• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:45
CET 04:45
KST 12:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win2RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge2[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14
StarCraft 2
General
When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket
Tourneys
Tenacious Turtle Tussle [Alpha Pro Series] Nice vs Cure RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death
Brood War
General
Which season is the best in ASL? [BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D) Data analysis on 70 million replays FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group A - Sat 21:00 CET
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason The Perfect Game Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2194 users

In dire need of philosophy

Blogs > nimysa
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
nimysa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States383 Posts
October 27 2009 00:58 GMT
#1
So I've reached a point in life where things are changing fast and it's a confusing period without much answers and too many questions, my mind is basically in a blank slate right now and I was wondering if you guys could recommend me any classical works (ex: montaigne,locke,lao-tzu etc). Specifically works that are very logical, gives you analytic clear coherent arguments and teaches you a certain type of philosophical thinking (ex:sherlock holmes=empiricism).

plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
October 27 2009 01:01 GMT
#2
Buy a philosophy 101-book. That should give you a decent overview of important philosophers and what they've contributed with. You don't want to go straight in and read their unworked books without getting some basics in place, since it'll just confuse or malfocus your perception of philosophy.
Savior broke my heart ;_; || twitch.tv/onnings
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-27 01:40:16
October 27 2009 01:13 GMT
#3
"Philosophy: Who Needs It?" (Ayn Rand). Always remember that any good philosopher will present arguments and encourage you to draw your own conclusions from them (as they themselves have done), so check your premises constantly.
ManBearPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Belgium207 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-27 01:27:36
October 27 2009 01:19 GMT
#4
So you're looking for logical, analytic works? On what subjects? Basically the entire English tradition is filled with analytic, logical thinking. If you're looking for a book that's not too hard to read and offers perspectives from different philosophers on some of life's problems, you could try The Consolations of Philosophy by Alain de Botton.
If you're looking to become a 'fan' of some philosophers and read them firsthand, you should probably read a history of philosophy first. Just go medieval/modern english tradition if you want it clearcut and analytical.
edit: if you're looking for some sort of 'methodology' to philosophical thinking, try Robert Todd Carroll's Becoming a Critical Thinker - A Guide for the New Millennium.
hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
October 27 2009 01:31 GMT
#5
"Philosophy: Who Needs It?" (Any Rand)

You mean Ayn Rand, and look into her other books too.
People are imbeciles, lucky thing god made cats.
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
October 27 2009 01:40 GMT
#6
On October 27 2009 10:31 hellokitty[hk] wrote:
Show nested quote +
"Philosophy: Who Needs It?" (Any Rand)

You mean Ayn Rand, and look into her other books too.

Yep, typo. Fixed now. :D
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 27 2009 01:46 GMT
#7
i'm confused too
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
October 27 2009 01:47 GMT
#8
On October 27 2009 09:58 nimysa wrote:
So I've reached a point in life where things are changing fast and it's a confusing period without much answers and too many questions, my mind is basically in a blank slate right now and I was wondering if you guys could recommend me any classical works (ex: montaigne,locke,lao-tzu etc). Specifically works that are very logical, gives you analytic clear coherent arguments and teaches you a certain type of philosophical thinking (ex:sherlock holmes=empiricism).

You can't perform proper logical analysis without first determining what hidden assumptions you have.

Travel to the start of western philosophy and read greek/egyptian mythology, then go do some Plato/Aristotle.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
nimysa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States383 Posts
October 27 2009 01:48 GMT
#9
besides ayn rand, I want works similar to kant's attack on reason and other philosophies like that.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
October 27 2009 01:59 GMT
#10
If you really want something analytical try Euclidean and Non-Euclidean Geometries. It sounds strange, but it changed the way I look at serious arguments in any field: fundamental assumptions matter hugely and most times we don't even spend time thinking about them.

Bar that... get a subscription to hustler.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
October 27 2009 02:29 GMT
#11
I think everybody is confused, especially at my point in life, I've figured out that the best thing to do is say "fuck it" and do what I feel like, create a goal, and do it.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
October 27 2009 02:46 GMT
#12
All philosophy is based on logic and reasoning of one kind or another. Logic as it is now isn't what it was back then. Logic is also continually being developed.

I think you're just looking for works with clear argumentation. Logic is a flimsy word in the way you're using it. Kant sounds like a good choice (but it seems you're already familiar with at least some of his work). I've only read his Groundwork, though.

