• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 15:19
CET 21:19
KST 05:19
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners8Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon!33$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship6[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win9
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon! Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
[ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1820 users

FragKrag's Terran Adventures! Part 1

Blogs > FragKrag
Post a Reply
Normal
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 05 2011 04:29 GMT
#1
After about 6 or so months of playing Protoss, I have decided to switch back to Terran, which I played during beta. Protoss is just boring. Though I have complaints against the entire game in general, I feel like Protoss is what hurts my impression of StarCraft 2 the most, and there are really only 2 units that combined, makes most standard Protoss play (in my opinion) very bland.

The Sentry and the Colossus. I find the two units insanely boring. The sentry with its force field slows down the momentum of the game tremendously and I hate how my T1 army is completely balanced around the ability of the sentry to slow down the pace of the game to a crawl so I can tech to Colossus. While sometimes sentry play can be very 'awesome', I just wish my gateway units were more powerful so that there would be more micro involved rather than just splitting armies apart.

That leads me to my complaint against the Colossus: It's boring, and IMO overpowered. I don't like how my army almost always revolves around 3-4 gigantic monoliths that are the center point of every battle. I hate how the Protoss army is designed as a meatshield so that the Colossus can do the DPS. Zealots? Meatshield against marauders. Stalkers? Meatshield. Sentry? FF. Void Ray? Meatshield against corruptors. Phoenix? Viking Killer. I hate how little micro there is in a Pv matchup aside from dancing colossi, and making force fields.

It might just be me, but while I see a bunch of other races doing very awesome micro, I simply don't see many Protoss players executing the precise micro that makes the game exciting. This may be inherent in the nature of the Protoss race, but the utter lack of micro (in my opinion) in many cases makes playing Protoss very bland.

If anybody watched my stream for the 1-2 months I actually streamed, I'm sure they would know about how much I fucking despise PvP. In my opinion, it's the worst matchup. I don't know whether it has changed since the patch (I really doubt it has), but PvP has always been a shitload of bad Protoss players that just cheese, and win because they can cheese. Whether it's cannon rushing, blind luck proxy gates, or just some dumb Korean 4 gate all in. PvP is just overall a fucking terrible matchup. If it gets to late game, it just becomes some retarded colossus war, and the game is almost always decided by one battle because it's impossible to replace colossus quickly enough to defend a push from the opposing player who both has colossus and a fresh warp in of units. The fact that a '4 warpgate challenge' thread exists on TL is a testament to the stupidity of PvP and Protoss in general.

Terran to me feels like something new and fresh. I might get tired of playing Terran soon, but for now, it's amazing. I love trying to micro, multitask, harass, do different builds and just experiment to see what works.

I've played probably 25-30 games of Terran since switching races a few days ago and most of them (if not all) are in this rep pack!
[url blocked]
All aptly named based on my experiences in game!

Stuff I've tried to varying degrees of success are 12/14 Rax in TvZ, different Hellion Drops in TvP/TvT, Marine/Raven/Banshee in TvP, and maybe some other random shit. Criticism is welcome.

As far as playing goes, I actually have no idea what is right in TvZ or TvT. TvP I have a bit of an idea of, but the other two matchups I have done no research on so in just about every game I'm just winging it based on what seems logical/cool.

My Sc2Ranks graph which I suppose tells the tale of my StarCraft 2 adventures
http://sc2ranks.com/team/4071094#alltime

Oh yeah, and if you want to watch me fail at Terran, explain what I'm doing and the logic behind it,(and probably rage once in a while) I'm going to start streaming again!
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/FragKrag



**
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
February 05 2011 04:42 GMT
#2
Do the SK Terran vZ style!
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
February 05 2011 04:50 GMT
#3
I agree that colossus are boring as shit. Textbook example of a unit that was made with art design in mind over gameplay design.
Better than Pokebunny
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
February 05 2011 05:10 GMT
#4
On February 05 2011 13:50 Foreplay wrote:
I agree that colossus are boring as shit. Textbook example of a unit that was made with art design in mind over gameplay design.

Yeah. I'm getting same feeling :/
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-05 05:18:11
February 05 2011 05:16 GMT
#5
Kraggy! Do some awesome mech against Protoss, currently using mech in my TvP (I'm low diamond btw) but it works wonders in maps that has small cokes, lots of cliffs and hellions are fucking awesome against Protoss light units. 3-3 mech is a beast ^_^

Also, I agree, Collosus I think needs to be reverted back to the beta style in which it doesn't do that much DPS but a very powerful pew pew attack but very slow.

if you want something refreshing from TvT here's something pretty cool:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=189624 <-iEchoic's guide to TvT

might try it myself though.

in TvZ it's all about bio balls 3-3 and superior harass drops if you like that
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 05 2011 05:16 GMT
#6
currently streaming :D
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-05 05:35:55
February 05 2011 05:26 GMT
#7
Meh i have the same story than you. Started with protoss then got really bored by PvP ( 4gates or Colossus war -.- ) and PvT so i switched to terran, was kinda fun for a while but ultimately... i went back to bw.

TvZ is probably the best match up to play in Sc2 even if it is kinda boring to watch at the top level because there are way too many dumb allins.
TvT isn't too bad either. TvP on the other hand... :/
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
February 05 2011 05:46 GMT
#8
On February 05 2011 13:29 FragKrag wrote:
After about 6 or so months of playing Protoss, I have decided to switch back to Terran, which I played during beta. Protoss is just boring. Though I have complaints against the entire game in general, I feel like Protoss is what hurts my impression of StarCraft 2 the most, and there are really only 2 units that combined, makes most standard Protoss play (in my opinion) very bland.

