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berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
May 23 2007 02:44 GMT
#21
I'm not arguing with you, I am simply just asking for answer CTStalker. If you feel that you have to get defensive and respond like that then I apologize for wording my post in a way that would invoke you to think that.
.kaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
1963 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-23 02:45:32
May 23 2007 02:44 GMT
#22
On May 23 2007 11:42 CTStalker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2007 11:30 bErAtEd- wrote:
There are a lot of relationship sites/emotional problem sites too, should Team Liquid close down all those threads too?

If someone feels comfortable with the people they are around and know that their question will be answered when coming to a forum, what would make them want to search out another site? They should only do it because there are other places to get help? That just doesn't make sense to me.

don't put words in my mouth - i didn't say tech support threads should all be closed, i said that dedicated tech support forum would be ridiculous. try your straw man idiocy elsewhere


In order to cope with all the Starcraft 2 threads, a starcraft 2 forum was created, and rekrul said that there are a ton of technical threads, so why are you so reluctant to have a technical forum? And If that isn't the case, then what's wrong with them being in General?
Pressure - "rock is the defender of justice" 이병민 / 박영민 Hwaiting~
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
May 23 2007 02:46 GMT
#23
On May 23 2007 11:34 bErAtEd- wrote:
Even if you agree with rekrul that gives him the right to respond with "no you stupid fucks"

I didn't say "Rekrul is an asshole for closing threads immediately. He hardly ever observes forum rules and is just an ass in general." So why is it okay that he responds the way that he did.

The question isn't any longer about the tech help but the way in which it is being handled.

No where in the rules of the forum does it say do not come here and ask about technology stuff. There is so much that goes on in the general forum that I was just curious as to why they were being closed. A simple, "we would like to try to keep the content as close to gaming as possible" would have been a better answer dont' you think?

if you have a problem with the way a moderator handles things take it up with that moderator or make a thread about it in feedback.

i was simply responding to your OP which was asking why your pdf help thread was closed. this thread was not titled "rekrul was an asshole, discuss" and you didn't mention it in your OP. i don't see you taking offense to what he said affects whether your thread should be closed or not.

secondly, in the "How to Use Teamliquid" sticky thread, it specifically states
Ensure that your title includes a tag such as [Help], [R] (for request), [Vid] for video, etc. Poor threads will be locked.


you did not do this, despite your thread being a help thread. Rek could've easily just closed your thread on those grounds, so please don't be a rules freak like "oh xxx isn't specifically stated so we shouldn't close xxx." this forum isn't a legal contract, mods have a lot of leeway in how they interpret and judge things case by case.

it is generally accepted that TL is not your personal help forum. the general forum is for discussion, not asking specific questions that do not lead to discussion. yes there is a bit of disagreement on this topic, but there is precedent for closing threads like yours.

try not to turn this into a "omg rek is an asshole and i am a victim of his jerkishness" argument because you will not win.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-23 02:50:37
May 23 2007 02:48 GMT
#24
On May 23 2007 11:44 .kaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2007 11:42 CTStalker wrote:
On May 23 2007 11:30 bErAtEd- wrote:
There are a lot of relationship sites/emotional problem sites too, should Team Liquid close down all those threads too?

If someone feels comfortable with the people they are around and know that their question will be answered when coming to a forum, what would make them want to search out another site? They should only do it because there are other places to get help? That just doesn't make sense to me.

don't put words in my mouth - i didn't say tech support threads should all be closed, i said that dedicated tech support forum would be ridiculous. try your straw man idiocy elsewhere


In order to cope with all the Starcraft 2 threads, a starcraft 2 forum was created, and rekrul said that there are a ton of technical threads, so why are you so reluctant to have a technical forum? And If that isn't the case, then what's wrong with them being in General?

a tech support forum would be probably the worst idea ever. it's pure idiocy just like CT said.

why not have a HW help forum, a love&sex forum, a move trailer forum, a "random" forum, a politics forum, a "talk about pets" forum??

because each forum on the left is created with a very specific and deliberate purpose, adding random stupid clutter forums that wont get much traffic is useless.

i mean are you seriously comparing a "tech support" forum to the starcraft2 forum on a website solely dedicated to starcraft? you really can't see why we have one and not the other???
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.kaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
1963 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-23 02:51:54
May 23 2007 02:50 GMT
#25
On May 23 2007 11:46 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2007 11:34 bErAtEd- wrote:
Even if you agree with rekrul that gives him the right to respond with "no you stupid fucks"

I didn't say "Rekrul is an asshole for closing threads immediately. He hardly ever observes forum rules and is just an ass in general." So why is it okay that he responds the way that he did.

The question isn't any longer about the tech help but the way in which it is being handled.

