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Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-15 09:11:20
September 29 2010 00:23 GMT
#1
...just kidding. I could never leave TL for good. But I am going to be cutting down on Starcraft immensely for the coming school term. Why? Well, of course there is a lot of work to be done. And then there's the need of actually having a social life beyond IRC. Also, there are a lot of real-life problems (no, not problem sets lol) that I need to deal with. But above all, for me, the game has lost its charm. I'm not trying to be a martyr when I say this, because I know that I am an insignificant player in the whole scheme of things, and my words should not and will not have an impact on anyone. I am just saying what I truly feel about where the game is currently at, and where it's headed.

If you're reading this blog, you probably already know that I play Zerg. If you think this is going to be a Zerg QQ thread, then you might as well stop reading right now, because, to some people, it may very well be. Throughout the beta, Zerg got hit with nerf after nerf. Some of these nerfs were called for, some were not. Some went overboard, some were small pushes that compounded into a significant change. Some changes were completely nonsensical, and as a result, some of those changes got reversed entirely. The point is that even beyond balance, Blizzard was aware that there was something wrong with the race, and during the beta they were still experimenting with ways to make it "complete." They tried putting spells on the overseer, shifted around spells on the corruptor and the infestor, did a complete rework of the ultralisk, even towards the very last days of beta testing. But in the end, they only had ten units to work with, to make a complete race. Ten extremely underwhelming units.

As I have said before, the current state of Zerg is that it relies on its macro mechanic to win games. For the most part, the actual units that Zerg has to work with do not contribute to the win (currently the only exceptions are brood lords and banelings in a few situations) - in fact, in some situations, the Zerg must actually overcome the fact that the units available to them are just bad for the situation with pure macro. The problem is that Zerg just has less options to work with, and thus may or may not have a viable "solution" for a particular situation. In fact, Blizzard has actively been patching away from Zerg options (for example, neural parasite and the corruptor's old corruption). But still, upon the game's release, I was hopeful because I thought that Blizzard would do something about the race. Not necessarily buff the units, but just give more options. Unfortunately, though Patch 1.1 addressed some balance issues, it did nothing with the deeper issues of the race. And the worst part is that Blizzard seems content with the results, with 1v1 play as a whole. It really disappoints me that now Blizzard just seems to be focusing on changes based on tweaking numbers so that at the end, we'll see roughly even statistics across the board. They do not seem to care whether or not Zerg is a "complete" race, and though "drastic" changes are likely required to keep the race not only competitive, but interesting to play, in the long run, Blizzard is explicitly staying away from them because the game has already been released. In the end, the race that was left unfinished during the beta is left largely unchanged in the release. And I don't want to wait for a fix that will never come.

So yes, I've given up on SC2 for the time being. I just don't see it having "longevity" that Dustin Bowder is so fond of talking about. Unless change happens, the extremely large pool of talented Zerg players will start running into brick walls. There's just too little to experiment with. And the stance Blizzard has taken on this issue doesn't offer any promise or hint of change.

Also, I hate that every single time the something Blizzard didn't intend to have in the game is discovered, it gets patched immediately, regardless of whether or not it has the potential to actually improve the state game.

@Plexa and riptide: I will still be available to discuss the article assignment via PM or MSN.

http://caltechrankmaniac2012.wordpress.com/

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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
September 29 2010 00:26 GMT
#2
gimme your MSN/gchat
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 00:29:15
September 29 2010 00:29 GMT
#3
I prefer watching C- players play iccup broodwar than watching GSL!
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3546 Posts
September 29 2010 00:29 GMT
#4
I understand a lot of your points, I'm mostly hoping that the expansions can give it the depth and longevity that starcraft 1 had. Good luck in your studies!
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8108 Posts
September 29 2010 00:32 GMT
#5
i think one of the main reasons i dont play sc2 is becuase of how much they assraped zerg. there's just not a single interesting unit in the race now :\
Free Palestine
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
September 29 2010 00:40 GMT
#6
Nooo who would I practice TvZ with now?
Official Entusman #21
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
September 29 2010 00:44 GMT
#7
Ok I hate SC2 but honestly maybe they are just saving up for the expansions. If they introduce new units now, they will have less to work with in the expansions. Also, new units will probably completely modify even non-1v1 aspects of the game like campaign. So, think of it as Blizzard's extended marketing tool to get people to buy the expansion where they will introduce some cool-ass units to SC2 and claim that it is finally balanced!
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
FiBsTeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States415 Posts
September 29 2010 00:45 GMT
#8
Please tell me you'll be there for our showmatch with Caltech!! We must have our revenge!
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
September 29 2010 00:48 GMT
#9
On September 29 2010 09:29 thedeadhaji wrote:
I prefer watching C- players play iccup broodwar than watching GSL!

