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Liquibition #29 - VODs

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Liquibition #29 - VODs

Text byPlexa
March 28th, 2009 17:13 GMT
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The stream is over. You can get the VODs from our bittorrent tracker here, or watch the embedded Youtube ones:

Game 1 @ Colosseum II
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Game 2 @ Andromeda
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Game 3 @ Blue Storm
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Game 4 @ Loki II
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Game 5 @ Tau Cross
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Game 6 @ Colosseum II
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Game 7 @ Medusa
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After much drama, debate and banter this series has finally been played out meaning Liquibition #29 will be streamed. However, due to the change in times, Artosis was no longer able to cast Liquibition with Day. Instead, we've pulled up iNcontrol out from under his bridge to cast with Day - ensuring that this cast will be one of the most entertaining yet! Unfortunately we have to delay the stream for an hour so iNcontrol can cast the whole thing. Check back here once the countdown timer reaches zero for the stream link.

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F91 < Colosseum II > (P)(us)NonY
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F91 < Andromeda > (P)(us)NonY
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F91 < Blue Storm > (P)(us)NonY
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F91 < Loki II > (P)(us)NonY
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F91 < Tau Cross > (P)(us)NonY
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F91 < Colosseum II > (P)(us)NonY
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F91 < Medusa > (P)(us)NonY

Note that the first two games were replayed, so the replay that was leaked by YaoYuan will not be airing. For some pre-game predictions from myself you can check out the spoiler link below, else, get ready for a drama-filled event!

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Seeing as I don't get to cast this event, I thought I would share my semi-worthless opinion on this series. So let's break this down map by map;

Colosseum II
Colosseum II will be the most important map of the series. Why? Because it is repeated in the map list. This means both players are eager to play on it and are confident on it - thus the winner of this map is likely to take the series. In the aborted series, F91 defeated Nony here and the smart money says he'll do it again.

Colosseum provides a maps where Hydra pressure/all-in is common due to the unique design of the choke point of the main. This suits F91 just fine seeing as he is capable of changing it up from Hydra, to Muta to Macro to anything basically. My guess is that F91 is able to keep Nony trapped in an in the dark for most of the game right up until F91 wins. If there is lag in the game its only going to make this that much harder for Nony as Protoss is highly dependent on quick reactions on this map (more so than others), thus Nony really has his work cut out for him here.

Andromeda
Andromeda is the most entertaining map in the world, and I'm hoping that holds true here. Last time F91 abused the laggy conditions to the best of his ability and forced Nony into submission. Depending on the conditions, that may or may not happen. My bet though, is that the conditions are better and F91 will not be able to do that this time around. This map provides excellent chances for both sides, but I think F91 has it in him to take this map too.

F91 has shown quite impressive form on this map, and only lost out to IefNaij's Goon/Reaver push right back in his first Liquibition. On top of that, the map suits his reformed style. Nony on the other hand is probably going to take a standard formulaic approach to the map which will be exploited by F91. If Nony does some kind of non-standard play however, I can definitely see him taking this match. But for the time being, I gotta put my money on F91

Blue storm
Despite it's earlier Z>P bias, Blue Storm ended up proving to be one of the best Protoss vs Zerg maps in the proscene. In the last season of it's play Protoss enjoyed a whopping 66% winrate over Zerg. While this map was a choice of F91, I have every confidence in Nony that he will take this match. Blue Storm has a heavy macro bias and has a very ritualistic game structure - all which helps Nony against F91.

My guess is that F91 plays this map standard, probably opening up with Mutalisks for some harass but won't be able to do any significant damage. As the game progresses, we'll see both sides macro up and take bases eventually ending up with Nony taking a noticeable lead. The armies will then clash, Zerg will melt under storm, and the Protoss hero will ride home triumphant. If Nony cannot win here, I expect him to go 0-4. This map is a must win.

Loki II
It's been a while since we've see Loki in use, but here it is in Liquibition! This map also featured a strong Protoss bias in Korea, but given that it hasn't been played in a while, I expect cheesy play from F91 here. It doesn't make sense for him to select this map from Nony's list otherwise. Given that F91 is has a reputation as one of the greatest cheesers outside of Korea, I think it's safe to give this game to him.

Sure Nony has a good shot at defending it, but throw in the lag factor and his shot at defending just decreased. Nony will have a very tough time stopping the cheese with lag, and I severely doubt that the game is going to be lag free. If Nony manages to win here, I think he's got a shot at taking the series, however, should be lose, I think all hope is lost. I think this map is also a must win for Nony - I just don't see it happening unfortunately.

Tau Cross
Tau Cross is a great map, and provides great chances to both sides. Indeed, there is a slight Zerg bias - but that bias is not substantial enough to make a significant difference on the matchup. F91 has shown time and time again that he is very comfortable on this map, and I expect his play here to be near flawless. With that said, Nony is going to win on Tau with or without lag.

