• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:34
CEST 16:34
KST 23:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?132Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!46
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism SC4ALL: II Winner will earn a spot at HSC 30! SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 7/8
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 KSL Week #92 IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly 2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? Practice Partners (Official) Broodwar Prediction Market [D] Brainstorming a balance patch for Brood war
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group A [ASL22] Ro16 Group B Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation Diablo IV [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion!
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6987 users

[PL spoilers] savior curse

Blogs > iloahz
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 20:03:06
November 30 2009 19:59 GMT
#1
After + Show Spoiler +
Jaedong lost to savior today
, the response in the Chinese sc community was not JD played badly or anything, but JD played probably the smartest game of his life.
The theory of the "savior curse" says that, if you get destroyed by savior, you will start winning, but if you destroy savior, you will start losing/getting into a slump.

I believe the origin of this curse started in the savior-flash match in SPL all-star.

There are some more rules of the savior curse:
1.The harder you let savior destroy/rape you, the harder your winning streak will be, and the harder you rape savior, the deeper your slump will be.
Flash nuked himself, and let savior build an army of queens in his match vs savior in the all-star game. That is when his god-mode started running.
He beat savior again on 10-25, so he lost to Best a few days later. But of course he let savior rape him so hard on that all-star game, so his streak cannot end yet.

2. If two people both get destroyed by savior, then whoever gets destroyed by savior first has the advantage over the latter one.
See: savior vs Guemchi, savior vs upmagic, and Guemchi vs upmagic

3. While the savior curse has not applied true in all cases, it is in fact true to some extent in many situations:
Zero destroyed savior, then lost the ace match.
Jaedong gets destroyed savior, then won the ace match.
Roro started winning again after getting destroyed by savior.
Kal after his next match after destroying savior.
hyvaa is not playing well after destroying savior, although it is true that he wasn't playing well prior to the match either.
While Hogil may appear to be an exception at first sight, but notice that when you take out the games vs flash (who get destroyed by savior first thus has the advantage), he wasn't doing too bad immediately after getting destroyed by savior.
Now according to the theory, Pusan should start winning again. Let's see what happens...

****
Zortch
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada635 Posts
November 30 2009 20:00 GMT
#2
SPOILER THIS.
Thanks a lot....
Respect is everything. ~ARchon
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 20:04:11
November 30 2009 20:03 GMT
#3
Just wondering... How does JD playing the smartest game of his life lost to sAviOr? As much as I hate to say it, I don't really see sAviOr being up to par to JD at his best.

Never mind, I think I get it.
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
November 30 2009 20:05 GMT
#4
On December 01 2009 05:03 Archaic wrote:
Just wondering... How does JD playing the smartest game of his life lost to sAviOr? As much as I hate to say it, I don't really see sAviOr being up to par to JD at his best.

Never mind, I think I get it.


Because according to the theory, JD will destroy everyone in 2010 after today's game apparently.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
November 30 2009 20:07 GMT
#5
On December 01 2009 05:05 iloahz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 05:03 Archaic wrote:
Just wondering... How does JD playing the smartest game of his life lost to sAviOr? As much as I hate to say it, I don't really see sAviOr being up to par to JD at his best.

Never mind, I think I get it.


Because according to the theory, JD will destroy everyone in 2010 after today's game apparently.

Ninja edit FTW?
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
November 30 2009 20:09 GMT
#6
(P)Bisu
https://www.twitch.tv/MasterReY/ ~ Biggest Reach fan on TL.net (Don't even dare to mention LR now) ~ R.I.P Violet ~ Developer of SCRChart
TL+ Member
XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
November 30 2009 20:09 GMT
#7
I see, Savior sucks so much now that anyone who loses to him gets motivated to practice their balls of from the shame and win.
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
November 30 2009 20:11 GMT
#8
On December 01 2009 05:09 XinRan wrote:
I see, Savior sucks so much now that anyone who loses to him gets motivated to practice their balls of from the shame and win.


