I think Grobyc is too lazy to deal with Gom's BS considering he's already got himself a new stream. Why would he go thru the hassle of dealing with them? GOM is trying to save face here, but it's clear they're not worth anyone's time. You're terrible GOM. I hope people stop giving you money. I can't believe there are people who don't even watch your awful streams but still give you money to 'support esports.' Have people lost their minds? It's sad for SC2 fans that they have to deal with such an incompetent organization.

Milkis

5003 Posts

March 11 2011 16:33 GMT

#142

On March 11 2011 20:30 GOMTV wrote:
We are unable to release the information (screenshot) since it is a personal information pertaining to the livestream user.

We are however able to provide the information to the user: grobycsstarcraftstream
upon the request of the user.

There could be times when mistakes are made. However, we are aware of the consequences that arise from falsely accusing a user as a company and at this moment we are certain that no mistake was made from our end. We would be glad to talk to the user if he wishes to talk to us in regards to this issue.

Basically they don't want to release screenshots probably because it would implicate them. Maybe it wasn't for GSL, but maybe it was for *gasp*, streaming BW -- after all, Gretech does have "exclusive" rights to broadcast Brood War from Blizzard, so technically they have that right.

Or maybe they can prove me wrong

floor exercise

Canada5847 Posts

March 11 2011 16:37 GMT

#143

The screenshot will definitely prove Grobyc was streaming GSL if their photoshop skills are anywhere near as good as their interview editing

carebear91

Singapore236 Posts

March 11 2011 16:57 GMT

#144

well.. if gom has a screenshot, i'm sure they should present it. like what kiante said, if it was already showing on stream why will a screenshot be private material?.

that aside, i'm glad to see grobyc has not quit streaming. i don't think he's guilty unless proven by the screenshot. then again, i dont think grobyc will do such a thing.

Pholon

Netherlands6142 Posts

March 11 2011 17:33 GMT

#145

1) "Material" with the gom logo was spotted? could it have been a TL page?
2) If the info on the screenie is private how did you get the screenie. Point has been raised before etc etc
3) To people saying we shouldn't meddle in something that "between Gom and Grobyc": For years and years people have struggled to get sound SC streams from Korea. Those people dedicated enough to stay up til 5 am have been such huge contributions to the TL community that we'll defend our case if someone takes a stab at them.

Kiante

Australia7069 Posts

March 11 2011 17:37 GMT

#146

Someone needs to make one of those meme's with the dude on the hat on backwards with a gom logo in it with the text "says they support esports............shuts down BW streams" or something like that. I would if i had the photoshop skills

ArvickHero

10387 Posts

March 11 2011 21:58 GMT

#147

If Grobyc were to say that it's fine to release of the screenshot, would you do so?

FractalsOnFire

Australia1756 Posts

March 12 2011 02:26 GMT

#148

Why couldn't grobyc just ask for the screenshot then repost it on here or something? Unless GOM wants to 'copyright' that as well ahahahahhahahahaha.

Fucking Jokes.

supernovamaniac

United States3048 Posts

March 12 2011 05:07 GMT

#149

Grobyc, you know what to do.

We all want to see the truth behind this incident. So please, unless its really private, can you tell us what's going on, or at least try to get the screenshot up?

nOIZEbuddha

164 Posts

March 12 2011 18:37 GMT

#150

Let's get the screenshot now.

Chill

Calgary26003 Posts

March 12 2011 23:26 GMT

#151

This thread is ridiculous. Post the screenshot or stop posting.

Redmark

Canada2129 Posts

March 13 2011 01:39 GMT

#152

To people saying we shouldn't meddle in something that "between Gom and Grobyc": For years and years people have struggled to get sound SC streams from Korea. Those people dedicated enough to stay up til 5 am have been such huge contributions to the TL community that we'll defend our case if someone takes a stab at them.

But surely if Grobyc has a problem with GOM's screenshot he'd just say so? What's the point of speculating about it?

alffla

Hong Kong20321 Posts

March 13 2011 02:36 GMT

#153

woahh wtf
come on grobyc give gom permission to post screenshot :S

Chef

10810 Posts

March 13 2011 02:46 GMT

#154

The point is that a lot of people hate GOM right now, and they're digging themselves deeper by having petty legal fights with huge contributors who actually care about ESPORTS. Grobyc is more or less a small fry, but we can't forget that Jon747 was shut down, that MBC Game and OnGameNet are being threatened... I won't claim to be too well informed on the topic, but GOM needs some serious PR help if they're going to be seen in a positive light. The only thing they seem to know how to do is make lame excuses.

supernovamaniac

United States3048 Posts

March 13 2011 02:55 GMT

#155

On March 13 2011 11:46 Chef wrote:
The point is that a lot of people hate GOM right now, and they're digging themselves deeper by having petty legal fights with huge contributors who actually care about ESPORTS. Grobyc is more or less a small fry, but we can't forget that Jon747 was shut down, that MBC Game and OnGameNet are being threatened... I won't claim to be too well informed on the topic, but GOM needs some serious PR help if they're going to be seen in a positive light. The only thing they seem to know how to do is make lame excuses.

Jon747 got a warning from GOM because of GOM Classic, not MBC/OGN/Proleague.

So no fek

United States3001 Posts

March 13 2011 03:04 GMT

#156

I supported GOM during season 1 of StarCraft II (and when they ran BW tourneys, I was sad to hear that Kespa basically killed them.) I would have been more than happy if BW and SCII could have coexisted, as it would strengthen the community overall and hopefully bring more attention to BW (for those who came in with SCII.) Once it became apparent that coexistence wasn't a possibility, I decided I would side with BW.

This shit with GOM, no matter what the deal really is, makes me think I made the right decision.

Chef

10810 Posts

March 13 2011 03:04 GMT

#157

Uh... I know that. But it wasn't a warning... It was... All his videos... literally 1000s... gone because he uploaded a video or two from GOM's league. To someone who has spent the last few years of his life tirelessly helping the foreign community enjoy ESPORTS, do you think that is a very nice way to treat him? No, that's called GOM having no presence of mind for the fans.

Anyway, I don't have any doubt that they have a legit screenshot with their logo in his stream... The point is that they could have easily warned him (like they could have easily warned jon747) and it would never happen again. Instead they make this a pain in the butt with this no tolerance stance, when they are still in a transitional phase with the community. Yeah, they have a legal right to do whatever they want with this, but that doesn't mean we as consumers have to accept it. We can say 'no, I don't want to support a company that destroys things I like and makes life hard for contributors I admire.'

supernovamaniac

United States3048 Posts

March 13 2011 03:19 GMT

#158

On March 13 2011 12:04 Chef wrote:
Uh... I know that. But it wasn't a warning... It was... All his videos... literally 1000s... gone because he uploaded a video or two from GOM's league. To someone who has spent the last few years of his life tirelessly helping the foreign community enjoy ESPORTS, do you think that is a very nice way to treat him? No, that's called GOM having no presence of mind for the fans.

It was 1 warning from GOM and 2 warnings from WCG.

On youtube, if you get 3 warnings you're out.