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So i'm gonna buy a new mouse as a Christmas gift for myself. There are too many choices that I couldn't decide.
mainly for sc2
grip type:claw grip
preferably no side buttons
i'm 5'9'' and can barely hold a basketball with one hand.
I did some search and this is what I get
-many people recommend MIE 3.0 but 400 DPI is too low for sc2?
-stay away from kinzu and xai as their sensors are horrible
-logitech mx518 seems ok but is it too big? considering that I'm using claw grip
oh and my previous mouse is diamondback 3g. it's quite a decent gaming mouse but nothing special that I like about it.
thanks in advance!
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maybe Razer Abyssus for rts games. reasons:
1. suited for claw grip
2. no side buttons
3. high dpi (i had 800dpi mouse and it was very slow in sc2, had to raise sens to 70)
4. good control, precision
5. acceptable price
apparently this mouse doesn't like some cloth-pads and people recomment Goliathus Control mousepad for it.
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Get a Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse, or maybe if you are feeling like splurging, then use a Intellimouse Explorer. The most basic mice are the best mice for starcraft.
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Microsoft Mini Optical or Logitech G1, but I doubt you can find these nowadays 
MS Basic Optical is fine too.
P.S. MX518 has side buttons.
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i really feel that the sensor issue is not that big of a deal for sc2 (maybe its just me). alot of players use really low quality mice and have no problems with it. just use what you feel would be comfortable for you. lighter mice seem to be better for sc2 though. lmo, g1, kinzu, salmosa, all are pretty light mice and seem to work quite well. i think you can find the lmo on amazon, as well as the kinzu. the g1 and salmosa you can probably find on ebay though (if you have paypal)
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- 400 DPI is too low for sc2? No it isnt
- kinzu and xai have horrible sensors - No they dont, a lot of top players in CS or even in SC use em
-logitech mx518 seems ok but is it too big? - its one of the best choices you have
I would go for some Logitech G(number that has side buttons, nice DPI and dont worry you will have no problem to hold it with your little hand and its really comfortable for everyone even for fingergriperz.
DeathAdder - is even better its good for fingergriperz i really recomend to try it in shop dont worry to ask.
Abyssus - MOST EPIC EXCELENT CHOICE, my best mouse, im fingergriper and im so fucking happy with it. some ppl will tell about some problems with cloth pads but i dont have any its soooooooooooooooooooooo awesome !
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newegg was selling the g9x for $35 last week or something. it's pretty much built for claw grip and plus you could be pwning so fly like a G9!
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Whenever I hear the mx518 mentioned and everyone raving about, I'll at least say I had a negative experience. I think it is cumbersome, nay, gargantuan. I use a Logitiech mini optical but that's a pretty basic mouse to get as a gift for yourself.
I use fingertip grip, as in only fingers touching the mouse and not any other part of my hand. And that didn't work for mx518. Maybe claw is okay but I would say NO for fingertip.
I use my dad's computer a lot and it has an MS 1.1. That is still a little large for fingertip but is fine for claw. But again, old basic sensor so you'd have to jack up sensitivity. It's not like I have trouble clicking small units or anything though.
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On December 08 2010 17:54 NIIINO wrote:
- 400 DPI is too low for sc2? No it isnt
Really? I use my Kinzu at 800 DPI and 54% in-game sensitivity and the mouse still feels a bit slow (1024x768 resolution, 15'' monitor).
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Kinzu and Xai aren't bad mice for RTS games, because the acceleration they have doesn't really have an impact. If you play FPS-games that are big on skillshots or rocket jumps, you may have to look elsewhere, though.
The MX518 isn't too big for a claw grip. I used an MX510 which has the same shape with a claw grip for years, and didn't have any problems. I've since then turned to laser-mice because I'm a giant sucker for looks, but the MX518 is a very good contender.
The popular choices for SC2 are the Diamondback, Abyssus, and to some extent the Deathadder (Can't recommend it for claw-grip at all, though) from camp Razer, or the G1, G3, G5, G500, G9x, and MX518 from Logitech. Some professionals (mostly those sponsored by Steelseries) use the Kinzu for SC2, but I haven't heard of any big names using a Xai. The Kinzu remains a top performer for SC2 (IdrA uses one, for example) and would fit your needs (small, no side buttons).
You will have to try ebay to get ahold of the G1 or the G3, so keep that in mind. The G3 has side buttons, so the G1 might be the better of the two.