QFT
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
September 29 2010 00:51 GMT
#10
On September 29 2010 09:44 Murderotica wrote:
Ok I hate SC2 but honestly maybe they are just saving up for the expansions. If they introduce new units now, they will have less to work with in the expansions. Also, new units will probably completely modify even non-1v1 aspects of the game like campaign. So, think of it as Blizzard's extended marketing tool to get people to buy the expansion where they will introduce some cool-ass units to SC2 and claim that it is finally balanced!


don't you find anything wrong with that mentality?

it's like they purposely made a bad game so they can charge you 30 dollars for a fix -_-

ohhsuup
Profile Joined July 2008
64 Posts
September 29 2010 00:54 GMT
#11
Saracen,

Can you please be a little bit more specific? Is it only Zerg that is flawed or all of the races or Starcraft 2 as a whole? What about Zerg would you change? What are your thoughts about OCs, Queens, and Chronoboost? Don't you think these are too close to "heros" that we see in WC3?
Ma Jae Yoon Fighting
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
September 29 2010 01:05 GMT
#12
On September 29 2010 09:51 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 09:44 Murderotica wrote:
Ok I hate SC2 but honestly maybe they are just saving up for the expansions. If they introduce new units now, they will have less to work with in the expansions. Also, new units will probably completely modify even non-1v1 aspects of the game like campaign. So, think of it as Blizzard's extended marketing tool to get people to buy the expansion where they will introduce some cool-ass units to SC2 and claim that it is finally balanced!


don't you find anything wrong with that mentality?

it's like they purposely made a bad game so they can charge you 30 dollars for a fix -_-


Everything is wrong. I hate SC2, and this new direction for Blizzard. I don't play. And it's 60 dollars afaik lol~

I wasn't saying I agree with it. I said there is some semblance of dark corrupt hope for the people who care enough to stick around.
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
September 29 2010 01:06 GMT
#13
On September 29 2010 09:26 Milkis wrote:
gimme your MSN/gchat

Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
September 29 2010 01:07 GMT
#14
On September 29 2010 09:51 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 09:44 Murderotica wrote:
Ok I hate SC2 but honestly maybe they are just saving up for the expansions. If they introduce new units now, they will have less to work with in the expansions. Also, new units will probably completely modify even non-1v1 aspects of the game like campaign. So, think of it as Blizzard's extended marketing tool to get people to buy the expansion where they will introduce some cool-ass units to SC2 and claim that it is finally balanced!


don't you find anything wrong with that mentality?

it's like they purposely made a bad game so they can charge you 30 dollars for a fix -_-




Well, after reading the article about Kotick saying that nowadays, you can charge up to 500$ dollars for a game...*

And who would buy an expension if there wasn't any major improvement, only a new average quality campaign mode. IIRC, the expension is 60$, not 30
There is indeed something wrong with this mentality, but I'm afraid that's what Blizzard has planned for us :|

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In the last cycle of videogames you spent $50 on a game, played it and took it back to the shop for credit. Today, we’ll (charge) $100 for a guitar. You might add a microphone or drums; you might buy two or three expansions packs, different types of music. Over the life of your ownership you’ll probably buy around 25 additional song packs in digital downloads. So, what used to be a $50 sale is a $500 sale today.
ॐ
huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
September 29 2010 01:10 GMT
#15
I swear I read an article today saying you were joining a team >_>
skating
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 29 2010 01:10 GMT
#16
Holy crud you gave me a heart attack with that "Goodbye TL". Spunky Fadunky.

