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[PL spoilers] savior curse

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iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 20:03:06
November 30 2009 19:59 GMT
#1
After + Show Spoiler +
Jaedong lost to savior today
, the response in the Chinese sc community was not JD played badly or anything, but JD played probably the smartest game of his life.
The theory of the "savior curse" says that, if you get destroyed by savior, you will start winning, but if you destroy savior, you will start losing/getting into a slump.

I believe the origin of this curse started in the savior-flash match in SPL all-star.

There are some more rules of the savior curse:
1.The harder you let savior destroy/rape you, the harder your winning streak will be, and the harder you rape savior, the deeper your slump will be.
Flash nuked himself, and let savior build an army of queens in his match vs savior in the all-star game. That is when his god-mode started running.
He beat savior again on 10-25, so he lost to Best a few days later. But of course he let savior rape him so hard on that all-star game, so his streak cannot end yet.

2. If two people both get destroyed by savior, then whoever gets destroyed by savior first has the advantage over the latter one.
See: savior vs Guemchi, savior vs upmagic, and Guemchi vs upmagic

3. While the savior curse has not applied true in all cases, it is in fact true to some extent in many situations:
Zero destroyed savior, then lost the ace match.
Jaedong gets destroyed savior, then won the ace match.
Roro started winning again after getting destroyed by savior.
Kal after his next match after destroying savior.
hyvaa is not playing well after destroying savior, although it is true that he wasn't playing well prior to the match either.
While Hogil may appear to be an exception at first sight, but notice that when you take out the games vs flash (who get destroyed by savior first thus has the advantage), he wasn't doing too bad immediately after getting destroyed by savior.
Now according to the theory, Pusan should start winning again. Let's see what happens...

****
Zortch
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada635 Posts
November 30 2009 20:00 GMT
#2
SPOILER THIS.
Thanks a lot....
Respect is everything. ~ARchon
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 20:04:11
November 30 2009 20:03 GMT
#3
Just wondering... How does JD playing the smartest game of his life lost to sAviOr? As much as I hate to say it, I don't really see sAviOr being up to par to JD at his best.

Never mind, I think I get it.
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
November 30 2009 20:05 GMT
#4
On December 01 2009 05:03 Archaic wrote:
Just wondering... How does JD playing the smartest game of his life lost to sAviOr? As much as I hate to say it, I don't really see sAviOr being up to par to JD at his best.

Never mind, I think I get it.


Because according to the theory, JD will destroy everyone in 2010 after today's game apparently.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
November 30 2009 20:07 GMT
#5
On December 01 2009 05:05 iloahz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 05:03 Archaic wrote:
Just wondering... How does JD playing the smartest game of his life lost to sAviOr? As much as I hate to say it, I don't really see sAviOr being up to par to JD at his best.

Never mind, I think I get it.


Because according to the theory, JD will destroy everyone in 2010 after today's game apparently.

Ninja edit FTW?
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
November 30 2009 20:09 GMT
#6
(P)Bisu
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XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
November 30 2009 20:09 GMT
#7
I see, Savior sucks so much now that anyone who loses to him gets motivated to practice their balls of from the shame and win.
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
November 30 2009 20:11 GMT
#8
On December 01 2009 05:09 XinRan wrote:
I see, Savior sucks so much now that anyone who loses to him gets motivated to practice their balls of from the shame and win.


thats a proper scientific theory to make sense of the statistics and data

Well done
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
November 30 2009 20:13 GMT
#9
On December 01 2009 05:09 MasterReY wrote:
(P)Bisu


Bisu hasn't played savior since the curse started.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 30 2009 20:29 GMT
#10
It all makes sense now. Jaedong was appeasing the BW gods.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
November 30 2009 20:29 GMT
#11
lol....This is horrible T_T
Jaedong :3
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
November 30 2009 21:57 GMT
#12
this is freaking ridiculous. fivestarred anyway.
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
November 30 2009 22:00 GMT
#13
On December 01 2009 05:13 iloahz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 05:09 MasterReY wrote:
(P)Bisu


Bisu hasn't played savior since the curse started.


When did it start?
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Cowazon
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada58 Posts
November 30 2009 22:11 GMT
#14
So he either loses games and ensures that whoever beats him does poorly after that, or he wins games and goes on to make sure that whoever he beats goes on to win against everyone else.

Sounds like whether its by his own hand or not, Savior is still destroying everyone in 2009!
Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
November 30 2009 22:16 GMT
#15
let's be real, savior hasn't been playing badly for months now. inconsistent sure, but he's still a great player.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
November 30 2009 22:16 GMT
#16
Mh maybe the curse started in 2009, thats what he trule meant.
I don't remember a game which Bisu won against savior in 09 so that would make sense too then
beep boop
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
November 30 2009 22:58 GMT
#17
On December 01 2009 05:13 iloahz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 05:09 MasterReY wrote:
(P)Bisu


Bisu hasn't played savior since the curse started.

Avalon MSL
cw)minsean(ru
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
December 01 2009 13:15 GMT
#18
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pusan lost to jaedong

but no fear, he will advance in his group!
#1 Movie fan~ he's got so much skill it oozes out of his skin in the form of acne. ~family comes first~
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
December 01 2009 14:21 GMT
#19
he's a true maestro if he has this kind of magic power
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
December 01 2009 14:47 GMT
#20
On December 01 2009 23:21 29 fps wrote:
he's a true maestro if he has this kind of magic power





Now if only he can apply that magic to himself and win another title :p

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HE WILL, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? I never doubt The Maestro.
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