Try reading Descartes. His Meditations on the First Philosophy (or something like that...I can't remember the exact title) has very interesting argumentation, but no reliance on logic as we know it today.
Hello
lOvOlUNiMEDiA
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States643 Posts
October 27 2009 03:14 GMT
#13
I was surprised that Rand was mentioned in this thread. And even more surprised the mention of her name didn't unleash a tornado of snickers and smears. Regardless, I agree that Rand is a great choice -- especially considering you are looking for a comprehensive, integrated approach to life. Rand, like Aristotle, thought that Philosophy is the tool needed to live a good life. Good Luck.
To say that I'm missing the point, you would first have to show that such work can have a point.
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
October 27 2009 03:16 GMT
#14
On October 27 2009 12:14 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote:
I was surprised that Rand was mentioned in this thread. And even more surprised the mention of her name didn't unleash a tornado of snickers and smears. Regardless, I agree that Rand is a great choice -- especially considering you are looking for a comprehensive, integrated approach to life. Rand, like Aristotle, thought that Philosophy is the tool needed to live a good life. Good Luck.

I'm also pleased thus far. Then again, if you read Atlas Shrugged it basically spells out almost exactly what's happening economically to the world today. It's almost scary how relevant and precise it is despite being written over 50 years ago. I suppose that's why it has reemerged on best-seller lists.
Knickknack
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1187 Posts
October 27 2009 03:23 GMT
#15
History lessons will probably bore you, so The Consolations of Philosophy by Alain de Botton is a good start.

ayn rand...well academics and intellectuals largely ignore her, not without good reason.

Since you seem to want to learn certain schools of thought, off the top of my head i would say pragmatism as that is critical of traditional metaphysics and epistemology as well. A short essay to start: http://peirce.org/writings/p107.html

I'd probably recommend reading/listening to shorter bits and then going deeper into whatever you fancy. Some things to look though:
http://www.btinternet.com/~glynhughes/squashed/
http://www.philosophypress.co.uk/
http://philosophynow.org/
http://www.philosophytalk.org/
http://nigelwarburton.typepad.com/philosophy_bites/
http://webcast.berkeley.edu/courses.php?semesterid=2010-B
| www.ArtofProtoss.vze.com |
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-27 04:07:34
October 27 2009 03:54 GMT
#16
Nietzsche's Twilight of the Idols or How to Philosophize with a Hammer summarized all which was relevant and paved the way for everything that followed. He touches on Plato/Socrates, Hume, Kant, Schopenhauer and begins to to discuss the issues that the so-called post-modernists like Heidegger and Foucault carried. His subsequent title, Der Antichrist, is also worth your time.

EDIT:
On second thought, there are many subtle references the author makes so if you are not versed in greek and german philosophy pre-Nietzsche then maybe you should just read Plato.

Philosophy is like music. Every masterpiece has fans and detractors. Depends what you like to read. If you want "logic" you can read Aristotle or Wittgenstein but the contents do not exactly match-up despite both being "logical". Basically, your OP is not entirely clear.
Mickey
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2606 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-27 04:04:53
October 27 2009 04:02 GMT
#17
On October 27 2009 12:54 omninmo wrote:
Nietzsche's Twilight of the Idols or How to Philosophize with a Hammer summarized all which was relevant and paved the way for everything that followed. He touches on Plato/Socrates, Hume, Kant, Schopenhauer and begins to to discuss the issues that the so-called post-modernists like Heidegger and Foucault carried.

This is solid advice.
Equaoh
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada427 Posts
October 27 2009 04:06 GMT
#18
I snorted when I saw Ayn Rand on this list, only because I'm so used to people calling it pseudo-philosophy I certainly haven't read Atlas Shrugged, so I won't judge.

I'd suggest some Indian philosophy - read the Vedantas or the Bhagavad Gita. I think the topics they deal with are so broad they'd give you the grounding you need to think logically in whatever situation you're in
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
October 27 2009 04:36 GMT
#19
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism one of my personal favorites..
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
mangomango
Profile Joined September 2009
United States265 Posts
October 27 2009 04:41 GMT
#20
Forget Rand. Read Food For the Heart by Ajahn Chah
Husky: Every drone you lose is like a needle in the eye. Nony: probes win $10k (Earn it! Idra Fighting) :P
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
00:00
Biweekly #36
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft407
SortOf 101
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 9446
Calm 4263
Artosis 693
Noble 197
Icarus 11
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm94
PiLiPiLi15
League of Legends
JimRising 772
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1803
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1096
C9.Mang0336
Other Games
summit1g914
ViBE164
CosmosSc2 20
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1183
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream174
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki16
• RayReign 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21239
League of Legends
• Rush1273
• Stunt119
• Lourlo77
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
6h 15m
Replay Cast
19h 15m
OSC
1d 13h
LAN Event
1d 14h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
StarCraft2.fi
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
StarCraft2.fi
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
StarCraft2.fi
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

SOOP Univ League 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Disclosure: This page contains affiliate marketing links that support TLnet.

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.