[IEM] Cologne Discussion

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JBright

Vancouver14381 Posts

December 13 2012 08:16 GMT

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Day 1 Group A Discussion (pages 3-19)
Day 2 Group B Discussion (pages 20-40)
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Day 3 Playoffs Match Discussion (pages 40+)

Official IEM Portal with Brackets and Match Times

Games played on Zed patch.

Stream List:
Official English Stream
POV #1
POV #2

Casters:
Leigh 'Deman' Smith
Joe 'JustCallMeJoeFFS' JoeMillerMiller
Jason 'ButButButILY' Kaplan
Alvar Martin 'Araneae' Alenar
Daniel 'Zenon' Klein

Format:
Two groups of four teams playing in Best of 1 round robin. Top 2 teams advance to Best of 3 single elimination bracket.

Prize pool:
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1st: $15,500
2nd: $8,500
3rd/4th: $4,500
5/6th: $3000
7/8th: $2,500

List of Competing Teams

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Millenium
FnaticRC
ex-mousesports
Counter Logic Gaming EU
Meet Your Makers
SKT T1
Team Alternate
CJ Entus

Friday, Dec 14 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Group A:
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Millenium

SKT T1

ex-mousesports
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FnaticRC

16:00 GMT (+00:00) -
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mouz vs. T1

Bans:
TF        Anivia
Eve        Rengar
Zyra        Karthus

Picks:
Ez              Sona / Lee Sin
Leona / Xin        Diana / Corki
Cho / Shen        Jax

17:15 GMT (+00:00) -
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Mill vs. Fnatic

Bans:
Zyra        Jax
Rengar        Eve
Blitz        Lee Sin

Picks:
Diana              Cho / Ez
Xin / Lulu        Leona / Ahri
Irelia / Vayne        Shen

18:30 GMT (+00:00) -
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T1 vs. Fnatic

Bans:
Blitz        Jax
Rengar        Eve
Lee        Diana

Picks:
Cho              Ez / Zyra
Vayne / Sona        Amumu / Kat
TF / Khazix        Xin

19:45 GMT (+00:00) -
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Mill vs. mouz

Bans:
Rengar        Diana
Kat        Lee
Xin        Jax

Picks:
Shen              Cho / Ez
Blitz / Vayne        Nunu / Olaf
Mundo / Zyra        Gragas

21:00 GMT (+00:00) -
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T1 vs. Mill

Bans:
Vayne        Shen
Jax        Diana
Lee        Blitz

Picks:
Zyra              Kat / Lulu
Cho / Eve        Khazix / Ez
Karth / MF        Kayle

Results
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T1 - mouz
Fnatic - Mill
Fnatic - T1
Mill - mouz
T1 - Mill
mouz - Fnatic

Standings
1. Fnatic 3-0
2. SKT T1 2-1
3. Millenium 1-2
4. mouz 0-3

Fnatic and SKT T1 advance to Play-offs

Saturday, Dec 15 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Group B:
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Meet Your Makers
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CJ Entus

Team Alternate
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CLG.eu

16:00 GMT (+00:00) -
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MYM vs. CLG.eu

Bans:
Irelia        Diana
Nunu        Zyra
Rengar        Ori

Picks:
Kat              Lulu / Ez
Sona / Corki        Xin / Fiddle
Olaf / Udyr        Rumble

17:15 GMT (+00:00) -
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ATN vs. CJ

Bans:
Vlad        Ori
Blitz        Olaf
Kat        Rengar

Picks:
Lee              TF / Zyra
Eve / Ez        Cait / Cho
Lulu / Malph        Singed

18:30 GMT (+00:00) -
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ATN vs. MYM

Bans:
Katarina        Lee Sin
Diana        Ezreal
Zyra        Olaf

Picks:
Rengar              Orianna / Nunu
Cho'Gath / Graves        Irelia / Skarner
Lulu / Ahri        Vayne

19:45 GMT (+00:00) -
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CLG.eu vs. CJ

Bans:
Singed        Anivia
Olaf        Olaf
Lee Sin        Cho'Gath

Picks:
Zyra              Twisted Fate / Caitlyn
Rumble / Malphite        Jax / Nunu
Varus / Lux        Zed

21:00 GMT (+00:00) -
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MYM vs. CJ

Bans:
Zed        Vayve
Zyra        Orianna
Twisted Fate        Rengar

Picks:
Katarina              Ezreal / Lee Sin
Nunu / Udyr        Diana / Lulu
Darius / Kog'Maw        Olaf

21:00 GMT (+00:00) -
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CLG.eu vs. ATN not streamed

Bans:
Unknown        Unknown

Picks:
Blitzcrank        Olaf
Lulu        Zyra
Sivir        Nocturne
Irelia        Twisted Fate
LeBlanc        Ezreal

Results
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MYM - CLG.eu
CJ - ATN
CJ - CLG.eu
MYM - ATN
CJ - MYM
CLG.eu - ATN

Standings
1. MYM 3-0
2. CJ 2-1
3. CLG.eu 1-2
4. ATN 0-3

MYM and CJ Entus advance to Play-Offs.

