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nimysa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States383 Posts
October 27 2009 00:58 GMT
#1
So I've reached a point in life where things are changing fast and it's a confusing period without much answers and too many questions, my mind is basically in a blank slate right now and I was wondering if you guys could recommend me any classical works (ex: montaigne,locke,lao-tzu etc). Specifically works that are very logical, gives you analytic clear coherent arguments and teaches you a certain type of philosophical thinking (ex:sherlock holmes=empiricism).

plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
October 27 2009 01:01 GMT
#2
Buy a philosophy 101-book. That should give you a decent overview of important philosophers and what they've contributed with. You don't want to go straight in and read their unworked books without getting some basics in place, since it'll just confuse or malfocus your perception of philosophy.
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Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-27 01:40:16
October 27 2009 01:13 GMT
#3
"Philosophy: Who Needs It?" (Ayn Rand). Always remember that any good philosopher will present arguments and encourage you to draw your own conclusions from them (as they themselves have done), so check your premises constantly.
ManBearPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Belgium207 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-27 01:27:36
October 27 2009 01:19 GMT
#4
So you're looking for logical, analytic works? On what subjects? Basically the entire English tradition is filled with analytic, logical thinking. If you're looking for a book that's not too hard to read and offers perspectives from different philosophers on some of life's problems, you could try The Consolations of Philosophy by Alain de Botton.
If you're looking to become a 'fan' of some philosophers and read them firsthand, you should probably read a history of philosophy first. Just go medieval/modern english tradition if you want it clearcut and analytical.
edit: if you're looking for some sort of 'methodology' to philosophical thinking, try Robert Todd Carroll's Becoming a Critical Thinker - A Guide for the New Millennium.
hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
October 27 2009 01:31 GMT
#5
"Philosophy: Who Needs It?" (Any Rand)

You mean Ayn Rand, and look into her other books too.
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Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
October 27 2009 01:40 GMT
#6
On October 27 2009 10:31 hellokitty[hk] wrote:
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"Philosophy: Who Needs It?" (Any Rand)

You mean Ayn Rand, and look into her other books too.

Yep, typo. Fixed now. :D
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 27 2009 01:46 GMT
#7
i'm confused too
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
October 27 2009 01:47 GMT
#8
On October 27 2009 09:58 nimysa wrote:
So I've reached a point in life where things are changing fast and it's a confusing period without much answers and too many questions, my mind is basically in a blank slate right now and I was wondering if you guys could recommend me any classical works (ex: montaigne,locke,lao-tzu etc). Specifically works that are very logical, gives you analytic clear coherent arguments and teaches you a certain type of philosophical thinking (ex:sherlock holmes=empiricism).

You can't perform proper logical analysis without first determining what hidden assumptions you have.

Travel to the start of western philosophy and read greek/egyptian mythology, then go do some Plato/Aristotle.
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nimysa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States383 Posts
October 27 2009 01:48 GMT
#9
besides ayn rand, I want works similar to kant's attack on reason and other philosophies like that.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
October 27 2009 01:59 GMT
#10
If you really want something analytical try Euclidean and Non-Euclidean Geometries. It sounds strange, but it changed the way I look at serious arguments in any field: fundamental assumptions matter hugely and most times we don't even spend time thinking about them.

Bar that... get a subscription to hustler.
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ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
October 27 2009 02:29 GMT
#11
I think everybody is confused, especially at my point in life, I've figured out that the best thing to do is say "fuck it" and do what I feel like, create a goal, and do it.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
October 27 2009 02:46 GMT
#12
All philosophy is based on logic and reasoning of one kind or another. Logic as it is now isn't what it was back then. Logic is also continually being developed.

I think you're just looking for works with clear argumentation. Logic is a flimsy word in the way you're using it. Kant sounds like a good choice (but it seems you're already familiar with at least some of his work). I've only read his Groundwork, though.

