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Ultimate Villain of Starcraft..?

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vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 23:13:51
September 10 2009 23:13 GMT
#1
Now.. I've been following the Starcraft scene for a number of years now.. but occasionally I'll read threads and they will state things such as, you know.

-The Most Dominant Player Ever
-Bonjwa
-Best Winning streak
-Most dominant by far in a certain match-up
-Most inventive

and so forth...

but I'm wondering.. which starcraft player.. was the most evil player.. There can be many definitions of this obviously. From.. Bad Mannered to again the highest win ratio to whatever..

And of course all these factors apply. But which starcraft player. Do you think was the most evil.. in any era of dominance from 3 matches to several seasons.

Which player.. struck the most fear into players. Where ya know they were just thinking oh $&#* you mean.. I gotta play that guy?

I'd define evil as.. someone who looks scary.. who is threatening.. you wouldn't want to play against if you could help it and prolly pray to whatever god that some other player happens to knock him out.

I'll just list off a few I considered before making my personal choice..

iloveOOv + Show Spoiler +
This guys tarted the macro age and at the time that had to be scary to most players. It didn't really matter (with few exceptions how ell you micro'd vs Oov)To beat him you had to macro on at least same level as him.. Not only that but iloveOOv created many strategies in all three matchups. but even though OOv did all this I couldn't consider the ultimate villain of starcraft. Thw guy simple doesn't look evil he looks like a nice guy and Is always laughing, shows emotion no bad manner or anything.. to me OOv isn't it.


Firebathero + Show Spoiler +
Ah.. in his prime.. the prince of humiliation.. if you let this guy beat you he'd make a fool of you.. on national television. So bad that eventually KeSPA slowly bans his "ceremonies".. it doesn't matter how great or bad of a player you are.. FBH would make a mockery of you.. the effect? Usually a mini-slump or worse. To me Firebathero is the guy you simply at one point did not want to lose against more than you must have not wanted to lose against any other player in progaming.. ever. But the problem with Firebathero is he wasn't a really dominant player in any matchup except for TvZ.. and again lacked that villain vibe.. to me FBH is more of the brat prince of starcraft.


sAviOr + Show Spoiler +
thats right.. Ma Jae Friggin Yoon. This guy had it all.. Adoring fangirls who at his peak prolly would have fainted if he simply muttered a hurried hi in passing to them, and orgasms if he won a match.. with seemingly no effort. The 4th Bonjwa.. one of the best and most dominant players in starcraft history.. with a certain flair.He was uncheesable.. his sunkens always finishing just in time his swarms perfect.. The dreaded 3 hatch mutas.. the held lurkers.. Ma Jae Yoon made every nearly every progamer look like a D- noob. Not only that MJY had the dreaded CJ face.. it didn't matter how bad he crushed someone or what tournament he had just won MJY looked like under every circumstance like it was just another practice game. Allong with the CJ Mask.. MJY looked scary.. its hard to describe but look at players liek Nal_rA and FlaSh.. EffOrt.. nearly all of them.. they look like nice or norm, all people. But MJY oozed a raw combination of power and a dark mysterious aura. Look at old fanmade pictures promoting "The Holy Wars" between MJY and Kang Min. Kang Min looks happy even laughing in a heavenly back ground.. While The Maestro is surrounded in a abyss-like land wiht dakrenss and small evil creatures all around. The feeling i get when lookign at the picture is the same as when I was 4 or 5 and someone would play with a snake or a spider and let them on their bodies let them crawl around weren't afraid of them.. sAviOr looked like he was perfectly at home in thqt abyss and that made him very scary. It also helped that MJY played zerg.. the monster/evil/villain race in starcaft.


Jaedong + Show Spoiler +
The Tyrant..with a name you bet your ass this guy is one of the most evil players Starcraft has ever seen. Winning several tournaments.. even a OSL gold. His Win ratio in all his matchup's above 60% along with the best ZvZ in history. Jaedong is no doubt a beast. JAedong also has the killer stare.. much like Bruce Lee's you see that and you knwo your F'ed. The mot alarming thing to me about Jaedong is not only is the kid man scary in starcraft. But he also seems a bit scary at times in real life as well.. Jaedong reminds me a of a gangster. He listens to rap.. says things like "I'm going to fucking kill you" before games. Whata baller..


Those are just some of my thoughts on some of the players I considered to to be the ultimate villain..

Who do you guys think..? and why?

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DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
September 10 2009 23:15 GMT
#2
IdrA.

