Hey guys. Im on a bus home right now, like i said pregame random plans came up. Ive read up on the thread on the bus and will be back at 100 percent in 3 hrs. I will post my thoughts then as i suck hard at typong on my phone. After that ill be here till vote.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 15 2013 16:38 GMT

#313

There's wayyyy too much stuff being thrown around in this thread right now, even though it is active it's the perfect conditions for mafia to hide in but also continue to stir up confusion.

Vonthin is jumping on the istandwithmitt case with good reasoning, however he is completely ignoring what Seuss and Bereft are saying about him. You should be directly bringing up counter-points to Seuss/Bereft who are saying that we should be looking at other targets since he's drawing wayy too much attention to himself, which doesn't make sense as a scum player.

My opinion on the matter is that istandwithmitt is a straight up troll, he's not looking to actually play this game he's just looking to fuck with it. We should leave him alive and just ignore him. If he's scum he's probably ruining their game just as much. If he's not trolling and he's serious then I would like to invite him to share what kind of experience he has with this game.

I'm still trying to form an opinion on who to vote for, so I am reading filters for the next bit of time. Bare with me.

One thing I would like to mention, though, that is somewhat irrelevant at the moment but might be relevant tomorrow: the E00 cop thing. In my opinion, e00's post was a perfectly reasonable topic (when should cop come out?) to talk about, albeit at a bad time since there were already several moving pieces in the game at that point. What is interesting however, is how playerboy jumps on it as if it was the worst possible thing a townie could do. It's like he didn't even think about what e00 was actually saying and wanted to gain town cred by stopping him from talking about something that he shouldn't be talking about (which would be things like, who cop should check, who doctor should save etc etc etc). Suspicious. I just wanted to get this out there so I don't forget tomorrow.

Lastly I'd like to apologize for not being around for the first 36 hours, but I am now fully active and will be until the end of the game (people from last game can vouch for my activity levels). Something came up and I had to go out of town where I barely had any time to read the thread and post from my phone.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 15 2013 16:40 GMT

#314

Hah, are you guys serious? This is truly a newbie game. Nyx, WHY? Don't just tell me because you're following seuss, give me your actual reasoning.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 15 2013 18:54 GMT

#321

Ok. I have a scum read on nyx, agree with E00e on this one..

Unfortunately it's not much since he hasn't done or said much, it's a gut feeling. He starts the game by blindly following Odin (who was just posting to start conversation, imo) and then suddenly switches his vote to Vonthin for either of the following reasons: (1) people called him out on randomly following Odin so he decides to follow other people or (2) Vonthin voted him.

He hasn't given any other reasoning for his play besides the fact that it's good to have town leaders to follow and a plan. I'm not liking him. However, I am hesitant to cast a vote because Vonthin casted a vote on him and he is also under suspicion from other players.

I'm on the fence with my read for Vonthin because he has some substance to his posts and posted his plan beforehand, the switch to nyx makes sense. I'd like to know why he's willing to let up on istandwithmitt, is it because you agree on what others have said about him or what?

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 15 2013 22:51 GMT

#345

I would really prefer voting someone else than Vonthin and July. I don't see them as mafia yet, and can't really understand why you guys think they are mafia so definitively.

I would much rather vote nyx, as his reasonings for his plays aren't anywhere to be found. It's just random posting and blindly following other people. Then the reaction vote on Vonthin? How is that not super strange? Vonthin and July showed their opinion on the Odin gamestart talk, and immediately that puts them under suspicion? Why? It's not like their positions were super scum-like. Their contribution levels are similar to nyx's if not more.

##vote: nyxnyxnyx

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 15 2013 22:53 GMT

#346

On October 16 2013 07:46 Seuss wrote:

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It's preferable at this point if we vote Vonthin. We can read a lot more into the positions of other people based on how he flips than we can if we suddenly turn around and lynch July. If Vonthin flips Mafia we can read a lot into people's votes. If he flips town we can be pretty certain July isn't mafia, which will cease the abusing relationship between his head and his desk I am at fault for.

So I second your motion regarding SagaZ vote

Why do you think july can't be mafia if vonthin is town again? They haven't done anything pair-worthy besides being in agreement. There isn't really any evidence to support the fact that they are against/together. There never is this early in the game.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 15 2013 23:39 GMT

#350

On October 16 2013 08:17 Seuss wrote:

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If July is mafia and Vonthin is not, it's to July's advantage to kill Vonthin over mitt. The town is already largely against mitt, so killing him doesn't really accomplish anything for the mafia if there's another good target.

Ah I see what you are saying. Sucks that you had to go this far to explain but I don't think they can really change anything about their play at this point to use this information.

I think, however, that you are assuming that July would take the risk to change his position to lynch Vonthin (which hasn't been his position). If I were July as scum, I'm not sure that's a move I would make, especially since he hasn't made himself open for moves like that with his low post count.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 16 2013 13:11 GMT

#386

First off, in reply to Sagaz. The only person I trust out of the Vonthin voters is you (SagaZ), and obviously Seuss. Reason being I played with Bereft last game and in this game he just seems a little different. He hasn't done enough to convince me he is town at this point (which in reality nobody should). His posts are especially weak this game, and I expect that to change during night phase as for some reason last game he stepped it up. I also have a town read on E00, and that's probably my best town read. This guy has been solid in his reasoning and I like his plays in reaction to playerboy's call out. Very nice, IMO.

I do want to revisit the Playerboy -> E00 situation. Playerboy, how do you read that as a soft-claim? He was genuinely trying to start a discussion on when cop should come out because that's an easy way for scum to slip and for scum to give a town-like opinion on something (which is better than not saying anything at all). It's a common way to start some conversation on day1. The fact that you were so angry at the fact that he did that really makes me think you're trying to gain town cred for flipping out over some small mistake. Also I'd like to hear about why you think E00 saying "i'm not going to confirm or deny i'm cop" is bad as well. If he's a good townie he has to debunk your "soft-claiming talk" whether he is cop or he is not.

As far as nyx. ATM he is my highest scum read and I will push for him today as long as nothing changes during this nightphase/nightactions. Nyx, why did you think Vonthin was mafia? What specifically did you not like about his small defense (things he didn't mention etc etc)? Why was switching his vote to you the last nail in the coffin for you for him being scum?

Mitt: Please do not use your vote as a way to sway people. It should be used as a vote and only that. On top of that, question people instead of just attacking them straight up. Get more information out of them and THEN decide. If you are just voting at the slightest sign of scum then you are not helping others see your side. More prodding.