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On November 03 2009 10:28 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 10:18 Folca wrote:On November 03 2009 10:05 BanZu wrote:On November 03 2009 07:39 Therapy wrote:
The fact that he's christian is easily inferred. And clearly you didn't listen closely enough. He explicitly said he's scared for those who think they know where they go when they die, but they really don't. But clearly HE does because his religion is correct hurrdurr Fuck, might as well not tell other people we care about them through our beliefs because everyone should be only half-hearted and half-believing when it comes to religion. RIGHT.... Don't be stupid. On November 03 2009 08:02 Therapy wrote:On November 03 2009 07:59 bITt.mAN wrote:
You know what he has that is so hard to come by in this world we live in? Peace, inner peace.
The thing that makes his testimony so much more potent is that we know that he has conviction, and it is such a strong sign to the world of what true faith can give you, Peace in the face of death.
Now it may sound cheesy what Clayton said, and people will probably put him down, call him blind or condescending, but look at that 19-year-old. I challenge anyone who comes across this thread to look at that man who is not even twenty and think for just one moment what it would be like to be him, to know that you ARE going to die, quite soon in fact.
Then the real question is: are you ready to die? (morbid topic I know but important too) Are you ready to die? Are you in any way a tiny part of the man he is, to have the strength and courage to accept the fact that you very probably will NOT wake up tomorrow, yet are still concerned about OTHER people? A question, how the hell is it possible that this, thin, meek, 19-year-old guy has the strength and courage and moral fiber to do this?
This guy knows he's gonna die (he has, in fact, already died), but instead of being scared for himself, desperate to try and postpone his death with countless chemicals, living recklessly, committing suicide (which is what I thought the clip was about at first) or whatever, he is trying to help other people??? WTF
Can I get a collective WTF from the world here? He is genuinely concerned about other people when you would think to only care about the last few days you have left.
Though he may be dying, this guy is doing his best to help OTHER people INSTEAD OF HIMSELF. And look at him, look at the peace he has, which I wish I could have. I mean really, I wish that I could be just a tiny part of the man he is. I can't help asking myself; "What is it that he has that gives him his strength and courage?" That's what's so hard for me to accept about church and religion. I have no problem with people's personal faiths as long as it doesn't interfere with MY life. It's just when they feel obligated to "help" me and save my soul that I get irritated. This type of speech is simply not appropriate for a school assembly or whatever it is that is depicted in the video. I am glad he found inner peace but I wish he wouldn't try to help others by touting his faith and religion to everyone who'll listen. EDIT: and I'm sorry to hear that he's passed, I hope his passing was peaceful and that he left this world content and with no regrets. Let's just say that God DID exist. Wouldn't you feel like a fool to have said that? Let's say that a invisible pink unicorn exists. Then what? Do you have any experience regarding this pink unicorn? Books? Testimonials? People? Thank you, come again.
I would like to testify that I've had a personal relationship with the unicorn in question all my life. In fact, I live my life entirely through the guidance of her teachings. I even scribbled some of them down on a restaurant napkin the other day. It was intense; I tell you.
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On November 03 2009 11:17 Draconizard wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 10:28 BanZu wrote:On November 03 2009 10:18 Folca wrote:On November 03 2009 10:05 BanZu wrote:On November 03 2009 07:39 Therapy wrote:
The fact that he's christian is easily inferred. And clearly you didn't listen closely enough. He explicitly said he's scared for those who think they know where they go when they die, but they really don't. But clearly HE does because his religion is correct hurrdurr Fuck, might as well not tell other people we care about them through our beliefs because everyone should be only half-hearted and half-believing when it comes to religion. RIGHT.... Don't be stupid. On November 03 2009 08:02 Therapy wrote:On November 03 2009 07:59 bITt.mAN wrote:
You know what he has that is so hard to come by in this world we live in? Peace, inner peace.
The thing that makes his testimony so much more potent is that we know that he has conviction, and it is such a strong sign to the world of what true faith can give you, Peace in the face of death.
Now it may sound cheesy what Clayton said, and people will probably put him down, call him blind or condescending, but look at that 19-year-old. I challenge anyone who comes across this thread to look at that man who is not even twenty and think for just one moment what it would be like to be him, to know that you ARE going to die, quite soon in fact.
