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wok
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States504 Posts
November 19 2009 06:40 GMT
#1
In my continuing quest to get to B by the end of the season, I challenged the legendary KwarK to a 1v1 ladder game today. He went for a horror gate, which I staved off with pretty minimal losses...
Then I went for a bold counter, 15 probe rush. He scouted it and put up a probe and forge in his main and I sadly gg'd.


*****
I'll race you to defeatism... you win.
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
November 19 2009 06:43 GMT
#2
replay or it didnt happen

also dont worry. i think kwark is kinda good.
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economist_
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Vietnam719 Posts
November 19 2009 06:45 GMT
#3
Dont be sad, you have just lost to Backho..
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randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
November 19 2009 06:49 GMT
#4
Lol, I watched this game. I kept saying to myself what is this noob doing (when you tried to probe counter).
R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
November 19 2009 06:50 GMT
#5
lol keep questing
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
November 19 2009 06:52 GMT
#6
so...

what do you want, a sticker or something now?
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lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
November 19 2009 06:53 GMT
#7
the legendary KwarK comment made me giggle
You can't fight the feeling.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-19 06:57:34
November 19 2009 06:57 GMT
#8
His stream is so choppy for me that its rather unwatchable at the moment... a 15 probe counter though? You probably had the advantage after you fended off his aggression.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 19 2009 07:03 GMT
#9
what the hell is a horror gate
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
November 19 2009 07:04 GMT
#10
On November 19 2009 16:03 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
what the hell is a horror gate


Proxy gate in base. IDK why people call it a horror gate now T_T
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wok
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States504 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-19 07:07:44
November 19 2009 07:06 GMT
#11
On November 19 2009 15:52 Grobyc wrote:
so...

what do you want, a sticker or something now?

Yup. You have one?

On November 19 2009 15:43 mOnion wrote:
replay or it didnt happen

also dont worry. i think kwark is kinda good.


I very much wish it didn't happen. hahahaha :p
I'll race you to defeatism... you win.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44195 Posts
November 19 2009 08:21 GMT
#12
On November 19 2009 16:03 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
what the hell is a horror gate

I said the same thing earlier. A quick tl search reveals it to be a proxy gate built off a manner pylon (Bisu on peaks style) as opposed to a hidden proxy gate.
Someone made up the term about 3 days ago I think. Looks like it'll stick though.
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Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
November 19 2009 08:33 GMT
#13
cool story bro
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SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
November 19 2009 08:33 GMT
#14
nah i've heard it a lot longer than 3 days ago.

like a month ago.. even longer i think
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44195 Posts
November 19 2009 08:35 GMT
#15
On January 16 2007 19:41 SuperJongMan wrote:
PvT - Dt Rush to Arbiter, if in emergency code red, cloaked Zealot bombs ftw.
PvZ - -_-;; Forge first fake expo to triple gate.
PvP - Proxy horror gate in their base while 2 gating from your own.

TvP - Bunker Rush duh~


Not used again til mid 2009.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
November 19 2009 09:18 GMT
#16
Pimpest Plays 07 called Bisu doing it to Pokju "Horror Gating", so the term has been around for at least a few years.
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losso
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Bulgaria158 Posts
November 19 2009 10:06 GMT
#17
On November 19 2009 18:18 Sentenal wrote:
Pimpest Plays 07 called Bisu doing it to Pokju "Horror Gating", so the term has been around for at least a few years.


i've always called it "pokju rush". sounds so much cuter
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
November 19 2009 10:18 GMT
#18
Well thanks for trying that counter so I don't have to.
No I'm never serious.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
November 19 2009 12:13 GMT
#19
Well the Horror gates were copied during a WCG Game IIRC........
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MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
November 19 2009 13:21 GMT
#20
On November 19 2009 19:06 losso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2009 18:18 Sentenal wrote:
Pimpest Plays 07 called Bisu doing it to Pokju "Horror Gating", so the term has been around for at least a few years.


i've always called it "pokju rush". sounds so much cuter



i've always called it "bisu proxi". sounds so much cuter
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TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-19 13:54:01
November 19 2009 13:48 GMT
#21
On November 19 2009 16:04 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2009 16:03 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
what the hell is a horror gate


Proxy gate in base. IDK why people call it a horror gate now T_T

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=43233#12
Earliest mention of it. also Horror gate is just a badass name. 'In base proxy' is when it isnt in plain sight, depends on surprise. Horror gate is like ROFL SUP CANT TOUCH THIS where the users intent is to horrify the victim with a show of superior micro
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wok
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States504 Posts
November 19 2009 14:14 GMT
#22
On November 19 2009 22:21 MasterReY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2009 19:06 losso wrote:
On November 19 2009 18:18 Sentenal wrote:
Pimpest Plays 07 called Bisu doing it to Pokju "Horror Gating", so the term has been around for at least a few years.