Sad to see another good zerg bite the dust. But alot of your points are valid, I'm really hoping that by Legacy of the Void it will be amazing.

But perhaps SC2 is simply Icarus, trying to fly too close to God and crashes defeated. As of now, I don't know.
riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
September 29 2010 01:16 GMT
#17
Don't kid yourself. You don't need a social life beyond IRC.
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blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
September 29 2010 01:18 GMT
#18
My heart nearly stopped when I saw this blog was by you! I would've been really sad to see you go D=

I don't have SC2, so I don't think that I can make a sound judgment on the balance of the game. Though I think that from what I have seen, I kinda agree with you about what you say. Well then, good luck in school and whatnot this year!
I like haikus and / I can not lie. You other / brothers can't deny
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
September 29 2010 01:25 GMT
#19
On September 29 2010 10:16 riptide wrote:
Don't kid yourself. You don't have a social life beyond IRC.

keke

Also, you know that you want to BW again~~
Moderator。◕‿◕。
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 01:30:34
September 29 2010 01:30 GMT
#20
The one thing is we are at the "Starcraft vanilla" phase of game development in SC2, not even at "early BW" yet, and with expansions coming, it's not going to be like this forever.

But yeah, what we have now seen as an almost final product is disappointing at best.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
HuK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1591 Posts
September 29 2010 01:35 GMT
#21
goodbye! hopefully you get everything sorted out and the game gets better, then come back! neways gl i hope you do well in school
ProgamerLive like a God or die like a Slave 11:11
SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
September 29 2010 01:37 GMT
#22
feel the same way. the game has lost its charm. i doubt i'll ever play sc2 again for a while...
♞ Your soul will forever be lost in the void of a horse. ♞
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
September 29 2010 02:04 GMT
#23
didn't u just join ig?
☆★☆ 7486!!! Join the Ban mOnion Anti-Trolling Initiative! - Caller | "on a scale of machine to 10, how bad is that Zerg?" - LZgamer | you are the new tl.net bonjwa monion, congrats - Rekrul | "Cheeseburgers dynamite lilacs" - Chill
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
September 29 2010 02:07 GMT
#24
Dude, gonna miss you more than I usually do. keep in touch.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
September 29 2010 02:13 GMT
#25
On September 29 2010 09:32 Ideas wrote:
i think one of the main reasons i dont play sc2 is becuase of how much they assraped zerg. there's just not a single interesting unit in the race now :\

we should start a club
brood war for life, brood war forever
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
September 29 2010 02:13 GMT
#26
TETRA NO

Add me on MSN/Facebook! pm for detaylz!
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SwEEt[TearS]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1575 Posts
September 29 2010 02:23 GMT
#27
On September 29 2010 11:04 mOnion wrote:
didn't u just join ig?


I was thinking the same thing o_O
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
September 29 2010 02:32 GMT
#28
On September 29 2010 10:16 riptide wrote:
Don't kid yourself. You don't need a social life beyond IRC.

riptide has spoken.

If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
September 29 2010 02:32 GMT
#29
On September 29 2010 09:29 thedeadhaji wrote:
I prefer watching C- players play iccup broodwar than watching GSL!

Same here man
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
September 29 2010 02:42 GMT
#30
On September 29 2010 09:48 Murderotica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 09:29 thedeadhaji wrote:
I prefer watching C- players play iccup broodwar than watching GSL!

QFT


This. Starcraft 2 is a boring spectator sport compared to watching even "amateur" (I sort of don't know how to put it...would C- be amateur on like...that pro level? Or would this be "Decent"? Damn...I don't know) players at Starcraft BW.