The Sentry and the Colossus. I find the two units insanely boring.


I totally agree with this and I'm in the same situation myself.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Wartortle
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia504 Posts
February 05 2011 06:10 GMT
#9
i made the same switch for the same reasons. particularly how PvP is just who has the better 4 gate. sticking with terran now, lots of good micro and the onus is usually on you to take the game.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 05 2011 06:23 GMT
#10
God TvP is so insanely hard

TvZ as well, but TvP is just this insane uphill battle ;_;
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-05 06:24:24
February 05 2011 06:23 GMT
#11
Just played 3 terran ladder games. So fun lol.

Might make the switch with frag lolz

haven't had a tvp yet, except for the one where he had nothing and I rolled him lolz.

I can't figure out how many rax/starports/facts to hve off of 2-3 base. Keep on having a trust fund. Being broke. having a trust fund being broke etc
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-05 06:25:23
February 05 2011 06:23 GMT
#12
Such an insightful post, thanks for sharing!

I used to off race once in a while in team games or just random 1v1s but I agree that I found Terran to be the most fun - there is just so much you can do and you don't have to rely on just Force Fields or just getting a colossus, or as Zerg rely on just not dying to retarded crap. I've been fighting the temptation to take the hit in ranking and just switch to Terran, but sadly I might just take the leap.

TvT is also the most awesome mirror matchup IMO. It really can exemplify position wars instead of blob vs blob.
Photographer@shindags || twitch.tv/shindigs
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 05 2011 06:26 GMT
#13
I haven't actually played a full on TvT because I'm having too much fun with hellion drops and harassing

God I love being able to harass again.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
February 05 2011 06:27 GMT
#14
I usually switch races up time and time again. It seems like I always swing back to Terran because of the macro style and the things you can do with the units. Protoss is boring for me as well, I just can't get into them as much as Zerg or Terran. Good luck to you on your journey as a space viking!
Brood War forever!
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 05 2011 06:43 GMT
#15
I haven't tried to play zerg yet because I don't really like the race in general. Everytime I play it something just feels off so I never play zerg anymore

rofl
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
February 05 2011 06:45 GMT
#16
yeah, I'm going about 500 as terran. Lol, considering I've played toss as main.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
February 05 2011 08:38 GMT
#17
I did the exactly opposite as you, played Terran for some games then got bored so switch back to Protoss :/
Rillanon.au
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
February 05 2011 11:24 GMT
#18
5/5 for switching
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19151 Posts
February 05 2011 14:27 GMT
#19
If you're looking for a change, try a Jinro style macro game. It can be pretty hard to get to, since a lot of people on Battle.net like to cheese and rush and end games quickly, but they are incredibly fun.
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
JiSu
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)140 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-05 15:55:52
February 05 2011 15:55 GMT
#20
Yes, this is what happened to me too! I used to play Protoss in beta and when it released but it got so freaking boring. It always just revolves around some sentry play and colossus pretty much in all matchups.. Sometimes you'd include phoenix vs zerg or void rays against terran but mehh.. and the usual 4 gate.

So I decided to switch to Terran because of the variations you can do. Fast viking to snipe overlord, fast helions, fast dropships, fast banshee.. you can do much harass stuff with Terran while multitasking (which essentially will get you better at the game) whereas Protoss you just slow down the game until you get HT or Colossus out and pretty much own faces.

Yeah, macro games is fun but for me, those games take forever and I'm so exhausted after each game. I mean it's fun from time to time but I wouldn't be able to do it every single game because it's usually quite the same thing over and over again, especially in TvTs. So I try to end the game early with harass and stuff lol even though I know long macro games will help you with macro but mehh
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
February 06 2011 01:16 GMT
#21
On February 05 2011 23:27 tofucake wrote:
If you're looking for a change, try a Jinro style macro game. It can be pretty hard to get to, since a lot of people on Battle.net like to cheese and rush and end games quickly, but they are incredibly fun.

Yeah. I've been trying this a lot, and it's been really really quite epic.

Terran macro isn't any weaker.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 06 2011 21:33 GMT
#22
steam is online for the next hour or so :D
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
February 06 2011 21:56 GMT
#23
Hells yeses. I am getting on stream NAO
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
LAN Event
18:00
Stellar Fest: Day 1
Zoun vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
ByuN vs TBD
TriGGeR vs TBD
ComeBackTV 822
UrsaTVCanada551
IndyStarCraft 261
CranKy Ducklings203
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 261
White-Ra 237
UpATreeSC 97
JuggernautJason67
Railgan 51
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 176
Backho 50
sas.Sziky 49
Bale 7
League of Legends
Trikslyr51
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1119
pashabiceps998
byalli693
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu312
Other Games
Grubby2723
qojqva1653
Beastyqt772
B2W.Neo405
Mlord392
fl0m315
shahzam308
ToD109
C9.Mang0100
QueenE54
ViBE30
ZombieGrub16
OptimusSC210
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL134
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 46
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 13
• 80smullet 8
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 4385
League of Legends
• Nemesis3769
• imaqtpie2037
• TFBlade1052
Other Games
• Shiphtur241
• tFFMrPink 9
Upcoming Events
Korean StarCraft League
6h 41m
CranKy Ducklings
13h 41m
IPSL
21h 41m
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
LAN Event
21h 41m
BSL 21
23h 41m
Gosudark vs Kyrie
Gypsy vs Sterling
UltrA vs Radley
Dandy vs Ptak
Replay Cast
1d 2h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 13h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 15h
IPSL
1d 21h
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
LAN Event
1d 21h
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
1d 23h
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.