Then the real question is: are you ready to die? (morbid topic I know but important too) Are you ready to die? Are you in any way a tiny part of the man he is, to have the strength and courage to accept the fact that you very probably will NOT wake up tomorrow, yet are still concerned about OTHER people? A question, how the hell is it possible that this, thin, meek, 19-year-old guy has the strength and courage and moral fiber to do this?
This guy knows he's gonna die (he has, in fact, already died), but instead of being scared for himself, desperate to try and postpone his death with countless chemicals, living recklessly, committing suicide (which is what I thought the clip was about at first) or whatever, he is trying to help other people??? WTF
Can I get a collective WTF from the world here? He is genuinely concerned about other people when you would think to only care about the last few days you have left.
Though he may be dying, this guy is doing his best to help OTHER people INSTEAD OF HIMSELF. And look at him, look at the peace he has, which I wish I could have. I mean really, I wish that I could be just a tiny part of the man he is. I can't help asking myself; "What is it that he has that gives him his strength and courage?" That's what's so hard for me to accept about church and religion. I have no problem with people's personal faiths as long as it doesn't interfere with MY life. It's just when they feel obligated to "help" me and save my soul that I get irritated. This type of speech is simply not appropriate for a school assembly or whatever it is that is depicted in the video. I am glad he found inner peace but I wish he wouldn't try to help others by touting his faith and religion to everyone who'll listen. EDIT: and I'm sorry to hear that he's passed, I hope his passing was peaceful and that he left this world content and with no regrets. Let's just say that God DID exist. Wouldn't you feel like a fool to have said that? Let's say that a invisible pink unicorn exists. Then what? Do you have any experience regarding this pink unicorn? Books? Testimonials? People? Thank you, come again. I would like to testify that I've had a personal relationship with the unicorn in question all my life. In fact, I live my life entirely through the guidance of her teachings. I even scribbled some of them down on a restaurant napkin the other day. It was intense; I tell you.
all unicorns are males buddy --- man I hate when people misread the teachings.
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Gasp, a heretic; burn him at stake! I am the true prophet of the unicorn!
(PS, the IPU is generally accepted as female)
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On November 03 2009 10:28 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 10:18 Folca wrote:On November 03 2009 10:05 BanZu wrote:On November 03 2009 07:39 Therapy wrote:
The fact that he's christian is easily inferred. And clearly you didn't listen closely enough. He explicitly said he's scared for those who think they know where they go when they die, but they really don't. But clearly HE does because his religion is correct hurrdurr Fuck, might as well not tell other people we care about them through our beliefs because everyone should be only half-hearted and half-believing when it comes to religion. RIGHT.... Don't be stupid. On November 03 2009 08:02 Therapy wrote:On November 03 2009 07:59 bITt.mAN wrote:
You know what he has that is so hard to come by in this world we live in? Peace, inner peace.
The thing that makes his testimony so much more potent is that we know that he has conviction, and it is such a strong sign to the world of what true faith can give you, Peace in the face of death.
Now it may sound cheesy what Clayton said, and people will probably put him down, call him blind or condescending, but look at that 19-year-old. I challenge anyone who comes across this thread to look at that man who is not even twenty and think for just one moment what it would be like to be him, to know that you ARE going to die, quite soon in fact.
Then the real question is: are you ready to die? (morbid topic I know but important too) Are you ready to die? Are you in any way a tiny part of the man he is, to have the strength and courage to accept the fact that you very probably will NOT wake up tomorrow, yet are still concerned about OTHER people? A question, how the hell is it possible that this, thin, meek, 19-year-old guy has the strength and courage and moral fiber to do this?
This guy knows he's gonna die (he has, in fact, already died), but instead of being scared for himself, desperate to try and postpone his death with countless chemicals, living recklessly, committing suicide (which is what I thought the clip was about at first) or whatever, he is trying to help other people??? WTF
Can I get a collective WTF from the world here? He is genuinely concerned about other people when you would think to only care about the last few days you have left.
