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Trap
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States395 Posts
May 13 2010 23:48 GMT
#21
On May 14 2010 08:41 Jugan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 08:03 hyst.eric.al wrote:
flash hasn't revolutionized anything.


You mean aside from the fact that he brought the reign of the 6 dragons to an end with his double armory goliath build?


Or besides how he changed the way people play TvZ by moving out with MM before mutas popped to delay turret timings into a extremely tank heavy late game, starting in round 1 of Proleague...
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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
May 13 2010 23:48 GMT
#22
On May 14 2010 08:41 Jugan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 08:03 hyst.eric.al wrote:
flash hasn't revolutionized anything.


You mean aside from the fact that he brought the reign of the 6 dragons to an end with his double armory goliath build?


i think u got things mixed around, 6 dragons came to be after double armory build waned in effectiveness.

as for the OP: though it is perhaps inevitable that flash sinks back closer to the norm in terms of win percentage, i hope it's because of an overall rise in the skill level of the players than a reduction of flash's playing ability. i'm excited to see what kinda techniques other players will come up with to overcome flash.

if they can't and flash truly does have the game beat... then perhaps the time has come for bw to fade into obscurity. but i don't think that's the case just yet
manner
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24698 Posts
May 13 2010 23:49 GMT
#23
On May 14 2010 08:38 Jugan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 07:59 OneFierceZealot wrote:
god, hes not even that good... i mean look at other sports where teams/players go undefeated the whole season. flash loses about 1/5 of the time.


Do you understand how extremely hard it is to go undefeated? Have you ever heard the term "Any Given Sunday"? It's a term very easily applied to starcraft. If you don't know what it means, take a look at this brief definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=any given sunday

You say Flash loses 1/5 of the time, as if he's bad. It is nothing short of MIND BLOWING that he loses only 1/5 of the time, if not less. In order to win, you need to train incredibly hard. Factor in that he is the pillar of support for KT Rolster in the proleague, that he is in the finals of BOTH individual leagues, and that a game can be won or lost on the slightest misclick or half a second of blindness... Not to mention that he plays against the BEST OF THE BEST. They are called "PROGAMERS" for a reason... And aside from the fact that he has to play A LOT games on top of that (meaning he's obviously bound to lose some), just because flash may lose to somebody that he's "supposed to beat" (which, in reality, is everyone) doesn't make him "bad" or any less dominant.

Take a moment to think about that.

To add to this...

a team sport is much different than an individual game.
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ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
May 13 2010 23:51 GMT
#24
Your OP made me think about my perception of bw and it really popped in my mind that I simply don't get the feeling of tension and excitement when watching exactly because I compare everything to Flash's way of playing. The only mu that I can really enjoy now is PvZ. Nevertheless, I am incredibly excited about the upcoming finals, especially because of the possibility of Flash vs JD.
zerglingsfolife
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1694 Posts
May 13 2010 23:57 GMT
#25
Flash is obviously chobo. He can't even beat Nal Ra lol.

+ Show Spoiler +
I was cheering for Flash at the beginning of the series last night, but that was one of the most one sided rapes I've ever seen. It was actually depressing looking at Free as firebats sauntered over to his probes
Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crown and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 14 2010 00:08 GMT
#26
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GreggSauce
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States566 Posts
May 14 2010 00:13 GMT
#27
On May 14 2010 08:41 Jugan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 08:03 hyst.eric.al wrote:
flash hasn't revolutionized anything.


You mean aside from the fact that he brought the reign of the 6 dragons to an end with his double armory goliath build?


yeah I was about to say... but its beautiful how the game keeps getting deeper

i fear eventually its gonna end up to the point where no one builds a damn thing but workers because everything else has been "solved" lol

i'm watching flash v free right now and i'm loving it as much as i used to. i like this a lot, it makes it much easier to keep up with the good games

just watch anything with flash and you're going to see someone lose in a horrifying way
Must not sleep, must warn others
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
May 14 2010 01:08 GMT
#28
On May 14 2010 08:38 Jugan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 07:59 OneFierceZealot wrote:
god, hes not even that good... i mean look at other sports where teams/players go undefeated the whole season. flash loses about 1/5 of the time.


Do you understand how extremely hard it is to go undefeated? Have you ever heard the term "Any Given Sunday"? It's a term very easily applied to starcraft. If you don't know what it means, take a look at this brief definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=any given sunday

You say Flash loses 1/5 of the time, as if he's bad. It is nothing short of MIND BLOWING that he loses only 1/5 of the time, if not less. In order to win, you need to train incredibly hard. Factor in that he is the pillar of support for KT Rolster in the proleague, that he is in the finals of BOTH individual leagues, and that a game can be won or lost on the slightest misclick or half a second of blindness... Not to mention that he plays against the BEST OF THE BEST. They are called "PROGAMERS" for a reason... And aside from the fact that he has to play A LOT games on top of that (meaning he's obviously bound to lose some), just because flash may lose to somebody that he's "supposed to beat" (which, in reality, is everyone) doesn't make him "bad" or any less dominant.

