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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
October 24 2010 16:03 GMT
#21
Imo the site should just be split in two sections entirely, because this isn't really working out. It's very frustrating as a starcraft player having not only to deal with bad news every time I read the bw forums but also getting a bunch of sc2 players telling me bw dying is only due by now.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
October 24 2010 16:09 GMT
#22
On October 25 2010 00:04 alypse wrote:
Show nested quote +
if Blizzard succeeds in an injunction to stop MBC (and possibly OGN) from broadcasting BW, then there may be no more reason for me to visit Teamliquid


same here


Unfortunately, same here as well.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
maga33
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States247 Posts
October 24 2010 16:35 GMT
#23
I've been a lurker since 2004. Finally made an account a year or two back. So sad :'(
The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
October 24 2010 16:39 GMT
#24
Well, as someone who has been around this site since 2003 I can tell you that I pretty much got out of the SC:BW about 2years ago and have had no interest at all in SC2, but I still find myself here everyday checking the forums. The site has so much more to offer than just SC/SC2. Though, that is the biggest part of it.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 16:50:14
October 24 2010 16:49 GMT
#25
Thanks man! But, I don't actually know Korean.

EDIT: I guess I did "translate" this, though.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
cocoa_sg
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore296 Posts
October 24 2010 16:50 GMT
#26
On October 25 2010 01:39 tonight wrote:
Well, as someone who has been around this site since 2003 I can tell you that I pretty much got out of the SC:BW about 2years ago and have had no interest at all in SC2, but I still find myself here everyday checking the forums. The site has so much more to offer than just SC/SC2. Though, that is the biggest part of it.


Yes, you are right, Teamliquid is also an awesome community for news headlines and interesting topics not in any way related to the SC universe. That is why I put in "at least for an indefinite time" =P.
Member of the "Afrotoss be rapin" crew ! Join now by copy/pasting this - || - I do not play BW or SC2, but I am a rabid fanboy! =D
cocoa_sg
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore296 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 17:06:48
October 24 2010 16:52 GMT
#27
On October 25 2010 01:49 motbob wrote:
Thanks man! But, I don't actually know Korean.

EDIT: I guess I did "translate" this, though.


Hehe, I guess it was a mistake on my part. I cannot remember all the names as possible anyway, and I must have mixed yours up. But YES, your name is so familiar to me! I just cannot put it right. =)
Member of the "Afrotoss be rapin" crew ! Join now by copy/pasting this - || - I do not play BW or SC2, but I am a rabid fanboy! =D
Graham
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 17:03:53
October 24 2010 17:00 GMT
#28
I definitely agree. There's always someone who hops into the Gretech/etc negotiation threads and starts telling everyone how BW should just die etc etc.

Another thing that drives me nuts is the "wall" between diamond players and non-diamond players in the SC2 section. It feels like regardless if the bronze/silver leaguers are asking for some solid advice or just have some good ideas, they're instantly ostracized/criticized because of the fact that they aren't 1700+ diamond.



edit: Reminds me of the WoW PVP forums where if anyone with an arena team lower then like 1800 says anything, the entire thread dissolves into "LOL NICE ARENA TEAM" x 10. =/
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9530 Posts
October 24 2010 17:32 GMT
#29
Juggling between quality and quantity is a hard task indeed and very few can be successful in both.

It will be even harder to maintain quality of forums if BW survives all this bullshit it's in and all leagues continue, because the difference of average BW and average SC2 player is getting so huge. If this happens, TL will indeed feel like a different place (it already does to some). The biggest problem is usual overprotective attitude of BW players "we were here first" and overly disrespectful attitude of SC2 players "i don't care about anything, just give me some IdrA rage to watch".

Anyways, it will be interesting to see how TL looks like in a year.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
October 24 2010 17:48 GMT
#30
Well I'm sorry I'm probably contributing to the sc1 vs sc2 thing but uninformed sc2 noobs going into BW topics and making completely ridiculous unsubstantiated statements is really irritating.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
alexpnd
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1857 Posts
October 24 2010 17:51 GMT
#31
You should start your own teamliquid with the "old school teamliquid feel" , maybe call it, teamsolid.
www.brainyweb.ca //web stuff!
sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
October 24 2010 18:19 GMT
#32
As a BW fanatic respectfully waiting for SC2 to show promise, I am curious where TeamLiquid will go. My sense is that the higher-ups are either trying to push SC2 for integrative and monetary purposes, or are unsure of what to do. It's not secret that TL has found a way to generate more funds, which is fine by me, we are provided an excellent service in an anglophone Starcraft community. What bugs me is what feels like BW being pushed to the fringes of the website, and almost to the point where TL's admins want it to go away.

I doubt this is the case, but I think a letter to the community would be appropriate. I appreciated the post when the website was redesigned, but a post regarding the direction of the website would be much-welcomed. Just because there's a bunch of money in SC2 at the moment does not mean we as community members should care. I've never felt that e-sports will develop into some huge thing, so maybe I'm missing the enthusiasm that the admins feel, but the supposed freshness and vitality of SC2 appears stale and forced. I say this as a BW fan since 2005, so I did not experience BW's ascendancy, so potentially this initial enthusiasm will be tempered and modified as the scene becomes clearer.
Hi Mom
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
October 24 2010 18:39 GMT
#33
I think the [SFW] Random pics that make you laugh thread is enough reason to stay on TL, heheheh. Although I must say, the [NSFW] one was much more fun before it got shut down...
[TLMS] REBOOT
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 18:49:35
October 24 2010 18:42 GMT
#34
On October 25 2010 01:39 tonight wrote:
Well, as someone who has been around this site since 2003 I can tell you that I pretty much got out of the SC:BW about 2years ago and have had no interest at all in SC2, but I still find myself here everyday checking the forums. The site has so much more to offer than just SC/SC2. Though, that is the biggest part of it.