Good luck with school stuff!
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
September 29 2010 03:22 GMT
#31
On September 29 2010 09:51 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 09:44 Murderotica wrote:
Ok I hate SC2 but honestly maybe they are just saving up for the expansions. If they introduce new units now, they will have less to work with in the expansions. Also, new units will probably completely modify even non-1v1 aspects of the game like campaign. So, think of it as Blizzard's extended marketing tool to get people to buy the expansion where they will introduce some cool-ass units to SC2 and claim that it is finally balanced!


don't you find anything wrong with that mentality?

it's like they purposely made a bad game so they can charge you 30 dollars for a fix -_-



sounds a lot like how apple makes their products. seems to work for them.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 29 2010 03:27 GMT
#32
On September 29 2010 11:42 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 09:48 Murderotica wrote:
On September 29 2010 09:29 thedeadhaji wrote:
I prefer watching C- players play iccup broodwar than watching GSL!

QFT


This. Starcraft 2 is a boring spectator sport compared to watching even "amateur" (I sort of don't know how to put it...would C- be amateur on like...that pro level? Or would this be "Decent"? Damn...I don't know) players at Starcraft BW.

Good luck with school stuff!


I was watching Prozen play TvZ the other day and I was thinking... "man he's only C+?? wtf? I coudl watch this all day!"
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 03:50:09
September 29 2010 03:49 GMT
#33
Yep, for us SC1 players. SC2 cant even compare. Hope that the expansion for SC2 will do what Broodwar did for vanilla SC1. In vanilla SC1 Terran was unplayable. The current state of Zerg in SC2 is nowhere near that level, but at that time e-sport doesnt exist and people did not expect anything out of SC1 multiplayer.
Terran
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
September 29 2010 04:07 GMT
#34
I will eat you D:

You'll come running back to IRC soon enough >: ]
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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
September 29 2010 04:34 GMT
#35
Play random for fun at least. I've been playing all three races for a few days and it's better then zerg all the time. We chose the wrong race man T.T
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
September 29 2010 05:35 GMT
#36
I understand needing a break for IRL stuff, in fact I'm sort of in the same position myself. My suggestion for your gaming malaise is to go back to BW for a bit and wait for chat channels to come out in the next patch.
GL HF :D
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DeckOneBell
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States526 Posts
September 29 2010 07:17 GMT
#37
Hey, you don't know me, but I'm a general fan of your posting around TL. Sad to see you cut back. Any loss of a good poster is a loss in general.

Hopefully SC2 regains it's appeal for you eventually, but if not, to each their own.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
September 29 2010 09:28 GMT
#38
Damn, ill miss your articles and inquisitive posts. T.T
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Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
September 29 2010 11:39 GMT
#39
You were one of my favorite posters here on TL. Hopefully you'll come back soon.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
September 29 2010 12:30 GMT
#40
Damn it Saracen, the title scared the crap out of me.

I understand your need to focus on some real life stuff. I had to do the same a couple of times while participating in another active online community. I hope stuff gets sorted for you, and I hope StarCraft II gets fixed to the point where it's fun for you again.

Just don't leave for good. You're one of my favourite posters.
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R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-01 18:53:04
September 30 2010 20:50 GMT
#41
GL with school and such. Hopefully we will see you by the time HOTS rolls around Until then have fun watching Cool win the GSL! Cool Fighiting! Also what about Team DeCerto? o_O
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Atom Cannister
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Germany380 Posts
September 30 2010 21:48 GMT
#42
I don't know you but you seem like a very nice guy.

HF and GL in real life!
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Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
September 30 2010 22:55 GMT
#43
I will haunt your facebook

On September 29 2010 10:16 riptide wrote:
Don't kid yourself. You don't need a social life beyond IRC.


also this^ just look at shauni.
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
September 30 2010 23:26 GMT
#44
On September 29 2010 10:25 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 10:16 riptide wrote:
Don't kid yourself. You don't have a social life beyond IRC.

keke

Also, you know that you want to BW again~~

I'll be waiting for you
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Yoshimi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States163 Posts
October 06 2010 02:59 GMT
#45
Damn, it's a shame to see such a talented player go. D:

Good luck at Caltech, and I better see you during Thanksgiving (if not,then winter break).
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