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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-18 23:14:28
February 18 2010 22:37 GMT
#1
sry im still living in the stone age

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basically the main things i need to upgrade for perfect sc2 gameplay is my cpu speed, ram and vid card right? are there any recommendations for what i should specifically buy? also im looking to be able to stream some sc2 games aswell

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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
February 18 2010 22:40 GMT
#2
Tell us your budget first.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
February 18 2010 22:40 GMT
#3
well the thing is that if you decide to change your CPU you'll most likely need a new motherboard and fan aswell. with a new motherboard you might need new RAM
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xmShake
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1100 Posts
February 18 2010 22:41 GMT
#4
You will want to basically build a new computer. Give us a budget and we'll give you a build.
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
February 18 2010 22:41 GMT
#5
depends on how much money you plan to invest. there's a whole thread on SC2 about peoples rigs and recommendations.

check that first.
I am not good with quotes
iG.Zeep
Profile Joined May 2008
Mexico253 Posts
February 18 2010 22:43 GMT
#6
lol that looks almost exactly like my specs T_T
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-18 22:46:32
February 18 2010 22:45 GMT
#7
500-700$ but i can go up 100-200 give or take if the quality is really worthwhile
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
February 18 2010 22:46 GMT
#8
Depends on your budget, but if we don't bother replacing your monitor, I'd suspect $500 would be sufficient for a comp that will run sc2 very lovingly. I could link further resources if you need those, but generally newegg is a good place to hunt for deals.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
February 18 2010 22:49 GMT
#9
but your talking to someone who has 0 knowledge about computers, all i need are the parts and then i could get someone to set it up for me
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
February 18 2010 22:50 GMT
#10
Hey, maybe you'll get into the beta because your specs are so dated. Think of the positives.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-18 23:01:00
February 18 2010 22:51 GMT
#11
On February 19 2010 07:49 iamtt1 wrote:
but your talking to someone who has 0 knowledge about computers, all i need are the parts and then i could get someone to set it up for me


Hmm k ima look up some parts in the ~8 minutes I have till bus comes. Updating post in a moment

EDIT: I'm not totally up to date on the latest benchmarks for the latest graphics cards, etc (which you can find through google) but a quick browse on newegg turned up these parts, which should be more than sufficient to run sc2 at high specs and are relatively cheap:

Nvidia 9800GT for $114.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130435

4 gigs of ram (2x 2gb stick) $84.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227346

AMD Phenom II, 3.1ghz for $95.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103680

You will probably need a new motherboard too. You shouldn't need to care much about the processor tbh, which is why I linked a random cheap but not totally fail one. The bottleneck is almost certainly going to occur at the graphics card level when you have 4 gigs of ram and a decent processor, so I'd considering upping the graphics card before anything else.

I'll check thread again in about 15-20 mins when I get back to my apartment.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
February 18 2010 22:53 GMT
#12
<3
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
February 18 2010 22:54 GMT
#13
On February 19 2010 07:50 Athos wrote:
Hey, maybe you'll get into the beta because your specs are so dated. Think of the positives.


i was actually thinking about this too but im too addicted.. i need to play right now
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 18 2010 23:00 GMT
#14
I'll throw you some ideas when I have some time, but as of now, take a look at this:

http://anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=3739
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
February 18 2010 23:03 GMT
#15
On February 19 2010 07:51 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2010 07:49 iamtt1 wrote:
but your talking to someone who has 0 knowledge about computers, all i need are the parts and then i could get someone to set it up for me


Hmm k ima look up some parts in the ~8 minutes I have till bus comes. Updating post in a moment

EDIT: I'm not totally up to date on the latest benchmarks for the latest graphics cards, etc (which you can find through google) but a quick browse on newegg turned up these parts, which should be more than sufficient to run sc2 at high specs and are relatively cheap:

Nvidia 9800GT for $114.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130435

4 gigs of ram (2x 2gb stick) $84.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227346

AMD Phenom II, 3.1ghz for $95.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103680

You will probably need a new motherboard too. You shouldn't need to care much about the processor tbh, which is why I linked a random cheap but not totally fail one. The bottleneck is almost certainly going to occur at the graphics card level when you have 4 gigs of ram and a decent processor, so I'd considering upping the graphics card before anything else.