Sunday, Dec 16 1:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

13:00 GMT (+00:00) - Semifinals #1
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Fnatic vs CJ Entus

Game 1
Fnatic vs. CJ
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Bans:
Singed        Lee
Eve        Ori
Rengar        Cho

Picks:
Zyra              TF / Olaf
Ez / Kat        Cait / Nunu
Mundo / Shen        Jax

Game 2
CJ vs. Fnatic
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Bans:
Ori        Jax
Kat        Nunu
Rengar        Olaf

Picks:
Lee              Cho / Zyra
TF / Sona        Ez / Blitz
Vayne / Singed        KhaZix

Game 3
Fnatic vs. CJ
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Bans:
Jax        Ori
Nunu        Lee
TF        Blitz

Picks:
Rengar              Zyra / KhaZix
Diana / Ez        Cait / Singed
Cho / Leona        Zed

15:00 GMT (+00:00) - Semifinals #2
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MYM vs T1

Game 1
MYM vs. T1
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Bans:
Jax        Katarina
Diana        Nunu
Evelynn        Rengar

Picks:
Twisted Fate              Zyra / Lee Sin
Sona / Vayne        Miss Fortune / Wukong
Olaf / Udyr        Karthus

Game 2
T1 vs. MYM
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Bans:
Katarina        Twisted Fate
Nunu        Lee Sin
Rengar        Wukong

Picks:
Evelynn              Zyra / Maokai
Sona / Diana        Kog'Maw / Orianna
Olaf / Miss Fortune        Irelia

Game 3
MYM vs. T1
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18:30 GMT (+00:00) - Finals
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Fnatic vs T1

Game 1
Fnatic vs. T1
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Bans:
Jax        Katarina
Evelynn        Diana
Rengar        Cho'Gath

Picks:
Lee Sin              Zyra / Olaf
Ezreal / Blitzcrank        Amumu / Miss Fortune
Ahri / Xin Zhao        Ryze

Game 2
T1 vs. Fnatic
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Bans:
Katarina        Jax
Cho'Gath        Evelynn
Rengar        Miss Fortune

Picks:
Diana              Lee Sin / Zyra
Olaf / Sona        Amumu / Caitlyn
Kha'Zix / Kog'Maw        Blitzcrank

Game 3
T1 vs. Fnatic
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Bans:
Katarina        Jax
Rengar        Evelynn
Diana        Miss Fortune

Picks:
Zyra              Lee Sin / Cho'Gath
Amumu / Olaf        Caitlyn / Orianna
Karthus / Kog'Maw        Leona

Results
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Semifinals #1
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Fnatic - CJ
Fnatic - CJ
Fnatic - CJ
Fnatic 2:1 CJ

Semifinals #2
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MYM - T1
MYM - T1
MYM 0:2 T1

Finals
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Fnatic - T1
Fnatic - T1
Fnatic - T1
Fnatic 1:2 T1

ihasaKAROT

Netherlands4730 Posts

December 13 2012 08:19 GMT

edit: skip all that.

The 'standings' and the 'in group' are not the same lists for both groups.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

December 13 2012 08:26 GMT

Group A: ESG, Fnatic
Group B: CLG.eu, CJ

Dan HH

Romania9018 Posts

December 13 2012 08:27 GMT

A: Fnatic, SKT1
B: CLG, MYM

Chexx

Korea (South)11232 Posts

December 13 2012 08:47 GMT

still waiting for a tournament where I can organize a bar event for lol

BlueSpace

Germany2182 Posts

December 13 2012 09:01 GMT

Why is there no M5?

Dan HH

Romania9018 Posts

December 13 2012 09:08 GMT

On December 13 2012 18:01 BlueSpace wrote:
Why is there no M5?

Failed to qualify, they lost to MYM and Eclypsia.