No where in the rules of the forum does it say do not come here and ask about technology stuff. There is so much that goes on in the general forum that I was just curious as to why they were being closed. A simple, "we would like to try to keep the content as close to gaming as possible" would have been a better answer dont' you think?

if you have a problem with the way a moderator handles things take it up with that moderator or make a thread about it in feedback.

i was simply responding to your OP which was asking why your pdf help thread was closed. this thread was not titled "rekrul was an asshole, discuss" and you didn't mention it in your OP. i don't see you taking offense to what he said affects whether your thread should be closed or not.

secondly, in the "How to Use Teamliquid" sticky thread, it specifically states
Ensure that your title includes a tag such as [Help], [R] (for request), [Vid] for video, etc. Poor threads will be locked.


you did not do this, despite your thread being a help thread. Rek could've easily just closed your thread on those grounds, so please don't be a rules freak like "oh xxx isn't specifically stated so we shouldn't close xxx." this forum isn't a legal contract, mods have a lot of leeway in how they interpret and judge things case by case.

it is generally accepted that TL is not your personal help forum. the general forum is for discussion, not asking specific questions that do not lead to discussion. yes there is a bit of disagreement on this topic, but there is precedent for closing threads like yours.

try not to turn this into a "omg rek is an asshole and i am a victim of his jerkishness" argument because you will not win.


You're contradicting yourself here, there are a ton of threads in general that do not have the [R] or [Help] tags and are still allowed.

Edit: I was just offering an idea to solve the problem, and IMO Tech support should be allowed in general because it is in fact a general topic.
Pressure - "rock is the defender of justice" 이병민 / 박영민 Hwaiting~
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-23 02:54:58
May 23 2007 02:51 GMT
#26
On May 23 2007 11:50 .kaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2007 11:46 Hot_Bid wrote:
On May 23 2007 11:34 bErAtEd- wrote:
Even if you agree with rekrul that gives him the right to respond with "no you stupid fucks"

I didn't say "Rekrul is an asshole for closing threads immediately. He hardly ever observes forum rules and is just an ass in general." So why is it okay that he responds the way that he did.

The question isn't any longer about the tech help but the way in which it is being handled.

No where in the rules of the forum does it say do not come here and ask about technology stuff. There is so much that goes on in the general forum that I was just curious as to why they were being closed. A simple, "we would like to try to keep the content as close to gaming as possible" would have been a better answer dont' you think?

if you have a problem with the way a moderator handles things take it up with that moderator or make a thread about it in feedback.

i was simply responding to your OP which was asking why your pdf help thread was closed. this thread was not titled "rekrul was an asshole, discuss" and you didn't mention it in your OP. i don't see you taking offense to what he said affects whether your thread should be closed or not.

secondly, in the "How to Use Teamliquid" sticky thread, it specifically states
Ensure that your title includes a tag such as [Help], [R] (for request), [Vid] for video, etc. Poor threads will be locked.


you did not do this, despite your thread being a help thread. Rek could've easily just closed your thread on those grounds, so please don't be a rules freak like "oh xxx isn't specifically stated so we shouldn't close xxx." this forum isn't a legal contract, mods have a lot of leeway in how they interpret and judge things case by case.

it is generally accepted that TL is not your personal help forum. the general forum is for discussion, not asking specific questions that do not lead to discussion. yes there is a bit of disagreement on this topic, but there is precedent for closing threads like yours.

try not to turn this into a "omg rek is an asshole and i am a victim of his jerkishness" argument because you will not win.


You're contradicting yourself here, there are a ton of threads in general that do not have the [R] or [Help] tags and are still allowed.

how am i contradicting myself?

he said that his thread shouldn't be closed because it wasn't explicitly stated in the rules. i said if he's going to be technical, his thread really should have been closed based on the rules.

but that is not the point. the point is mods have the ability to decide which thread gets closed and which doesnt on a case by case basis, it's not set in stone, hence an explanation for why not every thread requesting something without an [R] is closed.

also, i believe a lot of those threads should be closed but mods simply aren't as active as they should be.
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CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
May 23 2007 02:52 GMT
#27
sorry if i sounded pissy, rough day at work i guess. anyway, sc2 is relevant to the content and discussion that this site encompasses - professional bw. it's very likely that there will be sc2 pro leagues, and a good portion of us will be playing this game.

tech support, excepting cases where bw and battle.net are concerned, has little to do with this site, other than the game that we all love to follow runs on a computer.
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
.kaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
1963 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-23 02:54:25
May 23 2007 02:53 GMT
#28
You say that in the how to use teamliquid thread that it clearly states that you must place a tag on the thread, but you go onto say don't be a rule freak and say that it's not stated so its allowed. What I mean here is that, if the rules aren't set in stone, then why does someone have to put a tag?
Pressure - "rock is the defender of justice" 이병민 / 박영민 Hwaiting~
berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
May 23 2007 02:55 GMT
#29
First off I did make a thread about it in the feedback forum, I just didn't want to publicly come out and say why is rekrul closing down threads. Even though I assumed it was him there are still quite a few other admins who have the power to close the threads. Now that it is established that it is indeed him that is closing the threads, I'm here to talk about it.