Try reading Descartes. His Meditations on the First Philosophy (or something like that...I can't remember the exact title) has very interesting argumentation, but no reliance on logic as we know it today.
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lOvOlUNiMEDiA
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States643 Posts
October 27 2009 03:14 GMT
#13
I was surprised that Rand was mentioned in this thread. And even more surprised the mention of her name didn't unleash a tornado of snickers and smears. Regardless, I agree that Rand is a great choice -- especially considering you are looking for a comprehensive, integrated approach to life. Rand, like Aristotle, thought that Philosophy is the tool needed to live a good life. Good Luck.
To say that I'm missing the point, you would first have to show that such work can have a point.
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
October 27 2009 03:16 GMT
#14
On October 27 2009 12:14 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote:
I was surprised that Rand was mentioned in this thread. And even more surprised the mention of her name didn't unleash a tornado of snickers and smears. Regardless, I agree that Rand is a great choice -- especially considering you are looking for a comprehensive, integrated approach to life. Rand, like Aristotle, thought that Philosophy is the tool needed to live a good life. Good Luck.

I'm also pleased thus far. Then again, if you read Atlas Shrugged it basically spells out almost exactly what's happening economically to the world today. It's almost scary how relevant and precise it is despite being written over 50 years ago. I suppose that's why it has reemerged on best-seller lists.
Knickknack
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1187 Posts
October 27 2009 03:23 GMT
#15
History lessons will probably bore you, so The Consolations of Philosophy by Alain de Botton is a good start.

ayn rand...well academics and intellectuals largely ignore her, not without good reason.

Since you seem to want to learn certain schools of thought, off the top of my head i would say pragmatism as that is critical of traditional metaphysics and epistemology as well. A short essay to start: http://peirce.org/writings/p107.html

I'd probably recommend reading/listening to shorter bits and then going deeper into whatever you fancy. Some things to look though:
http://www.btinternet.com/~glynhughes/squashed/
http://www.philosophypress.co.uk/
http://philosophynow.org/
http://www.philosophytalk.org/
http://nigelwarburton.typepad.com/philosophy_bites/
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omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-27 04:07:34
October 27 2009 03:54 GMT
#16
Nietzsche's Twilight of the Idols or How to Philosophize with a Hammer summarized all which was relevant and paved the way for everything that followed. He touches on Plato/Socrates, Hume, Kant, Schopenhauer and begins to to discuss the issues that the so-called post-modernists like Heidegger and Foucault carried. His subsequent title, Der Antichrist, is also worth your time.

EDIT:
On second thought, there are many subtle references the author makes so if you are not versed in greek and german philosophy pre-Nietzsche then maybe you should just read Plato.

Philosophy is like music. Every masterpiece has fans and detractors. Depends what you like to read. If you want "logic" you can read Aristotle or Wittgenstein but the contents do not exactly match-up despite both being "logical". Basically, your OP is not entirely clear.
Mickey
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2606 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-27 04:04:53
October 27 2009 04:02 GMT
#17
On October 27 2009 12:54 omninmo wrote:
Nietzsche's Twilight of the Idols or How to Philosophize with a Hammer summarized all which was relevant and paved the way for everything that followed. He touches on Plato/Socrates, Hume, Kant, Schopenhauer and begins to to discuss the issues that the so-called post-modernists like Heidegger and Foucault carried.

This is solid advice.
Equaoh
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada427 Posts
October 27 2009 04:06 GMT
#18
I snorted when I saw Ayn Rand on this list, only because I'm so used to people calling it pseudo-philosophy I certainly haven't read Atlas Shrugged, so I won't judge.

I'd suggest some Indian philosophy - read the Vedantas or the Bhagavad Gita. I think the topics they deal with are so broad they'd give you the grounding you need to think logically in whatever situation you're in
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
October 27 2009 04:36 GMT
#19
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism one of my personal favorites..
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
mangomango
Profile Joined September 2009
United States265 Posts
October 27 2009 04:41 GMT
#20
Forget Rand. Read Food For the Heart by Ajahn Chah
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