IntelEM

Germany128 Posts

December 13 2012 09:35 GMT

Groups as of now are:

A: Eclypsia/Millenium, SK Telecom T1, Fnatic, mousesports
B: MeetYourMakers, CJ Entus, CLG.EU, Team ALTERNATE

SHr3DD3r

Pakistan2137 Posts

December 13 2012 09:47 GMT

SKT1~!?

Oh my~~

Jamial

Denmark1289 Posts

December 13 2012 09:47 GMT

#10

Can we start linking to Leaguepedia in threads like this, please? I always look for it in OP; and realise it's missing.

Otherwise great post to keep track. <3

ihasaKAROT

Netherlands4730 Posts

December 13 2012 10:33 GMT

#11

On December 13 2012 18:47 Jamial wrote:
Can we start linking to Leaguepedia in threads like this, please? I always look for it in OP; and realise it's missing.

Otherwise great post to keep track. <3

/signed . liquipedia / leguepedia should be standard in every tournamenttopic

IntelEM

Germany128 Posts

December 13 2012 12:08 GMT

#12

One thing to add: Ocelote is no caster at IEM, but Araneae will be.

MonteCristo

United States76 Posts

December 13 2012 12:21 GMT

#13

I'm particularly interested to see how the CJ Entus performs in Cologne. They have been very hot and cold previously and have a dangerous weakness in LongPanda. If Insec gets shut down, CJ almost always loses, so that is another threat.

SKTT1 appeared very strong in the qualifiers, but it's tough to gauge their actual strength when they faced middle-of-the-pack Korean teams. If they can win Cologne, it will be a massive statement for Reapered's abilities as a player and, more importantly, a leader.

justiceknight

Singapore5741 Posts

December 13 2012 12:32 GMT

#14

On December 13 2012 18:35 IntelEM wrote:
Groups as of now are:

A: Eclypsia/Millenium, SK Telecom T1, Fnatic, mousesports
B: MeetYourMakers, CJ Entus, CLG.EU, Team ALTERNATE

ESG = SKT1 or....?

isnt ESG = Reapered's team?

DragoonTT

3398 Posts

December 13 2012 15:18 GMT

#15

On December 13 2012 21:32 justiceknight wrote:

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ESG = SKT1 or....?

isnt ESG = Reapered's team?

Yes and yes.

I'm excited to see how CJ and SKT do against top-tier european teams. SKT has a good shot, simply because it's very hard to prepare for them (little material and tendency to make ridiculously great picks). CJ might have it harder - their weakness is pretty clear now (Longpanda on anything that's not Jax or camped even if Jax, inSec getting shut down) and teams have lots of material from OGN LTC. Both teams will face travel complications (e.g. jetlag) and experience their first trip to europe. I'm not sure about the setting - will there be spectators, booths etc? Lack of booths coupled with spectators present might be another problem.

Well, my predictions:
7-8. Mousesports, Alternate:
- (ex-)Mousesports, once hailed as one of the most promising teams in europe, has been a consistent disappointment on the international level, concluding in now being kicked from the organisation and playing their last tournament under the mouz flag. Don't see them going far.
- Alternate hasn't been doing well lately and, with them being mainly solo queue allstars, will probably be handicapped by having already acclimated to S3. Originally wanted to place them higher, but then remembered how they got manhandled by fnatic (once) and Copenhagen Wolves (thrice) at THOR Open.

5-6. Millenium, MeetYourMakers:
- the new Millenium lineup, while stacked with experienced and skilled players, will probably need some time to get comfortable playing together. Synergies between Support and AD/Jungler and Top have to be built. Players like Tabzz, Creaton and Angush have huge potential, and we might see them score an upset, but I wouldn't count on it.
- MeetYourMakers have recently delivered good results on the European circuit, competing with the big guns for those coveted qualification spots, and winning IEM Singapore (admittedly the weakest LoL LAN event in recent memory). Yet, the level at Cologne should be just a little too high for the polish team. They should be able to defeat recently-slumping aTn and can maybe score an upset against an underprepared favourite, especially CJ, but in most cases, MYM should place third in their group and therefore miss the playoffs.

