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Buttoned Up: Why PC Remains the RTS King

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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-29 20:20:01
December 29 2008 12:23 GMT
#1
Given that whole “the best way to cure a gangrene bullet wound is with a bone saw” methodology espoused by Civil War doctors, I’d say Mr. Sherman was on to something. Trying to play any sort of RTS game on a console gives credence to the General’s brash claim. Playing RTS’s with a controller gets me in touch with my inner Civil War amputee, mostly because the clunky controls make me feel like I’m missing a hand.

Continued here..

http://news.gotgame.com/buttoned-up-why-pc-remains-the-rts-king/21765/
written by adamt

Nothing many of us have not experience already but nicely written - still it raises the question, will we ever see a decent interphase (controller) for RTS from a console? As consoles acquire more and more PC functions, and PCs get smaller it will probably end up happening.
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
village_idiot
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
2436 Posts
December 29 2008 12:32 GMT
#2
Just design a console with mouse and keyboard support. But then you'd need a chair and a table to use them... and you need to place the TV on the table to see shit...
Azrael1111
Profile Joined July 2008
United States550 Posts
December 29 2008 12:37 GMT
#3
I hate console controllers, the inaccuracy of them is outrageous imo.
nataziel
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia1455 Posts
December 29 2008 12:37 GMT
#4
I don't think it really counts as a console if you have a keyboard and mouse for it really.
u gotta sk8
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2757 Posts
December 29 2008 12:41 GMT
#5
imho if you can fps with headshots on a console, you can play rts on a console.
DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
December 29 2008 12:46 GMT
#6
I want mindcontrolled consoles
Imagine, any game(rts, fps, ...) where you can do everything with your mind

Reload? use mind, Shoot? use mind, 5pool? use mind
PobTheCad
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia893 Posts
December 29 2008 12:48 GMT
#7
anyone remember starcraft 64? *shudders*
Once again back is the incredible!
village_idiot
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
2436 Posts
December 29 2008 12:49 GMT
#8
On December 29 2008 21:46 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
I want mindcontrolled consoles
Imagine, any game(rts, fps, ...) where you can do everything with your mind

Reload? use mind, Shoot? use mind, 5pool? use mind

Hahaha, how lazy can you get?
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
December 29 2008 12:54 GMT
#9
On December 29 2008 21:37 Azrael1111 wrote:
I hate console controllers, the inaccuracy of them is outrageous imo.


I agree. Totally.

Sure, for an RTS console controller you could have buttons to switch your mouse to minimap, hold a button down to drag, another joystick to move the cursor, hotkey buttons, etc..........
BUT THEN IT'D BE THE SAME AS THE KEYBOARD. And obviously, no keyboard shortcuts. Imagine clicking the unit portrait with your JOYSTICK every time you want to build something. People would have to spend massive amounts of time simply practicing clicking on units then reverting back.

No one would play a RTS on a console so we don't need controllers.
PC games ftw.
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2298 Posts
December 29 2008 13:05 GMT
#10
On December 29 2008 21:41 Navane wrote:
imho if you can fps with headshots on a console, you can play rts on a console.

POint taken, you cant. so dont say that you can.
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
December 29 2008 13:05 GMT
#11
On December 29 2008 21:49 village_idiot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2008 21:46 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
I want mindcontrolled consoles
Imagine, any game(rts, fps, ...) where you can do everything with your mind

Reload? use mind, Shoot? use mind, 5pool? use mind

Hahaha, how lazy can you get?


it is not about being lazy but having perfect controls
And all is illuminated.
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
December 29 2008 13:17 GMT
#12
I could never imagine playing a competitive RTS or FPS or MMORPG on a console And those are basically the only games I play so... By the time the consoles have gained all the features that I want my gaming station to have they will already have become computers so I don't see the point in consoles at all ._. They were fun back in the days of NES/SNES.
Disarray
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1164 Posts
December 29 2008 13:20 GMT
#13
anyone else here old enough to remember a game called Herzog Zwei ?
Input limit reached. Please wait to perform more actions.
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
December 29 2008 13:25 GMT
#14
On December 29 2008 21:46 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
I want mindcontrolled consoles
Imagine, any game(rts, fps, ...) where you can do everything with your mind

Reload? use mind, Shoot? use mind, 5pool? use mind


Hahaha my brother and I had a conversation with a guy some time ago. He said something kinda similar to this (he was a war3 fan, btw).

We made a prediction that eventually all RTS would have such advanced AI that simply by pushing a button, all your workers would do a perfect split at the beginning and build more workers!
Then you push another button for a build you want, say mutalisks. You can just watch as your hatcheries get some mutas.
After that, you press another button. All your mutas stack up, and do some GOSU JULY micro against the opponent. Like, flawlessly.
(we weren't under the influence)

Me and my brother thought it would totally degrade RTS and eliminate skill differentiation completely. The war3 fan said, "No, that will only cause RTS games to get more intense and exciting.....BUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY."
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
December 29 2008 14:49 GMT
#15
^ sounds like starcraft 2. anyways.
I can only imagine playing an FPS/TPS on a console only because I have although going from mouse to controller is mad annoying. BUt i really can't see playing a RTS on the console...i guess we'll have to see how Halo Wars does.
naonao
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States847 Posts
December 29 2008 15:12 GMT
#16
I can't imagine RTS on a console :O, too much mouse dragging and selecting, too many hotkeys, on top of a lack of controller accuracy and speed.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
December 29 2008 15:25 GMT
#17
The accuracy required in RTS and FPS is dramatically different.
For FPS, you are aiming for one small matrix, given the head.
The accuracy you need is to gauge how fast to press the joystick and in the correct direction.

In RTS, you have to drag boxes, click on masses of, albeit larger, matrixes, though very many smaller ones, not to mention move them in the right places.

Imagine dodging lurker spines on a XBox 360.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
December 29 2008 15:56 GMT
#18
A mouse is just intuitive imo
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
December 29 2008 16:11 GMT
#19
I can't imagine using anything else for a RTS game other than a mouse and keyboard.
Brood War loyalist
fast ball player
Profile Joined December 2008
206 Posts
December 29 2008 16:14 GMT
#20
On December 29 2008 21:54 Loanshark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2008 21:37 Azrael1111 wrote:
I hate console controllers, the inaccuracy of them is outrageous imo.


I agree. Totally.

Sure, for an RTS console controller you could have buttons to switch your mouse to minimap, hold a button down to drag, another joystick to move the cursor, hotkey buttons, etc..........
BUT THEN IT'D BE THE SAME AS THE KEYBOARD. And obviously, no keyboard shortcuts. Imagine clicking the unit portrait with your JOYSTICK every time you want to build something. People would have to spend massive amounts of time simply practicing clicking on units then reverting back.

No one would play a RTS on a console so we don't need controllers.
PC games ftw.


lol, exactly, that is the trend blizz is going down. eventually just type mutas and it'll do a perfect build order. i have no idea why they want to eliminate skill in their games. it's as if you are playing a chess computer game, and instead of moving the individual pieces you typed in 'play' and watched your pieces get moved like a grandmaster.
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