I'll check thread again in about 15-20 mins when I get back to my apartment.


ok so basically im rebuilding my computer but the only parts i need to change are these ones right(plus the motherboard + fan)? i can still use my tower and the other parts?
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
February 18 2010 23:04 GMT
#16
On February 19 2010 08:00 FragKrag wrote:
I'll throw you some ideas when I have some time, but as of now, take a look at this:

http://anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=3739


thx
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
February 18 2010 23:05 GMT
#17
On February 19 2010 07:50 Athos wrote:
Hey, maybe you'll get into the beta because your specs are so dated. Think of the positives.


There's no way in hell that video card will run sc2.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-18 23:11:57
February 18 2010 23:06 GMT
#18
How about giving some pictures of the case, and telling us EXACTLY what you plan to do with the computer (not just SC2 at max settings). Tell us your resolution, if you want to stream SC2, what other things you want to do with your computer and how upgradeable you want it to be.

I recommend against that particular set of RAM if you plan to upgrade to an AMD system, because OCZ RAM is notorious for being unreliable on AMD systems.

Your motherboard must change, I'm not sure about the PSU, but it might have to go as well (how many watts is it? How much does it have on the 12V Rail etc).

Edit: As far as simply PLAYING SC2 at max settings (ie no streaming or other business)

An Athlon II X2 dual core or Phenom II X2 dual core, 2GB of DDR3 RAM, and a 4850 will be enough.
That total comes to around $210-250. Add a new motherboard and it becomes around $260-300. 2GB of RAM won't be enough to add other stuff on.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
February 18 2010 23:11 GMT
#19
frag i know ur going to get annoyed at this answer but i honestly have no idea where to look for the information, i guess my resolution is 1280x1024(from my specs ss), and i do want to stream sc2 games.

ill upload a few pics of my case in a sec
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 18 2010 23:14 GMT
#20
actually no real need to upload pics of the case if it's a stock dell/hp/etc case. 1280x1024 sounds ok, and if you want to look for PSU information, open the case and take a look at the PSU (either bottom back corner or top back corner). If it is under 450W, I would recommend buying another PSU. (I don't think your PSU will be above 250W tbh, so be prepared to spend some extra $ on a PSU).

if you don't know what model your case is, then go ahead and take a picture.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
February 18 2010 23:17 GMT
#21
for some reason I think you don't have a pci-e port
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 18 2010 23:19 GMT
#22
it's probably agp
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
February 18 2010 23:23 GMT
#23
On February 19 2010 08:03 iamtt1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2010 07:51 EtherealDeath wrote:
On February 19 2010 07:49 iamtt1 wrote:
but your talking to someone who has 0 knowledge about computers, all i need are the parts and then i could get someone to set it up for me


Hmm k ima look up some parts in the ~8 minutes I have till bus comes. Updating post in a moment

EDIT: I'm not totally up to date on the latest benchmarks for the latest graphics cards, etc (which you can find through google) but a quick browse on newegg turned up these parts, which should be more than sufficient to run sc2 at high specs and are relatively cheap:

Nvidia 9800GT for $114.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130435

4 gigs of ram (2x 2gb stick) $84.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227346

AMD Phenom II, 3.1ghz for $95.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103680

You will probably need a new motherboard too. You shouldn't need to care much about the processor tbh, which is why I linked a random cheap but not totally fail one. The bottleneck is almost certainly going to occur at the graphics card level when you have 4 gigs of ram and a decent processor, so I'd considering upping the graphics card before anything else.

I'll check thread again in about 15-20 mins when I get back to my apartment.


ok so basically im rebuilding my computer but the only parts i need to change are these ones right(plus the motherboard + fan)? i can still use my tower and the other parts?