Amen. General and Blogs have really been the only places I post. I find really no interest in reading SC2 strategy posts...

And I'm not well versed enough on the Korean proscene to comment on Proleague and stuff like that.

Edit: Also. No. It's not unrecognizable. Things aren't as bad as you think they are. Sure there's flaming, but that's an inevitable reality when two forces clash together. Let it be, because it's gonna get better.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
October 24 2010 18:53 GMT
#35
Well for the time i've been here everything has pretty much been the same... there's alot of shit and alot of awesome. Maybe a little more of the former nowadays but still just as much awesome.
RoarMan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada745 Posts
October 24 2010 18:57 GMT
#36
On October 25 2010 01:39 tonight wrote:
Well, as someone who has been around this site since 2003 I can tell you that I pretty much got out of the SC:BW about 2years ago and have had no interest at all in SC2, but I still find myself here everyday checking the forums. The site has so much more to offer than just SC/SC2. Though, that is the biggest part of it.

Yeah I've been a huge fan of the General and Blogs around here, some good reads

It does upset me greatly the the division between Sc2 and BW players at times, I think they're both fantastic games and I truly do believe that both games can co-exist together, although for some people this is an idea they loathe.

The Sc2 forums as of late have been so bitterly disappointing however, even the "IM IN DIAMOND LOOK EVERYONE" threads have been returning.......
All the pros got dat Ichie.
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
October 24 2010 19:04 GMT
#37
On October 25 2010 02:00 Graham wrote:
I definitely agree. There's always someone who hops into the Gretech/etc negotiation threads and starts telling everyone how BW should just die etc etc.

Another thing that drives me nuts is the "wall" between diamond players and non-diamond players in the SC2 section. It feels like regardless if the bronze/silver leaguers are asking for some solid advice or just have some good ideas, they're instantly ostracized/criticized because of the fact that they aren't 1700+ diamond.



edit: Reminds me of the WoW PVP forums where if anyone with an arena team lower then like 1800 says anything, the entire thread dissolves into "LOL NICE ARENA TEAM" x 10. =/

I couldn't agree more. With all these "how to manage rage?" threads and such it seems to me that a lot of SC2 players have this illusion that they are or should be entitled to being "good". That strikes me as a really childish, egoistic behavior that doesn't really belong in competition. Anyone who's an amateur at anything remotely difficult like Go, photography, or triathlons always knows that he's, in some respects, just plain bad and in need of improvement. Even the best of the best like Flash always mention how they need more practice.

And then these silly posters attach their inflated egos to some sort of superiority complex. It makes absolutely no sense; how is comparing oneself to a demonstrably inferior player in any way useful to improving your own results? Did Edmund Hillary gloat about his ascent to the highest peak in New Zealand and tell other mountain climbers to stfu when planning his expedition to Mt. Everest?

I remember the BW community was always helpful in some way or another even to D level players posting replays for help, as long as they presented well written OPs and inquiries. Then again, the BW strat forum was low population, didn't move quickly, and was not inundated by random theorycrafting threads.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
October 24 2010 19:29 GMT
#38
To be honest - the SC2 "fans" invading BW threads are easy (for me) to ignore.

The real problem now is that relatively rare good posts are drowned out by the mounds of crap spewed by people who are not informed about the topic of discussion (whatever it is) and don't try to even become slightly informed before posting. I hardly read general nowadays, when it used to be one of my favorite sections. Reading TL truly does make you less intelligent now, I'm really trying to ween myself off this site, or at least visit far less often (but not before I post the project I've been working on).
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
October 24 2010 19:40 GMT
#39
On October 25 2010 01:49 motbob wrote:
Thanks man! But, I don't actually know Korean.

EDIT: I guess I did "translate" this, though.

I went through the thread and found this hilarious post
On April 01 2009 08:41 infinity21 wrote:
There's no class in fooling these hapless people who trust in everything they read on the internet. When you look back a year later, people will never go, "oh yeah, do you remember when motbob completely had us fooled for a whole day? that was hilarious". In a week, this thread will disappear into the depths of the TL database, never to be brought up again. You will never be known as 'that guy' who made the epic April Fools thread. I'm sorry I had to say it, but it's the truth.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 19:50:48
October 24 2010 19:49 GMT
#40
- Thank you, Plexa, for your Power Rank. (However, inaccurate it can be =P)

Hahaha and Thank You good sir for reminding me to check this month's Power Rank("However, inaccurate it can be" xD) I want to thank DrH for his great girl pic blogs and The Great Penguin for his great pics. I also want to thank the TL.net staff for being so good to us and the great casters (HD,Husky, the Plott brothers and their Mother, along with many others) as well as the people the OP has already thanked and Chill and Kennigit and any other staff members that helped in the TL.net sponsored SC2 Beta Key contests. May TL.net be thanked! Also thank you for this great music that I still listen to ,
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
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