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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Until some random mod from another sub-community stumbles across some report, then bad stuff happens. Why don't you guys promote a couple veterans to banlings to keep order there. Someone that knows when a poster is joking or not, someone that can tell a bad from a good post in lr threads with a simple look, but most importantly someone that is at least decently skilled in the game and actively moderate on balance/strategy whining/discussion/debates. We deserve it. | ||
KwarK
United States44286 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Promote Yango or r.evo! | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Yango as well among simple tlers, r.evo I don't know, haven't played with. | ||
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Hondelul
1999 Posts
But yes, I agree that for me most of all player and caster bashing is quite prominent. | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
At the moment transparency and slow, gradual, change is probably best. PS: Blahz0r would be #1 | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On March 17 2013 06:36 Dubzex wrote: I think Qbek and Gosi would make a good moderating tandem. If not, then probably yango i guess. As a proof of my qualification I can tell he isn't serious in the first part of his post | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
I really don't think LR threads are that bad, it's nothing compared to SC2. Even "caster bashing" and "player bashing" is ussually quite tame in comparison. Balance whine is a completelly diferent beast compared to SC2 since noone is taking sides, the game being completelly balanced is basically impossible and hero imbalances are not exactly unfair because of the format. I'm not sure it needs the same kind of rule as in SC2 where any complaint about a hero being strong/weak in a LR thread is the right way to do it. Then there's GD, and that's probally the reason for this thread. I feel it will become like the Automated Ban List or the Ask TL Staff Anything threads, where you know people won't ever fully respect the threads rules/purpose and remain on topic, so you try to set a limit and try to keep the discussion at least reasonably close to a decent level of quality, showing up when things go too far. Trying to go the KMD way and enforce the same posting standards as the rest of the site, perhaps stricter, is really not needed imo. It's mostly harmless. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On March 17 2013 07:10 SKC wrote: The fact that Dota 2 is mostly pub play, which is nothing like competitive games, unlike SC2, makes it a little more complicated. What? | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
Is it fine to write a guide for a troll build? Discuss builds or anything else that isn't exactly practical at the highest level -cm games for whathever reason but fun/valid for pubs? Some things that are done in pro games are probally not even the best thing to do in pubs for like 90% or more of the playerbase, in most games, if not always. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On March 17 2013 07:30 SKC wrote: Is it fine to write a guide for a troll build? Discuss builds or anything else that isn't exactly practical at the highest level -cm games for whathever reason but fun/valid for pubs? Some things that are done in pro games are probally even the best thing to do in pubs for like 90% or more of the playerbase in most games, if not everyone. You realise everything you just said translates into sc2 too. See guys, we managed to go offtopic and write wrong stuff in a thread in which we are asking for guidance and moderation. See how badly we need it? xD | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On March 17 2013 07:33 Steveling wrote: You realise everything you just said translates into sc2 too. See guys, we managed to go offtopic and write wrong stuff in a thread in which we are asking for guidance and moderation. See how badly we need it? xD Really not in the same way. Compare GM in SC2 to high level pub games. I don't think I've seen many pro SC2 streamers troll around, they are ussually practicing. There isn't a lot of people messing around and just doing stupid shit because it's fun. The tryhard factor is much, much greater in SC2. Even in lower levels people are ussually focusing in improving and always trying to do the best build for each situation. Unless things have drastically changed from like a year ago. Easy example. 2-1-2 or trilanes? Trilanes are dominant in pro games and hardly ever seen in pro games. In SC2, the strategies are ussually similar to what is done in competitive games, just executed badly (or even executed fairly well, in the case of GM players). | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25658 Posts
I am "fairly" knowledgeable about dota2, at least enough to detect realise someone is saying something incredibly stupid, but I don't want to suddenly increase moderation strictness until we have discussed the matter. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Regarding strategy "guidelines" or whatnot, I think they should follow the rules of strategy threads on PD.com(perhaps a bit more strict, since this is TL). A funny guide is fine. A guide promoting trolling builds is o.k., but it has to be incredibly hilarious and detailed - and perhaps moved into D2general if it's only for its comedic effect. In fact, I'd say the whole "comedy strategy"(ie. promoting dagon on every hero, for example) should be a D2General material, and an insta-close if it's not really well executed. That's just an opinion tho. | ||
blahz0r
3030 Posts
The following recent post has absolutely no Dota relevance yet it is let go because of what reason? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255359¤tpage=2401#48012 On March 17 2013 07:04 Erasme wrote: YO FH I DIDNT REPORT YOU DONT HATE ME ahahahahah As for strategy guidelines I don't think heyoka has finalized what we had in the works for a while now. If Dota threads start becoming more and more like the new ABL, I don't even want to take part in it. It isn't hard to stay on topic regarding any Dota related thing. There are so many useless posts everywhere these days. You have IRC and Steam, go spam there as if it's your IM service. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On March 17 2013 12:02 blahz0r wrote: It doesn't require banlings/moderators to be well educated in Dota 2 to do their "job" when it comes to certain posts. Well you pretty much agree with me even though you don't realise it. Sure there are ''certain'' posts that belong and are meant to a group of players inside the community that any outsider can see that are off topic. What happens with the other kind of posts? The lengthy ''balance'' discussions and the idiotic and plain bad(to someone good) strategy advices? We both know people have gone way out of bounds to prove their minds, spewing out thread pages that would resort in multiple moderating actions in the sc2 section(princexizor/shikyo etc). To stop this kind of posting, yes, you do need someone who has being around doto before the first international. | ||
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