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himurakenshin
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1845 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-07 11:24:36
June 07 2007 08:32 GMT
#1
I think that the blog section is ruining the General section of Teamliquid. Before, if somebody has a personal or funny story, they would post it in the General section, and many people would see it and discuss it. I think that was one of the main things which made the TL general forums great. Now everybody posts their stuff in their "Blogs" which isn't really easy to see (you can't see their posts, just their blogs), plus I don't want to feel like I'm reading some persons blog. I liked it much better when I was just reading some funny random post in a general forum. I really wish TL takes this feature away and lets the General Forum flourish.

Does anyone else share the same views as me?

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Poll: Would you like blogs to be removed?
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No

MaZza[KIS]
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia2110 Posts
June 07 2007 08:38 GMT
#2
i secomd thaat view (for what it's worth)
I really wanted a bigger opponent, like Nate Marquardt, or King Neptune, or Zeus, or Zeus and Fedor, or Fedor on Zeus's shoulders, and they can both punch but only Zeus can kick.
AngryLlama
Profile Joined September 2005
United States1227 Posts
June 07 2007 08:41 GMT
#3
i also think blogs suck ;/
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
June 07 2007 08:44 GMT
#4
Me too. I have zero desire to look at blogs of any sort, including those on this site. I really don't see the point.
Moderator
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
June 07 2007 08:45 GMT
#5
On June 07 2007 17:32 himurakenshin wrote:
...is ruining the General section of Teamliquid...


That's an impressive feat.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
geometryb
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1249 Posts
June 07 2007 08:49 GMT
#6
you should've wrote a blog about it.
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
June 07 2007 08:50 GMT
#7
True. Instead of posting in general, now everybody posts in their blogs. Probably less than 10% of everybody who goes to General would then go to someone's specific blog...so, hundreds of great discussion are destroyed. O_O
sAviOr[gm] ~ want to watch good replays? read my blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/wizard
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
June 07 2007 08:51 GMT
#8
actually we should destroy signatures

http://teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=54556 read and be enlightened
vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
June 07 2007 08:56 GMT
#9
a lot of stuff is crossposted and a lot of other stuff wouldn't be made into a thread

besides checking the blogs isn't that big of a hassle
just check out the top rated blogs
Moderatorfollow me on twitter if u think ur so tough @BooyaCow
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
June 07 2007 08:59 GMT
#10
Blogs are good for people who want to go back and remember what people wrote
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-07 09:00:58
June 07 2007 09:00 GMT
#11
yea I have no desire to read someones we'blog' its like reading someones journal or diary. If you got a good story or whatever make a thread, save the bullshit for web logs.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-07 09:05:23
June 07 2007 09:04 GMT
#12
most blogs suck, some are good. it would be nice to have a process to eventually ban/delete bad blogs (by ban i just mean remove blog privelege) but even still you just avoid the crap ones and check out the reputable ones

p.s. i think the good outweighs the bad so it's a non-issue
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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
June 07 2007 09:06 GMT
#13
You should've written this in your blog
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Chosi
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Germany1303 Posts
June 07 2007 09:10 GMT
#14
Urbandictionary Definiton of Blog

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Short for weblog.
A meandering, blatantly uninteresting online diary that gives the author the illusion that people are interested in their stupid, pathetic life. Consists of such riveting entries as "homework sucks" and "I slept until noon today."

or

a place where people bitch about their daily activities which nobody is interested in. topics like why they argue with boyfriend and how they end up together at last, daily aneroxic activities like drinking blended organic fruits and vegetable for breakfast, lunch and dinner, talking about cutting themselves with a razor blade and how good they felt, bitch about their shopping activities and what they got.

just another way to seek attention and sympathy from other people.


I don't like the Blogs here either, imho it does not work well with the concept of a forum & news page.
Someday, you’re going to fuck up so magnificently, so ambitiously, so overwhelmingly that the sky will light up and the moons will spin and the gods themselves will shit comets with glee. And I just hope I’m still around to see it.
geometryb
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1249 Posts
June 07 2007 09:11 GMT
#15
On June 07 2007 18:04 a-game wrote:
most blogs suck, some are good. it would be nice to have a process to eventually ban/delete bad blogs (by ban i just mean remove blog privelege) but even still you just avoid the crap ones and check out the reputable ones

p.s. i think the good outweighs the bad so it's a non-issue


you can avoid the poorly rated ones.
Folca
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
2235 Posts
June 07 2007 09:41 GMT
#16
blogs suck enough said
Dea : one time when he was playing vs the comps he asked me "how do I make that flying unit that makes the other stuff invisible" and I reply "ur playing terran zomg"
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
June 07 2007 09:45 GMT
#17
On June 07 2007 18:06 EvilTeletubby wrote:
You should've written this in your blog


But then we wouldn't be having this amazing discussion. If he posted this on his blog, would he have anyone telling him to post this on his blog? NO
Trucy Wright is hot
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
June 07 2007 09:46 GMT
#18
prove your anger against blogs by carving "screw blogs" in your arm and take a picture.
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-12 13:20:13
June 07 2007 09:54 GMT
#19
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=18 <-- just use that if is too "hard" or too "much" for your mind. Just click that link and even if your are not the sharpest tool in the shed (double pun intended) convinced "blogs" are not for you - you will be able to understand that "complaining" about blog functionality is pointless and narrow minded.