Though he may be dying, this guy is doing his best to help OTHER people INSTEAD OF HIMSELF. And look at him, look at the peace he has, which I wish I could have. I mean really, I wish that I could be just a tiny part of the man he is. I can't help asking myself; "What is it that he has that gives him his strength and courage?" That's what's so hard for me to accept about church and religion. I have no problem with people's personal faiths as long as it doesn't interfere with MY life. It's just when they feel obligated to "help" me and save my soul that I get irritated. This type of speech is simply not appropriate for a school assembly or whatever it is that is depicted in the video. I am glad he found inner peace but I wish he wouldn't try to help others by touting his faith and religion to everyone who'll listen. EDIT: and I'm sorry to hear that he's passed, I hope his passing was peaceful and that he left this world content and with no regrets. Let's just say that God DID exist. Wouldn't you feel like a fool to have said that? Let's say that a invisible pink unicorn exists. Then what? Do you have any experience regarding this pink unicorn? Books? Testimonials? People? Thank you, come again.
There's a lot of people who witnessed the divine being of the spaghetti monster
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On November 03 2009 11:04 Therapy wrote:
Sorry BanZu I don't argue with people who don't present logical arguments. It's a huge waste of my time.
Oh, you're a cool guy.
Pretty stupid guy at that though, I wasn't even presenting an argument.
It was a simple question loooooooooooooooooooooooool
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On November 03 2009 11:50 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 11:04 Therapy wrote:
Sorry BanZu I don't argue with people who don't present logical arguments. It's a huge waste of my time. Oh, you're a cool guy. Pretty stupid guy at that though, I wasn't even presenting an argument. It was a simple question loooooooooooooooooooooooool
actually by asking these questions you presented the argument that christianity, unlike the unicorn story, has a basis which...
Hm maybe Therapy was right just not continuing with this.
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On November 03 2009 12:02 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 11:50 BanZu wrote:On November 03 2009 11:04 Therapy wrote:
Sorry BanZu I don't argue with people who don't present logical arguments. It's a huge waste of my time. Oh, you're a cool guy. Pretty stupid guy at that though, I wasn't even presenting an argument. It was a simple question loooooooooooooooooooooooool actually by asking these questions you presented the argument that christianity, unlike the unicorn story, has a basis which... Hm maybe Therapy was right just not continuing with this.
Asking him to consider something is an argument?
LOOOL TO YOU TOO SIR
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You're right. You were not in fact presenting a valid argument. As far as I understand though christians reject the notion of having faith "just in case" and that faith must be based on real heartfelt belief. As such, your inference that I should accept religion because I would feel "silly" upon realizing that there is a god, and a christian one at that, is utterly ridiculous.
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He doesn't believe the invisible pink unicorn, time to start the Crusades. Dark Ages here we come!
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Fine, fuck it. I'll just let the trolls take over. You can be scared for me because I don't belief in a christian heaven if you want BanZu. I hope one day you will open your mind to the wonderful world of logic and accept reason into your heart. In the meantime I'll do mathematical proofs for your soul.
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On November 03 2009 12:05 Therapy wrote:
You're right. You were not in fact presenting a valid argument. As far as I understand though christians reject the notion of having faith "just in case" and that faith must be based on real heartfelt belief. As such, your inference that I should accept religion because I would feel "silly" upon realizing that there is a god, and a christian one at that, is utterly ridiculous.
Uhh... assuming way too much loooool. I only posted one post in response to your post and you're nerdraging like no other. I didn't even mean to impose on your beliefs or anything like that, but wow. You sure do PMS when it comes to religious "arguments".
On November 03 2009 12:16 Therapy wrote:
Fine, fuck it. I'll just let the trolls take over. You can be scared for me because I don't belief in a christian heaven if you want BanZu. I hope one day you will open your mind to the wonderful world of logic and accept reason into your heart. In the meantime I'll do mathematical proofs for your soul.
Once again, you assume too much about me. Scared for you? lol
You're bringing waaaaay too much of your bias into this by assuming that I'm some religious freak that impedes on other people's beliefs and forces myself on others. You seriously need to approach each person differently cause you're coming off as a huge douche. I felt that my post was just a harmless reply but you're taking it way too seriously.
Religion and science aren't mutually exclusive. But apparently intelligence and you are.
Btw, I don't think you know what a "troll" is.
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Again with the Ad hominem attacks. Rather than addressing what I'm saying you're just mocking me for caring about the topic. Piss off.
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On November 03 2009 12:38 Therapy wrote:
Again with the Ad hominem attacks. Rather than addressing what I'm saying you're just mocking me for caring about the topic. Piss off.
