Go uppercut some horses or something.
stop what, Sayle? it was a joke...i love Supreme, he was my favorite minion. i'm just pointing out the digression of iCCup's Staff. Supreme will do a great job, yet every branch will get seeded with inexperienced admins that were never given proper guidance; before undertaking the burdens that were bestowed by the cause-n-effect iCCup drama.
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Hmm... probably just bad timing, I think what JoeKim did was pretty innocent and more for a "lulz" than a "AH ICCUP DIE I HATE YOU".
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Cujo <3
You know we've known each other for 3 decades now? lol
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I don't blame admins for leaving, after the initial buzz from helping the community, the work is just work, and the abuse is just abuse.
Its less a question of if, but more of when you are going to leave.
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On April 03 2011 16:35 Kerotan wrote:
I don't blame admins for leaving, after the initial buzz from helping the community, the work is just work, and the abuse is just abuse.
Its less a question of if, but more of when you are going to leave.
+1
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Well... ehem.. yea that's it then I guess.
Though what will not change I guess is the awesomeness that is the Mature rated Sayle stream with noOne, Game, Tesla and JoeKim. Hell, Sayle I hope that you'll have a less of a burden to carry now and you'll have more time for the things you enjoy more in life (read: broodwar casts).
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On April 02 2011 08:24 JoeKim wrote:ISL = + Show Spoiler +International Star League Reason why everyone quit = + Show Spoiler +JoeKim quit, then it was a domino effect. Clan League's premonition was sliced pushing iCCupCL towards the weary, lonesome road once traveled by only BWCL. 100,000 important accounts being deleted from the iCCup Database including my Admin account with 300+ crucial posts as well as my 113-33 [A] Keeper-JoeKim account. All of the admins were depressed that my handsomeness was no longer in the Staff. And that is obviously why everyone quit. Reason why giraffes exist = + Show Spoiler +JoeKim uppercutted a horse.
So you're basically saying Joekim = chuck norris if I understand correctly?
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God, this is just sad. Very sad. :'(
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Wow who would have thought Sayle would end up getting fucked by Iccup TWICE despite his contributions.
And to to it off he GOT BANNED a few days ago.
Its a miracle he doesn't bad mouth the server all day.
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Sayle wasn't the only one fucked by ICCUP so was Kiante, Stratos, Sabas, me and a bunch of other people.
I really don't understand. Does ICCUP really want all this bad press? I mean I know that DOTA 2 is their primary game, but I don't think it's wise to generate bad press in any divison.
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