Blogs are just glorified forums threads i.e. a collection of forum threads based on subforum - if you treat them as threads and have access to them as a list of new date-entry threads, which tl.net offers, it only adds to the site and takes nothing away from it. If your mind can't adapt to such a small change just treat blogs as threads and simply use the page listing them according to date entry and not author entry.

The distinction between standard forums (forum plus PM system) and modern forum (i.e a second generation forum with blog functionality - or simply put - a forum with an optional personal thread-gathering subforum that can be viewed publicly - means that the latter only adds functionality to the forum. You are not forced to used the extra functionality - it is up to you, just like you are not forced to used the PM system, the profile entries, the poll funtion etc.. More functionality generally promotes all those things a good forums strive for: more content, recruitment, experience and idea sharing i.e. community building.

People often instead of thinking just repeat cliche's ad naseum; if they simply stopped to think about the issue a few minutes they would realize how pointless are comments criticizing blog functionality as something negative or that it takes away from the general forum. It doesn't at all, in fact it promotes participation, it expands the general-forum-type content and definitively makes sorting out the value stuff from the crap even easier.

I personally like blog functionality since it helps create community, strengthening it, plus it does battle against trolls and smurfs.
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
ShabZzoY!
Profile Joined July 2004
Great Britain760 Posts
June 07 2007 09:59 GMT
#20
All theyve done is add a little content by letting people post stuff that is possibly not worth posting I dont see whats to object to.
Bear in mind that this opinion is a reflection of the section on this site; in principle i hate the idea and the 'word' makes me cringe, but if used right its just a collection of funny posts or an easy way to group some sort of project
I suppose im accepting them easily because I enjoyed some of the ones over on LP before the feature came here and the first few to be posted here were pretty entertaining
Ruins
Profile Joined April 2007
141 Posts
June 07 2007 09:59 GMT
#21
I agree with this for most blogs I have seen online:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish
Nothing is new. We just forget the old.
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-07 10:04:13
June 07 2007 10:03 GMT
#22
Number of stories that would normally flow into General forum: 1000
Number of stories (from above) that are good: 3

Keeps the riff-raff off the General forums; not a bad thing. Also, blogs here are new. By next year, itll feel like just another subforum (for those who wish to use it), with a more personal feel to it.
Moonlight Shadow
L!MP
Profile Joined March 2003
Australia2067 Posts
June 07 2007 10:06 GMT
#23
hm. so that's why the general forum has been looking skinny lately. just so you bloggers know, this does not mean i'll divert my attention to look at your blogs instead. i'd rather go down a razor blade slide naked and land in a kiddy pool of vinegar.
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-07 10:12:46
June 07 2007 10:12 GMT
#24
Yeah, TL.net is really forcing blogs into your face as it they were cocks. Why goddamn, Id rather eat a fucking cookie (possibly a stale one, oh shi-!) than read things other people are typing!
Moonlight Shadow
AmorVincitOmnia
Profile Joined March 2005
Kenya3846 Posts
June 07 2007 10:17 GMT
#25
i concur.
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himurakenshin
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1845 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-07 11:27:17
June 07 2007 11:23 GMT
#26
On June 07 2007 19:03 useless wrote:
Number of stories that would normally flow into General forum: 1000
Number of stories (from above) that are good: 3

Keeps the riff-raff off the General forums; not a bad thing. Also, blogs here are new. By next year, itll feel like just another subforum (for those who wish to use it), with a more personal feel to it.



Teamliquid's General Forum is special from other forums is because of all the funny random personal funny stories that gets posted here. Stuff like "I am making sex without condom and I doubt my dog is using condom" would not be as popular if it was posted in someone's blog. I enjoy coming to TL because of the unique funny shit that gets posted in the general forums (apart from starcraft). I don't want to say "I like coming to TL to read people's blogs".

edit: For example, i can't remember who, but somebody is having some girl problem thread where he is going to ask out a girl etc etc, but he is posting it in his blog. wtfwtfwtf these girl problem threads with updates were a key element in the TLgeneral greatness. Blogs are ruining teamliquid.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
June 07 2007 12:00 GMT
#27
Blogs just let some people post content they might not otherwise post. It's another place to look for stuff to read if you have nothing to do, nothing too special.