4. CJ Entus:
A solid mid-tier korean team. Currently 2-3 in OGN TLC, with losses to both NaJin teams and Azubu Blaze. Can sometimes put out good performances against S-tier teams (game 1 against NaJin Sword) or, if their weaknesses are exploited correctly, get absolutely dominated. CJ Entus highly depends on their jungler, inSec, and will fall apart once inSec gets shut down. A potential weak spot is their top lane, where Longpanda looks uncomfortable when a) camped and b) not on Jax. Yet, their mechanical skill and will to take strategical risks (e.g. off-beat picks such as Shaco or Ziggs) should allow them to survive their group. I don't expect them to beat CLG.EU, so their key match will be against MYM. Good research and the effects of traveling on CJ could determine the fate of CJ in the tournament.
Past the group phase, fnatic or SKT T1 will probably be the next opponent, which could well be the end of the road for CJ - they looked lost against SKT T1 (then ESG) during the qualifier finals once ESG had them figured out, and fnatic's aggressive playstyle plus powerful top lane (similar to NaJin Sword, who 2-0'd CJ yesterday) should deal with CJ as well. In a potential third-place match, possible opponents would be again SKT T1, fnatic and CLG.EU, none of which I'd give CJ the upper hand against.

3. fnatic:
fnatic has been on a roll lately, winning Dreamhack against CLG.EU, taking an astounding second place to WE at IPL 5 and then convincingly winning THOR Open without dropping a map. Unless a major upset takes place, fnatic's progession at IEM Cologne will largely hinge on their group-stage Bo1 match against SKT1. Beat the Koreans and their funky style, and the next opponent will probably be CJ Entus - a very winnable matchup. A loss to Reapered and his new team would possibly pit them against their european rivals in CLG.EU, maybe the most anticipated match of the tournament, and one any side could win. Well-rested, well-prepared and our for revenge, I'd give CLG.EU the edge this time around, sending fnatic to the third place match to meet CJ.

2. SKT T1:
Reapered is back in the spotlight, and he's brought a new team with him. Picked up by Korean esports giants SKT T1, they will make their first trip to Europe, and will probably bear the hope for a korean victory. While a new team, they convincingly won the Korean qualifier against Team OP (former Xenics Storm) and CJ Entus fielding exciting strategies. Unpredictable and highly skilled mechanically, they should be able to defeat M and mouz handily if traveling isn't too impactful. The match against fnatic should be close, but due to the Bo1 format and SKT T1 being relatively unknown (in relation to their skill), I'd give them the advantage. Any team but CLG.EU should be a decently easy win during the semis. Should everything go as I expect, SKT T1 will face off against CLG.EU in the finals. This would be another match hard to call, but with CLG.EU largely unimpacted by traveling, accustomed to playing on LAN conditions and probably well-prepared, they should take the series.

1. CLG.EU:
CLG.EU had a fairly disappointing last month, at least from their standards. Losing DH to fnatic (an event they expected to win without a lot of trouble) and only finishing as the #3 EU team at IPL5 (5/6th for CLG.EU, M5 ranked fourth, fnatic second) must have been disappointing. However, I expect them to enter IEM Cologne well-rested (finally back to Europe and at home after a spell at the CLG gaming house in America), well-prepared and with a thirst for vengeance. Even though a Bo1 round robin format is always dangerous, they should make it thorugh the groups with little problems. Their whole tournament hinges on whether they can finally edge out fnatic, and how their style fares against the newly formed SKT team. We might see a lot of strategical variety from CLG.EU (as announced by Krepo (?) at IPL5) to prevent teams from solely setting up to beat CLG.EU lategame. If CLG.EU is on top of their game, they enter IEM Cologne as definite title contenders, and I expect them to win, edging out both fnatic and SKT T1 in close 2-1 matches on their way to the crown.

Sermokala

United States13750 Posts

December 13 2012 15:22 GMT

#16

I was thinking that ESG was going to be announced as a KESPA team sooner then later. Someone had to have been paying for their way to go to europe.

Gona be a hell of an event.

Dan HH

Romania9018 Posts

December 13 2012 16:05 GMT

#17

You guys really think CJ Entus is favorite for 2nd place in Group B? Looking at the results of CJ Entus in OGN, one would be tempted to assume their losses are only due to the quality of the opposition but truth is they played poorly, threw even huge early advantages and made loads of unforced errors. They rely too heavily on 1 player (inSec), and if the other teams do their homework they should be able to take advantage of this. LongPanda is also one of the most limited toplaners in The Champions and a serious chink in their armor. MYM should be having a field day with them.

sylverfyre

United States8298 Posts

December 13 2012 16:19 GMT

#18

Feels a little silly that this is on the s2 patch, but League of Cleavers patch would probably be worse for spectating.

I'm rooting for Fnatic and SKT1 (where's my BW forum team icon :> )

BrownBear

United States6894 Posts

December 13 2012 18:43 GMT

#19

gogo CLG.EU! Break out of that slump