Actually taking another look at your specs, almost 100% sure you will need a new power supply too, based on the power requirements of the 9800GT. Unless of course, you got an amazingly overpowered power supply for an underpowered computer o.O
Possibility of needing more cooling too (usually not required), but idk that really depends on your current cooling setup.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
February 18 2010 23:23 GMT
#24
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monitor should be fine for the tower i dunno
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
February 18 2010 23:24 GMT
#25
i'm geussing this is an old dell/hp box, in that case you should check the case form factor so you don't end up putting an ATX mobo on some exotic form factor
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
February 18 2010 23:28 GMT
#26
Well the easiest way to find out is to build your new comp, run, and see if it turns off due to overheating lol!

But that shouldn't happen.

I'm curious to know if anyone has experience with companies that build good comps for cheap. Cyberpowerpc was pro back in the day, but they were really hit and miss, as sometimes the comp would just not work and you would be fucker in a chain of customer service calls for months.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10340 Posts
February 18 2010 23:30 GMT
#27
Do the HotBid build:
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?Source=MSWD&WishListNumber=13036712
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 18 2010 23:31 GMT
#28
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811153005

is his case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135068

looks like his motherboard
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
February 18 2010 23:31 GMT
#29
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-18 23:40:11
February 18 2010 23:36 GMT
#30
On February 19 2010 08:30 R1CH wrote:
Do the HotBid build:
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?Source=MSWD&WishListNumber=13036712


and this build wouldnt need any additional parts? because i dont see a cooler/fan on the page

edit: nvm i think the CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power is the cooler
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
February 18 2010 23:38 GMT
#31
On February 19 2010 08:30 R1CH wrote:
Do the HotBid build:
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?Source=MSWD&WishListNumber=13036712


Not a bad build actually! Though I am out of date with the 5k series specs
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
February 18 2010 23:40 GMT
#32
On February 19 2010 08:30 R1CH wrote:
Do the HotBid build:
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?Source=MSWD&WishListNumber=13036712

I would definitly not buy a E8400 nowadays.
Except for some really specific kind of builds ( snobby HTPC ) i think that Intel procs under the I5-750 and the i7 aren't competitive for their price.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 18 2010 23:40 GMT
#33
K you will need a new powersupply, but your case is perfectly salvageable.

In this case, I believe the lowest cost option would actually be to take advantage of your motherboard which supports intel Core 2 Duo, buy 4GB of DDR2 RAM, a new power supply, and a 4850.

core 2 duo will be around $120, 4GB DDR2 RAM would be around $90, new power supply around 60$, and a 4850 around $100.

The low cost build however, probably won't work nearly as well as a new AM3 build which would involve buying a new motherboard.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
KeSPA_Wannabe
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States36 Posts
February 18 2010 23:43 GMT
#34
Jesus christ, iamtt1 how the heck do you stream and play with a comp like this? mines like ages better and I still lag a bit...
Too bad I'm one of the few Koreans who didn't manage to inherit StarCraft genes from my parents...
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 18 2010 23:45 GMT
#35
tt1, the 550W is actually the power supply (and a fairly expensive one at that!)
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
February 18 2010 23:45 GMT
#36
A 955BE is cheaper than a E8400 and is better.

Also if you don't get a new screen with a resolution > 1280x1024 i doubt that the 5770 will be really useful. A 4850 will probably be more than enough.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
February 18 2010 23:46 GMT
#37
so does newegg.com ship to canada aswell? because theres no room for my zip code
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Achromic
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
773 Posts
February 18 2010 23:47 GMT
#38
On February 19 2010 07:37 iamtt1 wrote:
sry im still living in the stone age

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basically the main things i need to upgrade for perfect sc2 gameplay is my cpu speed, ram and vid card right? are there any recommendations for what i should specifically buy? also im looking to be able to stream some sc2 games aswell

Dude, your specs are better than mine. T-T

Damn you SC2.
Blah
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-18 23:54:44
February 18 2010 23:54 GMT
#39
ok so so im supposed to shop at newegg.ca

also i feel so behind because u guys are talking about the products but i have no idea whats what, if its possible can someone add a list with everything on it so i could just go on newegg.ca and add it to a cart, i would rather build a comp from scratch with all the parts than to salvage parts from my existing comp if the difference comes out to like 100-200$(tower/motherboard etc)
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
February 18 2010 23:58 GMT
#40
On February 19 2010 08:40 FragKrag wrote:
K you will need a new powersupply, but your case is perfectly salvageable.

