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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
GOM comes in and gives a reasonable post addressing the concerns, and instead of everyone just stepping back and saying "Ok, Grobyc, looks like GOM is willing to talk, sort the shit out!" you all jump all over GOM automatically assuming they're the bad guys. Not good. | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On March 11 2011 17:29 Dhalphir wrote: There is no need for TL users to defend Grobyc to GomTV. He's perfectly capable of going to them himself and disputing the takedown notice. But so far, he's pretty much flat out admitted he hasn't even bothered to do that much, and everyone has just jumped on the hate train along with him like a bunch of idiots. GOM comes in and gives a reasonable post addressing the concerns, and instead of everyone just stepping back and saying "Ok, Grobyc, looks like GOM is willing to talk, sort the shit out!" you all jump all over GOM automatically assuming they're the bad guys. Not good. The posts after gom posted have been asking for the screenshot, or an offtopic thing about jinro censorship. I haven't seen the screenshot yet, have you? | ||
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
The only response from TL users after GOM posted their explanation is "oh, okay. looking forward to seeing how discussions between Grobyc and you progress" or something similar to that. Anything else is irrelevant, its between GOM and Grobyc. | ||
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numLoCK
Canada1416 Posts
On March 11 2011 17:48 Dhalphir wrote: Addressing a reasonable explanation post with "screenshot or it didn't happen!" is a pretty clear example of jumping on GOM. The only response from TL users after GOM posted their explanation is "oh, okay. looking forward to seeing how discussions between Grobyc and you progress" or something similar to that. Anything else is irrelevant, its between GOM and Grobyc. What is wrong with a community acting together against unjustified actions taken against one of the members? | ||
Spazer
Canada8035 Posts
On March 11 2011 17:48 Dhalphir wrote: Addressing a reasonable explanation post with "screenshot or it didn't happen!" is a pretty clear example of jumping on GOM. The only response from TL users after GOM posted their explanation is "oh, okay. looking forward to seeing how discussions between Grobyc and you progress" or something similar to that. Anything else is irrelevant, its between GOM and Grobyc. I don't really see what the problem is here. If GOM has stated that they have proof, of course we're going to want to see it. Asking us to take their word at face value is silly when the image in question isn't even confidential information. Grobyc is a prominent streamer here on Teamliquid. Obviously we'd be concerned as to whether or not the accusations of restreaming were accurate. | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On March 11 2011 17:48 Dhalphir wrote: Addressing a reasonable explanation post with "screenshot or it didn't happen!" is a pretty clear example of jumping on GOM. The only response from TL users after GOM posted their explanation is "oh, okay. looking forward to seeing how discussions between Grobyc and you progress" or something similar to that. Anything else is irrelevant, its between GOM and Grobyc. what's wrong with asking for proof? I, too, would like to see the screenshot of Grobyc streaming GSL | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On March 11 2011 17:48 Dhalphir wrote: Addressing a reasonable explanation post with "screenshot or it didn't happen!" is a pretty clear example of jumping on GOM. The only response from TL users after GOM posted their explanation is "oh, okay. looking forward to seeing how discussions between Grobyc and you progress" or something similar to that. Anything else is irrelevant, its between GOM and Grobyc. gom posted publicly that they had proof. this issue affects everyone. Why should we sit quietly while "maybe grobyc and gom can talk". Why cant we ask for proof. Considering grobyc has been streaming BW for ages, and i've literally never seen him stream any sc2 garbage, i think the community is more than justified to see the screenshot. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On March 11 2011 17:42 Dhalphir wrote: it doesn't matter. we don't need to see the screenshot. The Only person WhO needs to be talking to Gom about Grobyc being banned injustly or not is Grobyc. And if he can't be bothered to do so himself, he obviously doesn't care that much, so why should we? Yea, we do. Grobyc to the best of his knowledge has never streamed GSL. GOM is claiming he did. Either GOM is blatantly lying, Grobyc someone accidently brought up a GSL stream at some point, or Grobyc is lying (highly unlikely). If GOM is blatantly lying that effects the community as a whole because it brings GOM's credibility into question, which unquestionably effects the entire community. As does Grobyc's stream. He regularly streams proleague and other events which make his stream relevant to more than just himself. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On March 11 2011 17:48 Dhalphir wrote: Addressing a reasonable explanation post with "screenshot or it didn't happen!" is a pretty clear example of jumping on GOM. The only response from TL users after GOM posted their explanation is "oh, okay. looking forward to seeing how discussions between Grobyc and you progress" or something similar to that. Anything else is irrelevant, its between GOM and Grobyc. Kiante and Mani asked politely for the screenshot. You are making things up. | ||
GOMTV
Korea (South)84 Posts
We are however able to provide the information to the user: grobycsstarcraftstream upon the request of the user. There could be times when mistakes are made. However, we are aware of the consequences that arise from falsely accusing a user as a company and at this moment we are certain that no mistake was made from our end. We would be glad to talk to the user if he wishes to talk to us in regards to this issue. | ||
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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
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TrainSamurai
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
The screenshot that is used as evidence for this lockdown of the public stream should not be kept as private personal information as the "incident" was shown publicly among the audience and by creating such a term of unable to reveal this information to the public also gives some skepticism to the GOMTV. Since they announced they made absolute no mistake whatsoever to this and Grobyc announced he made no mistake as well, this will need to be cleared up to see who is the right and wrong for the internet audience to make comments and remarks on, which may affect the entire community and the future of streamers. Clearly, we have three possible outcomes here: either GOMTV stating the truth and Grobyc have made a mistake in which the decision can be justiciable but the internet laws of Korea enforcing to countries outside of Korea being a problem itself (since the viewers are mainly international) or GOMTV has made a mistake which undermine their policies and give a negative attention and image to the company itself or GOMTV not making further action and neglect the need to review this situation. So in my opinion, this action itself have triggered a lose-lose-lose situation for GOMTV for affecting viewers all around the world as well as potentially discouraging potential consumers and donors for the company as well. | ||
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mustaju
Estonia4505 Posts
On March 11 2011 17:01 Ryo wrote: You said it was 9 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC), which is 9 Mar 14.45 KST, 2 days ago. What GSL match was on at that time? I bring this to attention again. It's highly unlikely that Groby restreamed GSL during a time where there were no GSL matches ongoing (at least according to the calendar) and BW matches were. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On March 11 2011 20:30 GOMTV wrote: We are unable to release the information (screenshot) since it is a personal information pertaining to the livestream user. We are however able to provide the information to the user: grobycsstarcraftstream upon the request of the user. There could be times when mistakes are made. However, we are aware of the consequences that arise from falsely accusing a user as a company and at this moment we are certain that no mistake was made from our end. We would be glad to talk to the user if he wishes to talk to us in regards to this issue. if it was publicly streamed (hence you want to take it down) why is it suddenly too private too release? this makes literally no sense | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
and this On March 11 2011 22:31 mustaju wrote: I bring this to attention again. It's highly unlikely that Groby restreamed GSL during a time where there were no GSL matches ongoing (at least according to the calendar) and BW matches were. | ||
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