Did I not address them?
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What i posted is saying that what you assumed about me isn't true (although you probably won't take my word for it).
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On November 03 2009 12:05 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 12:02 7mk wrote:On November 03 2009 11:50 BanZu wrote:On November 03 2009 11:04 Therapy wrote:
Sorry BanZu I don't argue with people who don't present logical arguments. It's a huge waste of my time. Oh, you're a cool guy. Pretty stupid guy at that though, I wasn't even presenting an argument. It was a simple question loooooooooooooooooooooooool actually by asking these questions you presented the argument that christianity, unlike the unicorn story, has a basis which... Hm maybe Therapy was right just not continuing with this. Asking him to consider something is an argument? LOOOL TO YOU TOO SIR
On November 03 2009 11:50 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 11:04 Therapy wrote:
Sorry BanZu I don't argue with people who don't present logical arguments. It's a huge waste of my time. Oh, you're a cool guy. Pretty stupid guy at that though, I wasn't even presenting an argument. It was a simple question loooooooooooooooooooooooool
On November 03 2009 12:35 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 12:05 Therapy wrote:
You're right. You were not in fact presenting a valid argument. As far as I understand though christians reject the notion of having faith "just in case" and that faith must be based on real heartfelt belief. As such, your inference that I should accept religion because I would feel "silly" upon realizing that there is a god, and a christian one at that, is utterly ridiculous. Uhh... assuming way too much loooool.
... And Therapy is the one coming off as a douche? Seriously?
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Hypocrisy at it's finest, when one can't even identify their own actions.
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I answered his question, too, but he just chose to ignore me. 
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On November 03 2009 13:09 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 12:05 BanZu wrote:On November 03 2009 12:02 7mk wrote:On November 03 2009 11:50 BanZu wrote:On November 03 2009 11:04 Therapy wrote:
Sorry BanZu I don't argue with people who don't present logical arguments. It's a huge waste of my time. Oh, you're a cool guy. Pretty stupid guy at that though, I wasn't even presenting an argument. It was a simple question loooooooooooooooooooooooool actually by asking these questions you presented the argument that christianity, unlike the unicorn story, has a basis which... Hm maybe Therapy was right just not continuing with this. Asking him to consider something is an argument? LOOOL TO YOU TOO SIR Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 11:50 BanZu wrote:On November 03 2009 11:04 Therapy wrote:
Sorry BanZu I don't argue with people who don't present logical arguments. It's a huge waste of my time. Oh, you're a cool guy. Pretty stupid guy at that though, I wasn't even presenting an argument. It was a simple question loooooooooooooooooooooooool Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 12:35 BanZu wrote:On November 03 2009 12:05 Therapy wrote:
You're right. You were not in fact presenting a valid argument. As far as I understand though christians reject the notion of having faith "just in case" and that faith must be based on real heartfelt belief. As such, your inference that I should accept religion because I would feel "silly" upon realizing that there is a god, and a christian one at that, is utterly ridiculous. Uhh... assuming way too much loooool. ... And Therapy is the one coming off as a douche? Seriously?
So me being a douche means it's ok for him?
On November 03 2009 13:13 Draconizard wrote:I answered his question, too, but he just chose to ignore me.
Do you feel neglected? :[
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Awwww, thats nice all of you having a bitching contest about semantics, what so-and-so said and nice pink unicorns, how cute.
If this video makes you uncomfortable just say it, instead of going off on juvenile tangents
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On November 03 2009 09:48 Xusneb wrote:
It was good until the end. "every breath given to me... BY GOD" Ugh, sorry, you can send the same message without the overt religiousness. Specifically this one: Live for the moment and learn to be more appreciative of life.
I just watched the longer video on the web page mentioned in the end of this video and I don't think that was his message at all...
He says he's scared because he knows there's a lot of people who don't know where they are going. The way I interpret his message is that we should not live in the moment and cloud our vision with things that doesn't really matter. I think he's scared because he thinks we're losing our very purpose by worrying about what we can accomplish in our lives instead of focusing on what matters in the long run. That would be to give your life to God so that it will have a meaning that is greater than just what we make up in our own minds.
I haven't heard of him before though, so I might be wrong on some points. But I seriously doubt that he intended to tell us we should live for the moment.
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