i've always called it "pokju rush". sounds so much cuter



i've always called it "bisu proxi". sounds so much cuter

But bisu has a much more badass proxy... Like the pylon outside main with gate in main.
I'll race you to defeatism... you win.
n3m0
Profile Joined January 2007
Portugal247 Posts
November 19 2009 14:26 GMT
#23
Unfortunatly he cheeses a lot :p
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 19 2009 14:29 GMT
#24
Horror gates are much harder to defend. There are a few threads on how to counter the manner pylon into proxy gates (yes, bisu vs pokju was the most famous game involving them).

If you're defending it, the problem is that not only do you have decreased mining rate, making it so that your economies are just about even (or maybe yours is even worse), but the opponent will usually proxy 9/9 behind your minerals, making his 2 gate pretty much as fast as possible. If you attempt to build more probes to catch up, then you get the problem that pokju had - bisu had more zeals inside his base.

Still not sure what the counter is. iirc, chill was defending going forge first at one point, but I'm not sure if he still holds the same position today.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 19 2009 14:34 GMT
#25
On November 19 2009 23:29 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Horror gates are much harder to defend. There are a few threads on how to counter the manner pylon into proxy gates (yes, bisu vs pokju was the most famous game involving them).

If you're defending it, the problem is that not only do you have decreased mining rate, making it so that your economies are just about even (or maybe yours is even worse), but the opponent will usually proxy 9/9 behind your minerals, making his 2 gate pretty much as fast as possible. If you attempt to build more probes to catch up, then you get the problem that pokju had - bisu had more zeals inside his base.

Still not sure what the counter is. iirc, chill was defending going forge first at one point, but I'm not sure if he still holds the same position today.

i just pull two probes and micro. i don't think there's a perfect counter. just gotta micro better than him.
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
November 19 2009 15:57 GMT
#26
On November 19 2009 17:21 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2009 16:03 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
what the hell is a horror gate

I said the same thing earlier. A quick tl search reveals it to be a proxy gate built off a manner pylon (Bisu on peaks style) as opposed to a hidden proxy gate.
Someone made up the term about 3 days ago I think. Looks like it'll stick though.


Wat. I'm pretty it's been called a horror gate for a relatively long time. I don't remember the first VOD i watched where it was called that, but this was like 4-5 months ago.
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wok
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States504 Posts
November 19 2009 16:10 GMT
#27
Definitely the Bisu Pokju was the classic use of this strategy. I used it to get to D+ in PvP... because d players don't defend it right.
I'll race you to defeatism... you win.
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
November 19 2009 16:44 GMT
#28
On November 19 2009 23:29 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Horror gates are much harder to defend. There are a few threads on how to counter the manner pylon into proxy gates (yes, bisu vs pokju was the most famous game involving them).

If you're defending it, the problem is that not only do you have decreased mining rate, making it so that your economies are just about even (or maybe yours is even worse), but the opponent will usually proxy 9/9 behind your minerals, making his 2 gate pretty much as fast as possible. If you attempt to build more probes to catch up, then you get the problem that pokju had - bisu had more zeals inside his base.

Still not sure what the counter is. iirc, chill was defending going forge first at one point, but I'm not sure if he still holds the same position today.


i played in an iccup tournament for fun and did this in a pvp.

he went forge and defended it. i may have done it poorly but that did seem like an ok response.
Response
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States1938 Posts
November 19 2009 16:48 GMT
#29
forge first seems like an awesome counter haha, I never even thought of that, I'm going to try it:-P
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ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
November 19 2009 16:50 GMT
#30
I also remember louder countering with a forge somewhere in there (though it wasn't first). He got one cannon in his mineral line to prevent zeals dancing around his and then went 3 gate all in zeal and owned the poor toss =O.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
November 19 2009 16:55 GMT
#31
horror gate sounds pretty awesome imo
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-19 18:15:34
November 19 2009 18:14 GMT
#32
bisu build

ps: ~4 probes usually roflown horror gates
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
November 19 2009 19:34 GMT
#33
On November 19 2009 16:06 wok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2009 15:52 Grobyc wrote:
so...

what do you want, a sticker or something now?

Yup. You have one?

Show nested quote +
On November 19 2009 15:43 mOnion wrote:
replay or it didnt happen

also dont worry. i think kwark is kinda good.


I very much wish it didn't happen. hahahaha :p

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If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
November 19 2009 20:00 GMT
#34
Legendary indeed. :D

Good game, thanks for posting!
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
November 20 2009 21:26 GMT
#35
horror gate
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