• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:46
CEST 00:46
KST 07:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Rollback Netcode in Brood War655.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202621Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)78
StarCraft 2
General
[Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development 5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)
Tourneys
RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups $3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Ziemie's Starcraft 1 Prequel Campaign Mineral Boosting (2 workers/patch) Rollback Netcode in Brood War Sagi.gg Launcher Released
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Semifinal A [ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12173 users

Starting to feel the Artosis pain... - Page 2

Blogs > r33k
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
June 03 2010 01:38 GMT
#21
I thought Artosis always ranted about mech ZvT??

Thats what 90% of his tweets are about anyways.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
June 03 2010 02:02 GMT
#22
On June 03 2010 09:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
How about going through the rocks on Blistering Sands is that a cheese too? :D

thats the worst kind
Better than Pokebunny
Reuental
Profile Joined July 2009
United States457 Posts
June 03 2010 02:16 GMT
#23
On June 03 2010 10:24 Navi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2010 09:57 r33k wrote:
On June 03 2010 09:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
What's cheesy about 2 gating or dt dropping? They are openings that leave Protoss with plenty of options even if you don't die to them. This is just a worthless rant.

So did bunker rushing Z in BW, but people still called it cheesy.

On June 03 2010 09:57 dethrawr wrote:
the 1/1/1 opening is pretty versatile, why arent you using that?

For clarification, that is rax, fac, starport into reactor marine/tank/raven then transition into whatever you want

I've been trying that, 2gate seemed to hit before I could begin production but I was making a lot of marauders, I'll definitely try marine/tank/raven from now on. Marauders/reactor medivacs really give you a completely different income. Thanks.


I wouldn't compare bunker rushing to 2 gate, 2 rax (against zerg at least) would be a more apt comparison.

For myself, when I play against P, I scout after depot and spend a lot more care (than I did in SCI) at keeping my scout alive. By the time (if they do) get a stalker to deal with my scv, I usually see an important piece of their tech tree; if I feel they've been trying to trick me or delaying their tech buildings for a surprise switch, I scan shortly afterwards to confirm.

If you're really feeling the rage, try reaper rushing a couple of times. great for blowing off steam


Two rax was standard for so long. There is no way I would consider that cheese.
I'm a Crab made of men.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 02:53:56
June 03 2010 02:50 GMT
#24
On June 03 2010 10:38 Megalisk wrote:
I thought Artosis always ranted about mech ZvT??

Thats what 90% of his tweets are about anyways.

The traumas he felt in SC1 can't be forgotten...

btw I tried the 1/1/1 reactor marine/tank/raven combo, it's simply amazing. Also thanks a lot for the scouting advice, I could really feel the difference. It's extremely easy to shift-bash right click and it puts the opponent a little under pressure.
meteorskunk
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada546 Posts
June 03 2010 03:11 GMT
#25
if you really want to know what it feels like to play without any pressure on you, just play against a computer, you can play as standard as you want that way. sounds sarcastic but its how i learned to have sik control, just making my build orders tight as a tiger.

just have fun though man.. at first i hated getting 9 pooled on python in broodwar, but then one time i played while stoned and i realized that microing scvs in front of marines and still keeping my base going was actually really good fun. just feel the amazingness that is tiny micro battles, and remember that once you fight it off you're in good shape!
Girl Blog Credentials: Comfortable talking to some women. Tried the sex once
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 05:43:48
June 03 2010 05:42 GMT
#26
hohoho, a Terran, saying another race is inherently cheesy? oh please. Dont carry any of that pathetic artosis bias over from BW, terran is absolutely the cheesiest and most versatile race.
hi 6-9 rax reaper/maurader +shells, hi banshee rushes + cloak, hi bunker rushes, hi super fast hellion drops.
In fact, if a protoss is winning against you with cheese, you should commend him, since terran with wallin is basically uncheesable. (unless you count hidden void ray is cheese, thats pretty shitty to deal with as all three races)
EDIT: if you mean inbase cheese or something, well thats just something I havent faced with any race since patch 5ish :p
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
June 03 2010 07:44 GMT
#27
On June 03 2010 11:16 Crabman123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2010 10:24 Navi wrote:
On June 03 2010 09:57 r33k wrote:
On June 03 2010 09:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
What's cheesy about 2 gating or dt dropping? They are openings that leave Protoss with plenty of options even if you don't die to them. This is just a worthless rant.

So did bunker rushing Z in BW, but people still called it cheesy.

On June 03 2010 09:57 dethrawr wrote:
the 1/1/1 opening is pretty versatile, why arent you using that?

For clarification, that is rax, fac, starport into reactor marine/tank/raven then transition into whatever you want

I've been trying that, 2gate seemed to hit before I could begin production but I was making a lot of marauders, I'll definitely try marine/tank/raven from now on. Marauders/reactor medivacs really give you a completely different income. Thanks.


I wouldn't compare bunker rushing to 2 gate, 2 rax (against zerg at least) would be a more apt comparison.

For myself, when I play against P, I scout after depot and spend a lot more care (than I did in SCI) at keeping my scout alive. By the time (if they do) get a stalker to deal with my scv, I usually see an important piece of their tech tree; if I feel they've been trying to trick me or delaying their tech buildings for a surprise switch, I scan shortly afterwards to confirm.

If you're really feeling the rage, try reaper rushing a couple of times. great for blowing off steam


Two rax was standard for so long. There is no way I would consider that cheese.

That's the point.
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL Open Qualifier
04:00
Jungsu & Hasu #3
ZZZero.O138
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 11149
Artosis 442
White-Ra 192
ZZZero.O 138
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm161
League of Legends
Doublelift4992
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby4422
Other Games
summit1g8216
FrodaN2611
Liquid`RaSZi2001
C9.Mang0358
ToD269
Livibee197
Pyrionflax117
Maynarde64
Mew2King54
ArmadaUGS41
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1104
StarCraft 2
CranKy Ducklings0
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 135
• musti20045 35
• HeavenSC 32
• Sammyuel 28
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie1469
• Shiphtur643
• Scarra497
Upcoming Events
OSC
14m
Replay Cast
14m
OSC
13h 14m
WardiTV Weekly
1d 12h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Online Event
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Rush vs Soulkey
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
BSL Open Qualifier
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
BSL Open Qualifier
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
HCC Season 3

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.