And in your post about Jaedong you state that he says things like "I'm going to fucking kill you" before games. Does he really? Example please? Or are you just fucking with me?

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BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
September 10 2009 23:16 GMT
#3
yellow
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
September 10 2009 23:17 GMT
#4
Which player.. struck the most fear into players. Where ya know they were just thinking oh $&#* you mean.. I gotta play that guy?

I'd define evil as.. someone who looks scary.. who is threatening.. you wouldn't want to play against if you could help it and prolly pray to whatever god that some other player happens to knock him out.


Savior ez
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LeperKahn
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Romania1837 Posts
September 10 2009 23:19 GMT
#5
Ultimate Villain of Starcraft?


Protoss
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DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
September 10 2009 23:19 GMT
#6
On September 11 2009 08:19 LeperKahn wrote:
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Ultimate Villain of Starcraft?


Protoss


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vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
September 10 2009 23:23 GMT
#7
On September 11 2009 08:15 El.Divino wrote:
IdrA.

And in your post about Jaedong you state that he says things like "I'm going to fucking kill you" before games. Does he really? Example please? Or are you just fucking with me?



I remeber this very clearly because in interviews with players..t hey always ask something along the lines of..

"Is there anything you do before match?"

And most players give such BULLSHIT answers its retarded..

Example.. FlaSh: "I just think to myself.. you cant beat me! kekekeke"

99% of progamers say similar things if a little less gay.

iloveOOv, BoxeR, and Jaedong are the only ones I've ever read where they dont say somethinh along those lines.

iloveOOv & BoxeR are more like.. "Admittedly I'm a bit worried going into the game but once i start playing and see my opponent ply bad or sloppy or I get an advantage my confidence grows.. tot eh point where I just steamroll them with that momentum."

But no..

Jaedong is.. "I repeat to myself.. I'm going to fucking kill you over and over."

There is an article here on TL that is an interview with Jaedong and thats his answer. I'd ahve to look for it though. But he damn sure said it.
Breaking Bad
geegee1
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States618 Posts
September 10 2009 23:23 GMT
#8
Go.Go+ Show Spoiler +
the ultimate villain of starcraft trash talking about how good he is and then getting pwned. did i mention he loves offensive CC and is a bug terran how scary is that
pew pew
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
September 10 2009 23:23 GMT
#9
I heard that OOv was actually quite cocky and bad manner before going pro, where he toned it down.

Also,
BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
September 10 2009 23:46 GMT
#10
0:31

THATS MY KEYBOARD LOL
gumbum8
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States721 Posts
September 10 2009 23:48 GMT
#11
I have no idea who i would consider the ultimate villian, but in my 1.5 years of watching starcraft, I'd say most scary is probably Jaedong.
And protoss. God I hate protoss. ^.^
but really, has anyone REALLY been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 10 2009 23:48 GMT
#12
Iloveoov obviously, hated by everyone and destroying everyones favorites!

oov<3
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
September 11 2009 00:00 GMT
#13
CafeMoto ez
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
September 11 2009 00:05 GMT
#14
FBH easy
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Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
September 11 2009 00:19 GMT
#15
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Do I really need to explain?
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
September 11 2009 00:56 GMT
#16
Hmmm, FBH is the cockiest bastard ever and when he did win he completely made you look retarded however when he lost (against much) he cried like a little bitch lols. Another person i would have to say is Reach, need i say more? The guy was physically a big person and very muscular so just thinking that you are playing him would probably leave some sort of impression on you (if i beat him he is gonna come busting into this booth and choke me out ) Of course there are Savior and JD, JD is dominant and just can defend and time things perfectly making it seem like there is 0.000000 chance of winning same with Savior back in the day.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
September 11 2009 01:47 GMT
#17
The PandaBearGuy is all evil.
http://www.kongregate.com/?referrer=Sagess
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-11 03:28:29
September 11 2009 03:26 GMT
#18
actually when FBH wins he is the one that looks retarded!

Bisu is the ultimate villain due to his excessive pride and destroying the maestro in 2007. (Also, playing protoss )

For me, the ultimate villain is the player that destroys the champion. I mean, when did you see a protagonist champion in movies fall to their challenger
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
September 11 2009 05:26 GMT
#19
After really a considerable amount of thinking.. it came down to OOv and sAviOr for me at least.

Still going back and forth between um.
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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
September 11 2009 06:56 GMT
#20
Kespa

They have ultimate power
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
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