I don't feel victimized because my thread got closed. You are right I could just go to another website and find info. All in all though I find the tech threads to be interesting and as far as I knew it wasn't in any violation of the rules. That is why we are where we are.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
May 23 2007 02:55 GMT
#30
On May 23 2007 11:53 .kaz wrote:
You say that in the how to use teamliquid thread that it clearly states that you must place a tag on the thread, but you go onto say don't be a rule freak and say that it's not stated so its allowed. What I mean here is that, if the rules aren't set in stone, then why does someone have to put a tag?

please read carefully what i wrote, because you clearly don't understand the point of what i said.
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.kaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
1963 Posts
May 23 2007 02:59 GMT
#31
I understand perfectly what you said. You present two points in what I put in bold.
1. That there are certain rules on this site and that you must use them or your thread is viable to be closed.
2. That he shouldn't be a rule freak and create a thread about this just because it doesn't say anywhere in the rules that tech threads aren't allowed.

Do you understand what I wrote..?
Pressure - "rock is the defender of justice" 이병민 / 박영민 Hwaiting~
AmorVincitOmnia
Profile Joined March 2005
Kenya3846 Posts
May 23 2007 03:01 GMT
#32
if you have a problem with the way rek handles things, don't come to tl ;/
it's been this way for as long as i can remember

i personally like the "fuck you" mentality, and i wish more mods were like that.
r.i.p. Bud Shank May 27, 1926 - April 2, 2009
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
May 23 2007 03:03 GMT
#33
there's nothing wrong with seeking improvements and fighting the mods sometimes, i mean, a lot of good things have been brought here from user suggestions.
but sometimes you just gotta accept that it's a crap idea and move on
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
May 23 2007 03:04 GMT
#34
On May 23 2007 12:01 AmorVincitOmnia wrote:
if you have a problem with the way rek handles things, don't come to tl ;/
it's been this way for as long as i can remember

i personally like the "fuck you" mentality, and i wish more mods were like that.


Invitation accepted.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
May 23 2007 03:08 GMT
#35
On May 23 2007 11:59 .kaz wrote:
I understand perfectly what you said. You present two points in what I put in bold.
1. That there are certain rules on this site and that you must use them or your thread is viable to be closed.
2. That he shouldn't be a rule freak and create a thread about this just because it doesn't say anywhere in the rules that tech threads aren't allowed.

Do you understand what I wrote..?

On May 23 2007 11:51 Hot_Bid wrote:
how am i contradicting myself?

he said that his thread shouldn't be closed because it wasn't explicitly stated in the rules. i said if he's going to be technical, his thread really should have been closed based on the rules.

but that is not the point. the point is mods have the ability to decide which thread gets closed and which doesnt on a case by case basis, it's not set in stone, hence an explanation for why not every thread requesting something without an [R] is closed.

also, i believe a lot of those threads should be closed but mods simply aren't as active as they should be.

please read fully what i wrote instead of simply focusing on one line and your own faulty logic ok?

posters like you are why rekrul exists and why its ok for him to be an asshole
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.kaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
1963 Posts
May 23 2007 03:11 GMT
#36
Nice job editing your post Hot_Bid, if you would have edited it faster I would have read the rest. There is no need to get an attitude towards me, we are having a civilized conversation about rules on this site and discussing why his thread was closed. Nothing that I say is personal, and there is no reason to say that I have faulty logic because you type slow.
Pressure - "rock is the defender of justice" 이병민 / 박영민 Hwaiting~
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
May 23 2007 03:30 GMT
#37
On May 23 2007 12:11 .kaz wrote:
Nice job editing your post Hot_Bid, if you would have edited it faster I would have read the rest. There is no need to get an attitude towards me, we are having a civilized conversation about rules on this site and discussing why his thread was closed. Nothing that I say is personal, and there is no reason to say that I have faulty logic because you type slow.

i completely disagree.

everyone else in this thread was having a civilized conversation about the rules on this site.

you, on the other hand, posted and focused on 2 lines of text in my post trying to catch me in what you believed to be a logical fallacy. it had nothing to do with the discussion at hand, except to try to "score points" against my argument, the main point of which you completely missed.

not only was your post completely wrong, its the perfect example of a dumb, pointless, trolling post that mods need to crack down on.

except that you weren't trolling, you thought it was a legitimate argument.
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ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
May 23 2007 03:47 GMT
#38
Can't we all just get along???
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
May 23 2007 04:03 GMT
#39
Meh I understand General is for discussing interesting topics but I don't mind a tech thread at all. Going to an anonymous tech site instead of asking some people you know by name or maybe on a more personal basis where you know you'll get help might be a reason why people make tech threads here.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 23 2007 06:02 GMT
#40
I'd rather not have them at all

I can understand when a member of the community posts a problem thats amusing or whatever and that thread being left open, or like computer purchasing advice, or a multitude of different things. The sort of thread where the guy posts something like "oh my sound doesnt work help" and there's a specific answer to the problem and he's waiting for someone here to post it I dunno, just seems unnecessary because there is a way to fix it and they can get it from somewhere else.

I don't know shit about computer software but anytime I have a problem I can just spend half an hour searching for shit on google and I fix pretty much everything I fuck up. If I don't, I find somewhere with people who will answer my question.

It's not really a big deal, I just don't like low-content threads unless they're funny and I'm sure a lot of regulars agree. It's just like singular Youtube videos don't really warrant a new thread.

What bothers me more is the huge recent wave of people posting in the feedback forum every time their thread gets closed!
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