In this case, I believe the lowest cost option would actually be to take advantage of your motherboard which supports intel Core 2 Duo, buy 4GB of DDR2 RAM, a new power supply, and a 4850.

core 2 duo will be around $120, 4GB DDR2 RAM would be around $90, new power supply around 60$, and a 4850 around $100.

The low cost build however, probably won't work nearly as well as a new AM3 build which would involve buying a new motherboard.


a 4850/5770 = the processor?
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 19 2010 00:01 GMT
#41
4850/5770 are the graphics cards.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
February 19 2010 00:05 GMT
#42
whats the am3 build with the new motherboard?
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 19 2010 00:08 GMT
#43
http://secure.newegg.ca/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=13259752

if you don't need windows 7, don't buy it ofc.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-19 00:19:09
February 19 2010 00:12 GMT
#44
600$ is perfect if it performs well for sc2, do u absolutely need windows 7 to run with it or is windows xp fine?

also what would be the major differences between this build and the hotbid build?
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-19 00:20:59
February 19 2010 00:19 GMT
#45
HotBid's build sports a more powerful GPU, whereas my build has a quadcore proc. The 5770 (his graphics card) outperforms the 4850 and provides support for future games, but I don't see the point of the 5770 if you plan on playing at your current resolution. The 4850 can handle SC2 on max fine, and the extra money spent on the 5770 really wouldn't be worth it imho.

The AM3 socket supports PCIe 2.0 X16 which allows for more bandwidth for gpus whereas the hotbid build is stick with the older PCIe 1.0 X16 which provides half the bandwidth.

Hotbid's computer is also going to be smaller, and probably less upgradeable in the future because the LGA 775 socket which his motherboard uses is set to be discontinued this year.

My only gripe with the build I made is that I would rather use the Antec 520W power supply, but that would increase the amount you have to spend ;p. His Corsair 550W is superior to the current Cooler Master 460W. If you don't mind spending the extra $30, I would recommend getting the 520W Antec.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030&cm_re=power_supply_antec-_-17-371-030-_-Product

by buying a new motherboard, you also need to buy a new OS since your old OS will not be able to associate itself with your new motherboard.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
February 19 2010 00:41 GMT
#46
FragK's build is better than HotBid's especially if you don't plan to change your screen
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-19 00:44:01
February 19 2010 00:43 GMT
#47
i love u, thx for everything
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Conquest101
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1395 Posts
February 19 2010 01:39 GMT
#48
On February 19 2010 08:58 iamtt1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2010 08:40 FragKrag wrote:
K you will need a new powersupply, but your case is perfectly salvageable.

In this case, I believe the lowest cost option would actually be to take advantage of your motherboard which supports intel Core 2 Duo, buy 4GB of DDR2 RAM, a new power supply, and a 4850.

core 2 duo will be around $120, 4GB DDR2 RAM would be around $90, new power supply around 60$, and a 4850 around $100.

The low cost build however, probably won't work nearly as well as a new AM3 build which would involve buying a new motherboard.


a 4850/5770 = the processor?


No that's the graphics card. The 5770 being newer and thus more expensive. People are saying that if you plan to use the same monitor (which most likely has a maximum resolution of 1280x1024), a 5770 may be overkill and unnecessary, so if you want to cut costs, get a 4850. However, if you plan to upgrade your monitor and want to play games coming out in the future at high settings, get a 5770 or what not.
dyren
Profile Joined December 2009
United States260 Posts
February 19 2010 02:17 GMT
#49
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150439&cm_re=xfx_250-_-14-150-439-_-Product

Grab this video card for only $150.
(╬ ಠ益ಠ)
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 19 2010 03:11 GMT
#50
On February 19 2010 11:17 dyren wrote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150439&cm_re=xfx_250-_-14-150-439-_-Product

Grab this video card for only $150.


i know tt1 used to hack and all, but that doesn't excuse this kind of advice
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Conquest101
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1395 Posts
February 19 2010 03:39 GMT
#51
Yeah seriously. ATI all the way for GPUs right now.
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