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[NyC]HoBbes
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States803 Posts
February 10 2010 03:10 GMT
#1
As an introduction, I've been playing music a lot longer than I've been playing starcraft. I'm a fairly high-level jazz saxophonist, and hope to go to conservatory/become a professional in that area. As a capable musician, I have the ability to play around with a piano some (for anyone who understands music theory, piano is not very difficult to do basic things with). Recently, though, I've been getting more into the piano, trying to teach myself how to play it as a fourth instrument (sax, flute, guitar, piano).

Being a sax player, the hardest part of teaching myself the piano is left-hand/right hand independence. Playing different melodies or rhythms on each hand is discombobulating and hard as hell. Props to drummers for being able to do four appendages. In the last couple of weeks, I've practiced starcraft a ton, and my APM rose from around 115 to around 225. Suddenly, my left hand on the piano feels a LOT easier. Thank you starcraft, for helping me become a better musician.

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deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
February 10 2010 03:25 GMT
#2
5/5, starcraft teaches your hands life skills ftw :D
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
February 10 2010 03:28 GMT
#3
Cool Next step, foot pedal interface for starcraft ^_^
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
February 10 2010 03:32 GMT
#4
fast apm = better at fingering a girl (true) ... ;p
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
February 10 2010 03:32 GMT
#5
I bet you if you practiced piano a lot you'd play sc faster, too
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KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
February 10 2010 03:32 GMT
#6
I used my guitar the other way around, I used to play guitar before jumping on iccup to warm-up my hands :O
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unionbank
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia666 Posts
February 10 2010 03:35 GMT
#7
I think to say Starcraft helped you become a better musician is a misunderstanding. Starcraft is only masking your hard work and effort to become a better musician and so in turn you are misinterpreting your diligence and initiative to become a better musician.

Its not what Starcraft taught you but rather what you learned playing Starcraft.
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Raz0r
Profile Joined September 2008
United States287 Posts
February 10 2010 03:41 GMT
#8
Starcraft is truly an awesome game! That is why sc2 must give such rewards when playing at such high levels.
[NyC]HoBbes
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States803 Posts
February 10 2010 03:42 GMT
#9
On February 10 2010 12:35 unionbank wrote:
I think to say Starcraft helped you become a better musician is a misunderstanding. Starcraft is only masking your hard work and effort to become a better musician and so in turn you are misinterpreting your diligence and initiative to become a better musician.

Its not what Starcraft taught you but rather what you learned playing Starcraft.


I guess I see it as developing certain skills that are beneficial to both, whether by practicing the piano or practicing SC. The comment that playing starcraft can directly make you a better musician was made mostly tongue-in-cheek
Where'er you walk cool gales shall fan the glade
Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
February 10 2010 03:50 GMT
#10
Starcraft is addicting. Don't know how that is helpful.
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prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
February 10 2010 03:51 GMT
#11
Similar story for me too. I only recently (2 months ago) started to play the guitar and people who have watched me have told me how shocked they are at how quickly I have improved and how comfortable I am with the chords. I attribute my early success to StarCraft.
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MaReK
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Australia446 Posts
February 10 2010 04:11 GMT
#12
On February 10 2010 12:32 Xeris wrote:
fast apm = better at fingering a girl (true) ... ;p

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Pure.Freedom
Profile Joined January 2010
United States114 Posts
February 10 2010 04:21 GMT
#13
Whats that quote... all i ever needed to know i learned from starcraft ... actual quote is kindergarten or something like that
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
February 10 2010 04:53 GMT
#14
So with all that apm what rank are you?
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
February 10 2010 05:30 GMT
#15
what is a good place to start learning jazz? I've had classical music theory, but i'm interested in jazz's music theory.
[NyC]HoBbes
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States803 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-10 05:50:14
February 10 2010 05:49 GMT
#16
On February 10 2010 14:30 nosliw wrote:
what is a good place to start learning jazz? I've had classical music theory, but i'm interested in jazz's music theory.


