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Uwgnoh
Profile Joined March 2003
China15 Posts
April 23 2003 19:17 GMT
#1
Regarding the recent posting on Greatest BW Players ever, where does Zileas rank? He was an earlier generation, but a champion nonetheless.
Hades
Profile Joined January 2003
Canada927 Posts
April 23 2003 19:20 GMT
#2
I'd put him in top 10 old school, along with Agent911, Kain, etc...

People like Maynard, Grrr..., and Soso were better. Back then air maps were a lot more popular than they are now-a-days which was a big reason for his success.
I just finished eating my vegetables, now where do I throw the wheelchairs?
G-$$$
Profile Joined March 2003
United States186 Posts
April 23 2003 19:25 GMT
#3
zileas was awesome, but you have to remember that reavers owned so bad back then. There was no cooldown on drops, so he just dropped and popped. Pretty unstoppable.
dekaN
Profile Joined February 2003
104 Posts
April 23 2003 19:26 GMT
#4
I think he started the whole reaver-popping thing. I first read about popping in a report in his games.
DCs-PsIOnIC
Profile Joined February 2003
Canada125 Posts
April 23 2003 19:43 GMT
#5
Zileas was god.
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RaGe_banned
Profile Joined March 2003
United States538 Posts
April 23 2003 19:45 GMT
#6
Agent911 DOES NOT diserve to be in that list because Agent got known by abusing imbalnces(Hydra rush ZvP, bunker rush in every matchup, reavers) and countless other imbalances=[
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TheSlowHand
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)177 Posts
April 23 2003 20:01 GMT
#7
Blizzard had to add cool time because of Zileas' "shooting shuttle". I recall he was more of a strategist (like Garimto) than a player.
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SuperCod
Profile Joined March 2003
United States337 Posts
April 23 2003 20:09 GMT
#8
Zileas would sure suck nowadays
I bet a C4 WGTour user could rape him easily

but back then, hey, he got blizzard to patch something for him =]
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Quiksilver
Profile Joined December 2002
United States424 Posts
April 23 2003 20:28 GMT
#9
You can only effectively compare somone in the past to their contemporaries, how much they dominated their competition etc..
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Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
April 23 2003 20:31 GMT
#10
he is generally considered to have been lesser than grrrr..., but at least equal or greater then the other champions of his era (honest, everlast, soso, etc).

he is certainly better then those who never won a major championship (pillars, kain, incinerate, etc.)
JAM THE FUCKER!
ocoini
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
648 Posts
April 23 2003 21:12 GMT
#11
I played a cupple games vs everlast..he was pretty damn good..
(couldent even beat him on Jacobs ladder tvz -__-
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linternet
Profile Joined October 2002
United States112 Posts
April 23 2003 22:03 GMT
#12
You could say he had a very re(a)vered starcraft career.

Worst joke ever!!!
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28874 Posts
April 23 2003 22:30 GMT
#13
^_^

zileas changed broodwar more than anyone else not considerably better than him, imo.

he was also a huge reason why people started making constant peons, and also why people realized killing peons was really effective.
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RaGe_banned
Profile Joined March 2003
United States538 Posts
April 23 2003 22:50 GMT
#14
On April 24 2003 05:31 Casper... wrote:
he is generally considered to have been lesser than grrrr..., but at least equal or greater then the other champions of his era (honest, everlast, soso, etc).

he is certainly better then those who never won a major championship (pillars, kain, incinerate, etc.)


Pillars has won Battletop, WCGC USA, and went to korea for pro gaming for about 3-4 months.
Beyonder = The One Thousand Three Hundred and Thirty Seven King
ilnp
Profile Joined December 2002
Iceland1330 Posts
April 23 2003 22:59 GMT
#15
pillars is a special nigga
8===D~~
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
April 23 2003 23:46 GMT
#16
i do not deny that pillars is a great player.
JAM THE FUCKER!
RaGe_banned
Profile Joined March 2003
United States538 Posts
April 23 2003 23:51 GMT
#17
according to your post you did.
Beyonder = The One Thousand Three Hundred and Thirty Seven King
PheaRSome
Profile Joined December 2002
United States584 Posts
April 24 2003 00:30 GMT
#18
omg you got him! he's just trying to fool us in to thinking he believes pillars was a great player!
Napoleic
Profile Joined February 2003
Canada356 Posts
April 24 2003 01:39 GMT
#19
Hard to say with Zileas because he only won the beta championship, and I don't think there were really any other good players in that tourney. I don't recall seeing Grrr, or everlast, or Soso in that competition. Larry The Weird was I think, who was a korean pro, but that was really before the game took off in Korea. Remember that Zileas faced Agent911 in the finals, and what has Agent911 ever done beside that?
Whenever you think you know something, remember this: No one even really knows if the sun will rise tomorrow. Knowledge is just a degree of belief.
After)Eight(
Profile Joined March 2003
Germany502 Posts
April 24 2003 02:20 GMT
#20
where can one get zelias replays? any possibilities?

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