Take a moment to think about that.


please dont act like you know shit. nothing short of mind blowing. rofl gtfo. there are tennis players who have 40+ win streaks, hell look at lance armstrong, going up against hundreds of people and still coming out on top consistently. someone has only broken SC when he goes undefeated. which will not happen. you people can call flash your bonjwa or w/e it means because yes he is doing better than savior but dont pretend hes some form of god. hell he gets beat by jaedong half the time. and when it mattered most he lost 3-1 to him. so shut the fuck up about it already. and as im reading this i see a little post called "how is flash doing so well" oh thats just great. "you do realize that he competes with the best of the best..." yeah and im pretty sure the every other professional athletes do the same for whatever sport they are in. dur dur dur dur.
loupouk
Profile Joined May 2003
France105 Posts
May 14 2010 02:12 GMT
#29
Fact is there is a luck factor which is more important in starcraft than in tennis, even I could win against flash with a lucky 4 pool against a 14 cc ( my winrate would be 0.001%), but I would never defeat a pro tennis player, not even once out one million games. Thats why a 80% winrate in starcraft is so impressive.
By the way, even if I'm impressed by flash, I'm always rooting for his opponent and it's always a disappointment.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 02:34:20
May 14 2010 02:25 GMT
#30
On May 14 2010 10:08 OneFierceZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 08:38 Jugan wrote:
On May 14 2010 07:59 OneFierceZealot wrote:
god, hes not even that good... i mean look at other sports where teams/players go undefeated the whole season. flash loses about 1/5 of the time.


Do you understand how extremely hard it is to go undefeated? Have you ever heard the term "Any Given Sunday"? It's a term very easily applied to starcraft. If you don't know what it means, take a look at this brief definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=any given sunday

You say Flash loses 1/5 of the time, as if he's bad. It is nothing short of MIND BLOWING that he loses only 1/5 of the time, if not less. In order to win, you need to train incredibly hard. Factor in that he is the pillar of support for KT Rolster in the proleague, that he is in the finals of BOTH individual leagues, and that a game can be won or lost on the slightest misclick or half a second of blindness... Not to mention that he plays against the BEST OF THE BEST. They are called "PROGAMERS" for a reason... And aside from the fact that he has to play A LOT games on top of that (meaning he's obviously bound to lose some), just because flash may lose to somebody that he's "supposed to beat" (which, in reality, is everyone) doesn't make him "bad" or any less dominant.

Take a moment to think about that.


please dont act like you know shit. nothing short of mind blowing. rofl gtfo. there are tennis players who have 40+ win streaks, hell look at lance armstrong, going up against hundreds of people and still coming out on top consistently. someone has only broken SC when he goes undefeated. which will not happen. you people can call flash your bonjwa or w/e it means because yes he is doing better than savior but dont pretend hes some form of god. hell he gets beat by jaedong half the time. and when it mattered most he lost 3-1 to him. so shut the fuck up about it already. and as im reading this i see a little post called "how is flash doing so well" oh thats just great. "you do realize that he competes with the best of the best..." yeah and im pretty sure the every other professional athletes do the same for whatever sport they are in. dur dur dur dur.

lol you have terrible manners.
I don't understand your comparison with others sports it is completly different.
Having a 50+% win ratio at pro level is really good.
Flash's 72.09% is godly.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Faranth
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
933 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 04:58:33
May 14 2010 04:57 GMT
#31
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
May 14 2010 05:04 GMT
#32
On May 14 2010 10:08 OneFierceZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 08:38 Jugan wrote:
On May 14 2010 07:59 OneFierceZealot wrote:
god, hes not even that good... i mean look at other sports where teams/players go undefeated the whole season. flash loses about 1/5 of the time.


Do you understand how extremely hard it is to go undefeated? Have you ever heard the term "Any Given Sunday"? It's a term very easily applied to starcraft. If you don't know what it means, take a look at this brief definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=any given sunday

You say Flash loses 1/5 of the time, as if he's bad. It is nothing short of MIND BLOWING that he loses only 1/5 of the time, if not less. In order to win, you need to train incredibly hard. Factor in that he is the pillar of support for KT Rolster in the proleague, that he is in the finals of BOTH individual leagues, and that a game can be won or lost on the slightest misclick or half a second of blindness... Not to mention that he plays against the BEST OF THE BEST. They are called "PROGAMERS" for a reason... And aside from the fact that he has to play A LOT games on top of that (meaning he's obviously bound to lose some), just because flash may lose to somebody that he's "supposed to beat" (which, in reality, is everyone) doesn't make him "bad" or any less dominant.