Why can I say that with such confidence? I have a strong gut feeling telling me it's going to happen. With a series lead of say 3-1 F91 will start to get lazy, as he has done in past Liquibitions, and this will give Nony the chance to steal the game off F91. The strong macro focus of the map should also help Nony and the gas rich expansions should also work in his favor. Should Nony win this, Loki and Blue then he can definitely take this series. I expect this to be a great game.

Colosseum II
Colosseum re-appears as the 6th map of the series - and in my opinion it will be the last map of the series. I dont think this game is going to look any different to Game 1, except maybe Nony's responses being cleaner. F91 will probably play a very similar build to Game 1, that or cheese. In either case, his play will likely be superior to Nony's as it was in the first game and thus sealing the series for him.

Nony cannot depend on Colosseum as a map to win on given what happened earlier. Colosseum is just a really good map for F91's style. Nony needs to be coming into this set 3-2 to have a shot at taking the series in the next game, and I definitely don't see Nony taking the series before Game 7. The more likely outcome is that F91 takes one of Games 3-4-5 and hence takes the series. Here's hoping the game is good, always good to go out on a gg.


Medusa
I will be very surprised if we see Medusa played in this series. But if it is, I know the game will be great. Medusa is a great PvZ map and is fairly well balanced, although the balance depends somewhat on the positions of the players. For instance, it is good for Zerg to be the position immediately anti-clockwise to the Protoss position as it allows easier access to the Temple block.

F91 probably has a few tricks he wants to use here, so I expect a tricky game from him. However, if Nony has managed to survive until now, there's no reason that he won't be able to survive this. I expect him to defend the attack, power hard in his macro, and then take the game by force. It is a tall order though, but if anyone can do it it is Nony. This series is going to end 4-3 for him, or 2-4 for F91 in my opinion.

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F91 > Nony
F91 > Nony
F91 > Nony
F91 < Nony
F91 < Nony
F91 > Nony
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March 29 2009 02:31 GMT
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Woo!
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March 29 2009 02:32 GMT
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finally *_*
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March 29 2009 02:36 GMT
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awesomeee

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Canada5214 Posts
March 29 2009 02:41 GMT
#5
great

hope they were able to resolve the lag issues, if you guys have trouble with lag in the future maybe consider using hamachi if all else fails. i think it's lagproof but only the tech guys would know for sure.

thanks for sticking through with it plexa i'm sure it's been a frustrating experience for all involved, but well worth it at the end of the day
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March 29 2009 02:44 GMT
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InControl wooot! This will be awesome. :D
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United States191 Posts
March 29 2009 02:50 GMT
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Nothing is going to be lagfree when you're playing someone from across the world. It's not like Nony is the only one who has to deal with the lag; whatever lag he's getting F91 is getting exactly the same. Hopefully they picked a time that is not going to be a peak hour in China. Seeing as the stream isn't going to be live anyway, I don't know why they didn't play this weeks ago.

I think that Zerg micro is more intense than Protoss micro in this matchup, I don't know it's figured that F91 is going to abuse his "lag advantage." I personally think he'll be affected by it more than Nony is, and still believe that he'll take this series convincingly.
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March 29 2009 02:57 GMT
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Inc casting? Fun! ^^
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March 29 2009 03:03 GMT
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Looking forward to this!
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March 29 2009 03:06 GMT
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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Hoping for great games.
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United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-29 03:07:59
March 29 2009 03:07 GMT
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SO looking forward to this.

GO Nony!

And guys, lay off the lag debate at least until after the match is aired...sheesh.
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Last Edited: 2009-03-29 03:09:43
March 29 2009 03:09 GMT
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5-2 F91!
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China3370 Posts
March 29 2009 03:13 GMT
#13
Have the games been played yet? It would really suck if we have yet another delay.

Since this isn't live, couldn't the players have been able to stretch this out? No need to finish in one sitting(in case the lag gets bad). Just as long as they play the 7 games, right?
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March 29 2009 03:19 GMT
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this better be good
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March 29 2009 03:26 GMT
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god damn it, the new time is 6 am in Australia ;_;
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United States2777 Posts
March 29 2009 03:27 GMT
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On March 29 2009 11:50 FaZ- wrote:
Nothing is going to be lagfree when you're playing someone from across the world. It's not like Nony is the only one who has to deal with the lag; whatever lag he's getting F91 is getting exactly the same. Hopefully they picked a time that is not going to be a peak hour in China. Seeing as the stream isn't going to be live anyway, I don't know why they didn't play this weeks ago.

I think that Zerg micro is more intense than Protoss micro in this matchup, I don't know it's figured that F91 is going to abuse his "lag advantage." I personally think he'll be affected by it more than Nony is, and still believe that he'll take this series convincingly.


Read the Liquibition Delayed thread... all this has been discussed ENDLESSLY there
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United States183 Posts
March 29 2009 03:47 GMT
#17
America fighting~ =)
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New Zealand1543 Posts
March 29 2009 03:50 GMT
#18
7-0 to F91 is my prediction. Nony did come 2nd in Courage but i think many foreigners could win it.
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United States14912 Posts
March 29 2009 03:54 GMT
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NONY!
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United States1328 Posts
March 29 2009 03:56 GMT
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I sincerely hope for some great matches!
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