Do you mean just learning the theory behind it or actually learning to play jazz?
Where'er you walk cool gales shall fan the glade
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
February 10 2010 06:03 GMT
#17
like jazz chord progression, and basics about improv
[NyC]HoBbes
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States803 Posts
February 10 2010 06:24 GMT
#18
Learning improv is all about listening- listen to as much jazz as you possibly can, familiarize yourself with the rhythms and the sounds. Listen to a solo you like, try to learn it by ear, and, once you have it completely down exactly as played, start fooling around with changing the articulations, changing the rhythms, playing it in different keys, etc. Improvisation is less spontaneous than people think, it is more like speaking a language built on a vocabulary of things people have played before you. I learned the entire Charlie Parker Omnibook as part of building my vocabulary, and I tend to play solos in a style reminiscent of him. Learn Jazz standards, and learn them in multiple keys. Taking any song, and learning to solo over it in all 12 keys is a great improv exercise.

As for chord progressions, there isn't really a set rule for what makes a "jazz" chord progression, pretty much anything can, and probably has been used. Generally, however, Major and minor 7th chords are very important pieces of the jazz sound. In terms of a specific progression, ii-V-I is probably the most "standard" jazz progression, but Jazz is not really defined by one chord progression in the way that, for example, 1950's rock is. Learning blues scales and pentatonic scales is also always helpful.

Soloing over chord changes can on its most basic level be summed up as "hit the notes that are in the chord more often than not, they'll sound better." In more advanced jazz theory, one gets into chord substitution, Coltrane changes, and other fun things like that, but I wouldn't advise anyone to dive into that kind of stuff without a firm grounding in jazz basics.

In terms of materials, any book of standards is great, I'd personally recommend the Real Book, and, in terms of theory, taking a lesson is probably the most beneficial thing, along with listening to a ton of jazz.
Where'er you walk cool gales shall fan the glade
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-10 07:38:08
February 10 2010 07:37 GMT
#19
On February 10 2010 12:32 Xeris wrote:
fast apm = better at fingering a girl (true) ... ;p

Unfortunately fast apm doesn't also mean you'll be able to get a girl to finger.
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
February 10 2010 07:41 GMT
#20
On February 10 2010 16:37 Loser777 wrote:
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On February 10 2010 12:32 Xeris wrote:
fast apm = better at fingering a girl (true) ... ;p

Unfortunately fast apm doesn't also mean you'll be able to get a girl to finger.

i lol'd hard

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SF-Fork
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Russian Federation1401 Posts
February 10 2010 11:55 GMT
#21
If anybody is interested I have loads of very helpful books in pdf on jazz-rock-blues-and general musical theory. PM and I'll megaupload or something.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
February 10 2010 12:34 GMT
#22
sweet - man, that means I should try harder to be better at starcraft - I've never actually put in the effort.
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Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
February 10 2010 15:58 GMT
#23
On February 10 2010 12:32 Xeris wrote:
fast apm = better at fingering a girl (true) ... ;p


Its actually good for building hand strength for when you need to wiggle your middle finger and hit their G-spot alllllll the way up in there. it gets tiring but not anymore thx to starcraft!
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 10 2010 17:59 GMT
#24
On February 11 2010 00:58 Hypnosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2010 12:32 Xeris wrote:
fast apm = better at fingering a girl (true) ... ;p


Its actually good for building hand strength for when you need to wiggle your middle finger and hit their G-spot alllllll the way up in there. it gets tiring but not anymore thx to starcraft!

lol.
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TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
December 19 2010 18:32 GMT
#25
This is a great example why Starcraft helps people in life 5/5
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KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
December 19 2010 19:17 GMT
#26
I love it when hands learn new skills
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eLiE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1039 Posts
December 19 2010 19:23 GMT
#27
On February 10 2010 12:28 Badjas wrote:
Cool Next step, foot pedal interface for starcraft ^_^


haha. I'm down for that. Machine gun double bass to pump zerglings!
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