thats a proper scientific theory to make sense of the statistics and data

Well done
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
November 30 2009 20:13 GMT
#9
On December 01 2009 05:09 MasterReY wrote:
(P)Bisu


Bisu hasn't played savior since the curse started.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 30 2009 20:29 GMT
#10
It all makes sense now. Jaedong was appeasing the BW gods.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
November 30 2009 20:29 GMT
#11
lol....This is horrible T_T
Jaedong :3
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
November 30 2009 21:57 GMT
#12
this is freaking ridiculous. fivestarred anyway.
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
November 30 2009 22:00 GMT
#13
On December 01 2009 05:13 iloahz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 05:09 MasterReY wrote:
(P)Bisu


Bisu hasn't played savior since the curse started.


When did it start?
https://www.twitch.tv/MasterReY/ ~ Biggest Reach fan on TL.net (Don't even dare to mention LR now) ~ R.I.P Violet ~ Developer of SCRChart
TL+ Member
Cowazon
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada58 Posts
November 30 2009 22:11 GMT
#14
So he either loses games and ensures that whoever beats him does poorly after that, or he wins games and goes on to make sure that whoever he beats goes on to win against everyone else.

Sounds like whether its by his own hand or not, Savior is still destroying everyone in 2009!
Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
November 30 2009 22:16 GMT
#15
let's be real, savior hasn't been playing badly for months now. inconsistent sure, but he's still a great player.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
November 30 2009 22:16 GMT
#16
Mh maybe the curse started in 2009, thats what he trule meant.
I don't remember a game which Bisu won against savior in 09 so that would make sense too then
beep boop
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
November 30 2009 22:58 GMT
#17
On December 01 2009 05:13 iloahz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 05:09 MasterReY wrote:
(P)Bisu


Bisu hasn't played savior since the curse started.

Avalon MSL
cw)minsean(ru
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
December 01 2009 13:15 GMT
#18
+ Show Spoiler +
pusan lost to jaedong

but no fear, he will advance in his group!
#1 Movie fan~ he's got so much skill it oozes out of his skin in the form of acne. ~family comes first~
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
December 01 2009 14:21 GMT
#19
he's a true maestro if he has this kind of magic power
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
December 01 2009 14:47 GMT
#20
On December 01 2009 23:21 29 fps wrote:
he's a true maestro if he has this kind of magic power





Now if only he can apply that magic to himself and win another title :p

+ Show Spoiler +
HE WILL, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? I never doubt The Maestro.
POGGERS
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
11:00
Pre Blizzcon Cup
Cure vs Zoun
SHIN vs ClassicLIVE!
WardiTV1115
IntoTheiNu 1051
IndyStarCraft 223
Rex108
Liquipedia
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Sea Duckling Open #149
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko503
IndyStarCraft 223
Rex 108
BRAT_OK 64
MindelVK 25
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 41789
Calm 6774
Shuttle 1201
Leta 631
Sharp 458
Soma 350
firebathero 304
Rush 252
Last 152
Killer 87
[ Show more ]
910 83
Mong 54
Bonyth 24
Rock 21
Hm[arnc] 20
SilentControl 12
Noble 6
Dota 2
qojqva3372
Dendi1395
syndereN473
ODPixel219
420jenkins214
Other Games
singsing1743
crisheroes341
Hui .289
mouzStarbuck261
DeMusliM250
XaKoH 118
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV823
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 15
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 9
• FirePhoenix3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3320
League of Legends
• Jankos1816
• Nemesis1579
Upcoming Events
AI Arena Tournament
2h 26m
OSC
5h 56m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19h 26m
WardiTV Invitational
20h 26m
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
1d
Spirit vs Mixu
Clem vs TBD
RSL Revival
1d 1h
Serral vs Rogue
BlizzCon
1d 3h
IdrA vs MC
Replay Cast
1d 9h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 19h
Light vs JyJ
Soulkey vs hero
WardiTV Weekly
1d 20h
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs Shinee
Shine vs EffOrt
GSL
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - TRS
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
RSL Revival: Season 6
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.