However, the blog section could use a different interface instead: only being able to see the last five posts (or twenty with a little more effort) is a bit crippling. Having a list of posts ordered by date like for the forums would be nice--in essence, making it more like another General Forum in terms of browsing it, except with a different style.
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
June 07 2007 12:02 GMT
#28
# Myrmidon -> check link in my reply.
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
June 07 2007 12:11 GMT
#29
On June 07 2007 21:00 Myrmidon wrote:
However, the blog section could use a different interface instead: only being able to see the last five posts (or twenty with a little more effort) is a bit crippling. Having a list of posts ordered by date like for the forums would be nice--in essence, making it more like another General Forum in terms of browsing it, except with a different style.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=54655
show your support or suggest changes to that!
Moonlight Shadow
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
June 07 2007 13:07 GMT
#30
there.. use it as needed: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=54683
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13294 Posts
June 07 2007 13:09 GMT
#31
I don't think the blogs are a bad thing, but in saying that I don't read any of them.

What was the point of this post? Who knows.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 07 2007 13:28 GMT
#32
Yes, let the users who have access to the gaming community have Blogs, but the average user, no. Go to Mysapce/LiveJournal for that. Not here.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
June 07 2007 15:28 GMT
#33
/agree
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
June 07 2007 15:31 GMT
#34
ruin the general forum?

i thought that happened a year ago
why so 진지해?
Bruceling
Profile Joined May 2006
United States392 Posts
June 07 2007 15:42 GMT
#35
i agree. i respect that the mods and site designers put the blogs up, and it was a good idea.

but then again, so was communism. you win some ya lose some. :/

gg blogs
poop
Kassios
Profile Joined May 2006
France1424 Posts
June 07 2007 15:45 GMT
#36
no blog plz .. :/
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DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
June 07 2007 15:48 GMT
#37
the blogs will not be taken down --;

i post to much random stuff in it that i can't post in general. they stay or i will kidnap someone. (Kassios)
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5296 Posts
June 07 2007 16:18 GMT
#38
i see "blogs" as sports&games section; i don't mind it and it's necesary for some people;
i rarely read blogs anyway
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NoName
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1558 Posts
June 07 2007 16:30 GMT
#39
i haven't noticed.

blogs have their place too ..

maybe add an option to link blog posts to forum. so you get both worlds
Wam-bam-ba-boom! Bada-bing!
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
June 07 2007 17:23 GMT
#40
On June 08 2007 01:30 NoName wrote:
maybe add an option to link blog posts to forum. so you get both worlds


Please no.
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{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
June 07 2007 17:51 GMT
#41
I don't see how you can hate the blogs. When you don't like them, just don't read them. They have absolutely no negative effect on the forum or whatsoever and don't bullshit about the fact that it's taking space up there. There are some good blogs worth reading that wouldn't ever be created as topics. Blogs stimulates activity and is only a good thing imo.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9633 Posts
June 07 2007 19:00 GMT
#42
he's saying they do have a negative effect by taking away quality would be threads from the general forum
vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
June 07 2007 20:11 GMT
#43
wouldn't be the case if people simply got over their irrational hatred for the word blog and treated it like any other thread
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36383 Posts
June 07 2007 20:33 GMT
#44
On June 08 2007 04:00 Gene wrote:
he's saying they do have a negative effect by taking away quality would be threads from the general forum

i don't see why its so hard to just read good content on the blog then
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-07 20:47:00
June 07 2007 20:46 GMT
#45
it's harder to find I guess, i.e. less in the open
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{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-07 23:11:26
June 07 2007 23:10 GMT
#46
Also a lot of good stuff can be posted in blogs that can't be posted in general. I also doubt people start putting good stuff in their blog and not making a general thread about it if it's any good. I think it's the word blog that scares people
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
June 08 2007 01:40 GMT
#47
On June 08 2007 00:31 Rekrul wrote:
ruin the general forum?

i thought that happened a year ago
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useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
June 08 2007 02:24 GMT
#48
again, its because blogs here are still new. needs some fine tuning to make it easier to navigate for the public. right now, many people probably feel like they shouldnt comment unless they have something to add, unlike general forum topics where people just post the first thing that pops into their mind. give it time; things will change for the better.
Moonlight Shadow
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
June 08 2007 02:27 GMT
#49
On June 08 2007 02:23 semioldguy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2007 01:30 NoName wrote:
maybe add an option to link blog posts to forum. so you get both worlds


Please no.


Now see, whats the deal with this? Some complain about blogs drawing away topics from the general forum, and others complain about bringing blogged topics into the forum. If you guys are gonna be pricks about it, at least have some real shit to back it up with.
Moonlight Shadow
himurakenshin
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1845 Posts
June 11 2007 10:22 GMT
#50
no staff feedback on this?
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
June 11 2007 10:40 GMT
#51
On June 11 2007 19:22 himurakenshin wrote:
no staff feedback on this?


