• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:55
CEST 00:55
KST 07:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors6[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists17[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers19Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review [ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors FlaSh: This Will Be My Final ASL【ASL S21 Ro.16】 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro16 Group C
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1709 users

[Article] Hwasin/Iris Predictions

Forum Index > Featured Threads
Post a Reply
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-23 16:03:26
February 23 2007 13:58 GMT
#1
Initial Source: [BOyGiRl]ShaRp

Link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50180

I know Sharp has already skimmed this article, but I just cleaned it up and wrote more word-for-word for the people who wanted it in his post. If anything, he should be credited more for it.


[SHINHAN BANK SEASON 3] “If the 5th game is played, Savior will succeed.”
CJEntus’s Iris (Byun Hyung Tae), STXSoul’s Hwasin (Jin Young Soo) make a prediction on the maps for the OSL Finals.

Along Savior’s (Ma Jae Yoon) “glorious road”, rising to both Finals (of OSL and MSL), are the tears of two Terran users. These two are STX’s Hwasin and Savior’s own teammate: Iris[gm]. We have listened to the map predictions of the two terran gamers who have most recently experienced being in the hands of Savior.

◆Game 1: Longinus 2
No matter how many times Savior breaks the balance of a map and has increased the percentage of victory on Longinus 2, the confidence of Terran users on Longinus 2 is still intact. Hwasin and Iris both predicted that NaDa would have the slight advantage towards victory in Game 1.

Hwasin predicts that Savior will utilize extreme builds such as a 9-drone or 3-hatchery strategy. As long as NaDa does not fall into Savior’s game-pace, Hwasin predicts a win for NaDa.

On the other hand, Iris has said that early-game tactics will determine the outcome of the game. If NaDa does not fall behind in the early-game strategy, then the balance of the game will tilt slightly in NaDa’s favor.


◆Game 2: Neo Arkanoid
For as much confidence as these two players hold on Longinus 2, they hold the same amount of dread for Neo Arkanoid. Both terran players stated that, “Neo Arkanoid is a map where zerg has a distinct advantage.”

Hwasin: “Unless a large variable (in early game tactics) is not created, Savior will easily win on this map, as we saw during the eSports 3rd SuperFight. Given Savior’s skill and keeping in mind his victory (against NaDa in SuperFight 3) after having early difficulties, an easy win is predicted for Savior.

Iris also stated that “If NaDa does not have a trick prepared; it will be hard for him.” The design of this map allows zerg players to play defensively and still be at an advantage and maintain it throughout the game and will favor a victory for Savior.


◆Game 3: Reverse Temple
Reverse Temple is a map where Terrans, “no matter what they do will be adequate.” Along the same lines, the players predict that NaDa will easily take the 3rd game’s victory.

Hwasin predicts that if the game extends beyond mid-game, then NaDa would win. Reverse Temple is just that good of a map for Terran users.

Iris also came to the same conclusion. No matter what starting position the Terran is at, Terran is favored and Savior will have a hard time on this map.


◆Game 4: Hitchhiker
Hitchhiker is a map which Terran users fear. Both Hwasin and Iris both forecast that Savior would win on this map.

Once Zerg has reached Hive-tech, it is hard for Terran users to do anything. Both players think that NaDa, in order to win, will come prepared with an early-game tactic which will finish the game quickly. Both players tipped that if Terran executes a basic build order while expanding to the natural, it would result in a loss.

Both players together predicted that, ultimately, they have predicted the victory/loss outcome. Where spirit and skill both are at their peak for both players, the possibility of victory or defeat is only separated by a tiny variable/element.

Hwasin stated: “If NaDa wants to be victorious, a 3-0 shutout must be achieved, otherwise Savior will be the favorite to win if the final series is extended to the 5th and final game.

Iris: “No matter what element you question or argue, the chance of either player winning is about 50/50. If Game 1 and 5 is played on Longinus (assuming it will extend to the 5th game), Savior will have the slight upper-hand to emerge victorious.