Take a moment to think about that.


please dont act like you know shit. nothing short of mind blowing. rofl gtfo. there are tennis players who have 40+ win streaks, hell look at lance armstrong, going up against hundreds of people and still coming out on top consistently. someone has only broken SC when he goes undefeated. which will not happen. you people can call flash your bonjwa or w/e it means because yes he is doing better than savior but dont pretend hes some form of god. hell he gets beat by jaedong half the time. and when it mattered most he lost 3-1 to him. so shut the fuck up about it already. and as im reading this i see a little post called "how is flash doing so well" oh thats just great. "you do realize that he competes with the best of the best..." yeah and im pretty sure the every other professional athletes do the same for whatever sport they are in. dur dur dur dur.

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Lazerbeems
Profile Joined May 2010
151 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 05:10:59
May 14 2010 05:06 GMT
#33
Uh how can you compare tennis, or any other sport, with Starcraft. For one Starcraft has something called fog of war.

I'm pretty sure if Flash played a standard macro game with fog of war off, he'd have around a 100% win rate because cheese or sneaky bullshit like surprise carriers wouldn't work.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 14 2010 05:06 GMT
#34
I love watching flash dominate, and at the same time i still love watching everyone else play (both proleagues and starleagues).
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
May 14 2010 05:12 GMT
#35
when flash first came into the scene (2007ish?) all he did was cheese and I hated him hardcore.

Now I love watching him and play and hope he rapes in every set he plays.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
May 14 2010 05:39 GMT
#36
This is gonna be all the more hilarious when Flash doesn't win either league. Kal + Jaedong/Calm will put a stop to Flash's Terran scum ways soon enough.
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JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 05:42:02
May 14 2010 05:39 GMT
#37
On May 14 2010 10:08 OneFierceZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 08:38 Jugan wrote:
On May 14 2010 07:59 OneFierceZealot wrote:
god, hes not even that good... i mean look at other sports where teams/players go undefeated the whole season. flash loses about 1/5 of the time.


Do you understand how extremely hard it is to go undefeated? Have you ever heard the term "Any Given Sunday"? It's a term very easily applied to starcraft. If you don't know what it means, take a look at this brief definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=any given sunday

You say Flash loses 1/5 of the time, as if he's bad. It is nothing short of MIND BLOWING that he loses only 1/5 of the time, if not less. In order to win, you need to train incredibly hard. Factor in that he is the pillar of support for KT Rolster in the proleague, that he is in the finals of BOTH individual leagues, and that a game can be won or lost on the slightest misclick or half a second of blindness... Not to mention that he plays against the BEST OF THE BEST. They are called "PROGAMERS" for a reason... And aside from the fact that he has to play A LOT games on top of that (meaning he's obviously bound to lose some), just because flash may lose to somebody that he's "supposed to beat" (which, in reality, is everyone) doesn't make him "bad" or any less dominant.

Take a moment to think about that.

+ Show Spoiler +

please dont act like you know shit. nothing short of mind blowing. rofl gtfo. there are tennis players who have 40+ win streaks, hell look at lance armstrong, going up against hundreds of people and still coming out on top consistently. someone has only broken SC when he goes undefeated. which will not happen. you people can call flash your bonjwa or w/e it means because yes he is doing better than savior but dont pretend hes some form of god. hell he gets beat by jaedong half the time. and when it mattered most he lost 3-1 to him. so shut the fuck up about it already. and as im reading this i see a little post called "how is flash doing so well" oh thats just great. "you do realize that he competes with the best of the best..." yeah and im pretty sure the every other professional athletes do the same for whatever sport they are in. dur dur dur dur.




Don't be trolling yo
your posting on a STARCRAFT forum

On May 14 2010 14:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
This is gonna be all the more hilarious when Flash doesn't win either league. Kal + Jaedong/Calm will put a stop to Flash's Terran scum ways soon enough.


Someone doesn't believe in the alien
if Flash loses both leagues, imagine what the forums will erupt into
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
darkmetal505
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States639 Posts
May 14 2010 07:19 GMT
#38
I've followed all of Flash's recent games. I still don't get the chills I got when watching Savior in his reign.
exeexe
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark937 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 09:20:42
May 14 2010 09:20 GMT
#39
is what L Armstrong did to tour de france
Is what M Schumacher did to formula one
And never forget, its always easier to throw a bomb downstairs than up. - George Orwell
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
May 15 2010 06:46 GMT
#40
Just bumping to let everyone know that mantoss has restored every hope i had for this game tonight.

Fuck, that ace match was epic.
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