If you insist.

Personally I don't like writing or reading blogs, which is why I haven't involved myself in blogging here at TL except a test post when the feature was being implemented. However, I'm not going to rag on the people who happen to like reading them or writing them...or those who get an immediate hard on when they even read the word blog. AKA physician

But more importantly, I don't think this "general forum ruining" arguement has any merit. Firstly, I see no change in the general forum quality, be that a good or bad thing, personally. Secondly, the crappy "this happened to me today", "give me advice", "why don't girls like me", anecdotal threads that used to be posted all the time read like blogs anyway. So now, they are in the blog section, making it even easier for me to ignore their lameness.

In my eyes, it's an improvement for everyone. For those that like that thing, it's put into a proper blog format which makes more sense for story telling/musings anyway. And for those that dislike it, it's now separated from the forum somewhat.
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
June 11 2007 10:50 GMT
#52
Oh, and for the record, I was under the impression that blogs were popular here seeing as they were picked up so readily when introduced. I can't believe 75% of you would go so far as to eliminate them from the site.
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semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
June 11 2007 10:57 GMT
#53
On June 08 2007 11:27 useless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2007 02:23 semioldguy wrote:
On June 08 2007 01:30 NoName wrote:
maybe add an option to link blog posts to forum. so you get both worlds


Please no.


Now see, whats the deal with this? Some complain about blogs drawing away topics from the general forum, and others complain about bringing blogged topics into the forum. If you guys are gonna be pricks about it, at least have some real shit to back it up with.


It was backed up by others previously in the thread, or some other thread, because who knows how many threads about the blogs there have been. There are a lot of shitty blogs that have no place being in the general forum and would just as soon get closed because of their retardedness. A lot of blog entries are pretty crappy, and we don't need to flood the general forum with these useless entires when someone decides to go on a blogging spree.
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semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-11 11:00:03
June 11 2007 10:59 GMT
#54
I have no problem with the blogs existing, as long as they exist in their own little world, and as ManaBlue mentioned I am glad it has cut down on the anecdotal threads in the general forum. Sure some of those threads have been hilarious, but those are few and far between.
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mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-11 14:35:56
June 11 2007 14:35 GMT
#55
I agree with the thread starter. I dont see how the blogs can make this site better. Only some random,controvertial and fun stuff that could have been in the GF is now posted in the blogs section.
The thing that makes this site so great is the forums and the discussions in them. Blogs take away from tha a lot.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36383 Posts
June 11 2007 18:17 GMT
#56
lots of people complain that the GF sometimes has too much random, controversial "fun" stuff

when the blog links are fixed and there's a way to track discussion on them it'll be easier to discuss stories and anecdotes on the person's blog

Positives.
1. Is a dumping ground for all annoying threads complaining about people's lives that usually clutter up the General Forum.

2. Provides an outlet for people wishing to write who ordinarily wouldn't start a thread.

#2 is a big deal imo. there are a lot of people writing things that they normally wouldn't if the blog feature did not exist. if you're not sure whether to make a thread and just want to write for 15 minutes and have a place to record it, blogs are great. they don't force anyone to read them.

Negatives
- Possible "taking away" of good threads from General. I just really don't think this happens. If a blog post is good enough the creator or a reader can just make a thread in the GF about it.

there really are basically no negatives to blogs. to all those people saying they "take away discussion" from the GF, if blogs weren't there, the users wouldn't have created the threads anyway. so it's not really taking away anything, only adding another outlet for users to write.
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mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
June 11 2007 19:29 GMT
#57
#(trendy?) Hot_bid
I didnt counted them all, but there are probably about 60-70 blogs made. Of them maybe 80% are made by regular poster, who wouldnt be afraid to start a thread.
Besides the poll shows that majority of the users here dont like the blogs.
Cpt Obvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany3073 Posts
June 11 2007 21:26 GMT
#58
I'm quite indifferent about this blog thing. It's sure nice to have, but I suggest it's being implemented into the site better, meaning easier accessability and better overview over your comments or something, just like Hot_Bid said.

As it is it is somewhat a side track and not really part of the page :/
Nobody ever reads signatures of people like me, do they?
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
June 11 2007 21:42 GMT
#59
if i do something significant to me i make a post about it and i save it in my blog for others that may miss the thread (the interview i did). blogs aren't bad, tons of stuff still gets posted in general it just keeps peoples sob stories out.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
June 12 2007 00:13 GMT
#60
It's a valid point if you don't read the blogs and only the general section.

But overall, having the blogs section has undoubtedly been a strong motivator for many people to produce some quality entries that otherwise wouldn't have happened
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