LINK TO ORIGINAL ARTICLE

[image loading]

Supplied by my buddy, Daveed

[Disclaimer] I realize that I may word things a little differently than what it actually says in Korean... so hold back on complaints, since I did it for ease of reading in English.
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
February 23 2007 14:03 GMT
#2
nice, thnx
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
February 23 2007 14:14 GMT
#3
thank you.
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
February 23 2007 14:20 GMT
#4
thank you [BOyGiRl]ShaRp !!!

you do so much for the BW community and we always appreciate you work : ]

thx to whatisprotoss as well!
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-23 14:32:39
February 23 2007 14:31 GMT
#5
The translation I was hoping for. Thanks!

>> Featured Thread please.
There's crashing?
sOnagi[3.33]
Profile Joined November 2006
Korea (South)886 Posts
February 23 2007 14:33 GMT
#6
thanks!
서지훈, XellOs[yG]: the Perfect Terran...이성은, FireBatHero: braQ Terran.
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5070 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-23 14:38:30
February 23 2007 14:35 GMT
#7
I actually thought it was quite amusing that people wanted a better quality translation, when ShaRp was the ORIGINAL tl.net translator and supplier of awesome articles from korean sites.

Thanks for the cleanup anyway,
[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (S)1912 Posts
February 23 2007 14:39 GMT
#8
Sorry guys, english is not my first language and I have to admit I sometimes have trouble finding the right words. I try to do my best but sometimes I may not be entirely clear in what I'm trying to say, so anyone is welcome to do what Whatisprotoss did, to make it a better article. Also, its nice to know someone out there appreciates my time and effort spent in translating. Thank you too Day : )
Hexatron Bba!!
[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (S)1912 Posts
February 23 2007 14:42 GMT
#9
On February 23 2007 23:35 PanoRaMa wrote:
I actually thought it was quite amusing that people wanted a better quality translation, when ShaRp was the ORIGINAL tl.net translator and supplier of awesome articles from korean sites.

Thanks for the cleanup anyway,


So someone actually remember me eh? : )
Pano, your the one who sent me a PM about Korean music right?
I remember you too hehe
Hexatron Bba!!
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27173 Posts
February 23 2007 14:54 GMT
#10
BoyGirl, you never ever have to apologize for your efforts. You always do a great job
ModeratorGodfather
babozergg
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada52 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-23 15:03:18
February 23 2007 15:01 GMT
#11
Sharp, you've always been one of the best contributors of TL imo(Even though you seemed to have a long absence ;p)
I've been reading TL since the beginning and koreans like yourself and uhjoo will never be forgotten for bringing quality korean material to TL.
Thanks again

EDIT : Thanks to WhatIsProtoss too of course!
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5070 Posts
February 23 2007 15:58 GMT
#12
On February 23 2007 23:42 [BOyGiRl]ShaRp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2007 23:35 PanoRaMa wrote:
I actually thought it was quite amusing that people wanted a better quality translation, when ShaRp was the ORIGINAL tl.net translator and supplier of awesome articles from korean sites.

Thanks for the cleanup anyway,


So someone actually remember me eh? : )
Pano, your the one who sent me a PM about Korean music right?
I remember you too hehe


Yeah, for that one Sharp song "Geu Raet Jyo" Welcome back
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
RO16 TieBreaker - Group B
Artosis vs Jimin
cavapoo vs LancerX
ZZZero.O580
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ROOTCatZ 165
ProTech150
SpeCial 84
JuggernautJason61
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 580
Horang2 405
Dewaltoss 118
NaDa 14
Dota 2
monkeys_forever399
League of Legends
Doublelift3744
JimRising 483
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang01048
Mew2King80
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor275
Other Games
gofns21141
tarik_tv15345
summit1g11275
uThermal1393
Fnx 732
crisheroes217
ToD72
UpATreeSC66
kaitlyn53
PattyMac4
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1256
BasetradeTV272
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 72
• davetesta33
• musti20045 23
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• 3DClanTV 37
• RayReign 20
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21559
Other Games
• imaqtpie1397
• Scarra1243
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
1h 5m
Replay Cast
10h 5m
Afreeca Starleague
11h 5m
Soma vs hero
Wardi Open
12h 5m
Monday Night Weeklies
17h 5m
Replay Cast
1d 1h
Replay Cast
1d 10h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 11h
Leta vs YSC
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
KCM Race Survival
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Escore
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
IPSL
5 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
BSL
6 days
IPSL
6 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W4
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.