I can't comment on the quality of Microsoft's Sidewinder mice, although the sidewinder keyboards are top-of-the-line as membrane gaming keyboards go (Still no match for mechanical boards, IMO). I've mostly used the older intellimouse explorer 3.0 optical from Microsoft, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to use with a claw grip. That mouse is designed for the palm users.
The MS 1.1 is a great mouse for quake and other older FPS games, but I feel the low DPI it has doesn't cut it for SC2. You start to get all kinds of weird acceleration if you mess around with the ingame or windows sensitivities, so lower DPI mice don't perform as well as they could for RTS-games in general. Then again, the actual feel of the mouse is more important than the sensor it has for many people, so the MS 1.1 may be just what you're looking for.
I currently use a Razer Imperator (it was on sale so I got it for dirt cheap) with 2400-3200 dpi, 6/11 windows sensitivity and 51% SC2 sensitivity on a 1920x1080 resolution. It's shaped like an MX518, although it's not quite as sloped, which makes it somewhat better for a claw-grip. If the side buttons happen to get in the way, you can move them a little bit which can be a big improvement over the deathadder if you're really into ergonomics, but I haven't really needed to use that gimmick. The Imperator is a very bad choice if you tend to pick up your mouse in FPS games, and I've had a lot of trouble with rocket jumps in TF2 after making the switch. For SC2 and RTS in general where you tend to use higher sensitivity and jump around the battlefield by double tapping hotkeys, I don't have any complaints about it. You might, though, as the Imperator is somewhat large (not quite Deathadder large, but still).
My first recommendation would be the Razer Abyssus, but I may be slightly biased toward mice with blue led-lighting, so take it with a grain of salt. It's small, doesn't have side buttons and should be ergonomic for a claw-grip. Failing that, I'd suggest a G1, then a Kinzu, Diamondback, G9x, Imperator and finally a MX 518 (although it's somewhat big and has side buttons, it's still good) in that order. The Diamondback you have now is still a good performer for RTS, so if you don't find a new mouse that fits your tastes, don't feel bad. 
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On December 08 2010 17:54 NIIINO wrote:
- 400 DPI is too low for sc2? No it isnt
Can someone explain this to me? I don't quite get it.
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On December 10 2010 08:00 BnK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 17:54 NIIINO wrote:
- 400 DPI is too low for sc2? No it isnt
Can someone explain this to me? I don't quite get it.
When you up mouse speed in windows, what it does is make the cursor skip pixels. So with bigger resolutions, you need to skip more pixels which means less accuracy. But this is somewhat offset by the fact that if you double the resolution of your game, each unit takes up twice as many pixels. So if you double mouse speed so it skips twice as many pixels, the net outcome is the same somewhat. This is still worse than having mouse speed at 6/11 and 51% in SCII and still having enough speed, because then you'll skip no pixels and have perfect accuracy.
Also, higher mouse speeds give rise to strange cursor behavior. I'm not an expert but software has to "decide" how to translate the input from the mouse into faster movement if you up mouse speed, and doesn't do a perfect job.
Someone can definitely correct this but the basic idea is, lower DPI = less accuracy, but as long as your cursor moves at a playable speed, skipping even something like 4 pixels won't make it hard to target SCV's. So I guess it depends on what you can tolerate and what you play well with.
But obviously, comfort is really important just like resolution.
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When you buy a mouse, after 2 weeks with the mouse, you do not notice it at all. Which is what a mouse is supposed to do. Too many people buy a mouse, spend a day or so with it and decide it's wrong. If it's a mainly palm mouse, don't try to claw it. Palm the mouse. Do that for at least 2 weeks. Tell me that it's still uncomfortable. Chances are you won't notice it at all.
Pick a mouse that you think will last you a long time, or that looks good (not recommended). Don't spend hours and days fretting about it. Then give the mouse time for you to acclimatize. Almost mice are preference. Specifications hardly matter, especially in Starcraft.
If the tracking is terrible, try another mouse pad. Usually fixes it. Unless the mouse is broken.
Also remember that most of the time on these forums, you'll get people who are responding on their own preferences. They suggest or recommend a mouse based on what they've used. It's to be expected, so don't trust everything, even this. Use your own judgment.
There shouldn't be any thing special about the mouse after you use it for a while. That's the purpose of a mouse. And extension of your arm. You don't marvel at your arm, I hope.
DPI does not matter. Like I said, you'll get used to it. It is in no means an accurate way to tell whether to mouse is good. And they're all usable if you simply give one a chance.
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