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[GSL] Code S RO16 Quick Preview

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[GSL] Code S RO16 Quick Preview

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February 7th, 2012 21:37 GMT
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Code S RO16, Group C Preview


By: Waxangel

Brave New TvP World



Perhaps it's too early to declare a massive meta-game shift, or say that the match-up will never be the same again. Even so, super-greedy TvP double expand builds have been proliferating in GSL season one, causing new build order losses that seem absurd even for a match-up that was already being decried as a coin-flip. We've even seen players lose after going triple nexus with late robo against a cloak 1/1/1 (ForGG vs Core), and somehow it fell within the boundaries of being an acceptable risk. So at this point in TvP time, every possibility seems to be in play. It certainly makes previewing this group a bit trickier.

It's a particular rough environment for one (P)SK.MC, for whom consistency has been the biggest recent concern. The ideal scenario for MC to repair his reputation would be to play macro PvT games against his opponents, and show the dominant side that took out Mvp 2 – 1 in a duel of pure strength at MLG (and not the side that went 0 – 3 to him a few hours later). To that end, however, MC's recent PvTs are not encouraging. The RO32 was fraught with some silly build order losses. ForGG roughed him up with an unscouted triple orbital build, then MC paid back the favor with a three-gate void ray all in. Against Supernova, MC's ability to correctly read which all-in Supernova was doing ended up being the primary determinant of the outcome (he was right once, wrong twice).

He should expect more of the same if he happens to face (T)NSH_Jjakji, whose Code S November run showed that he was a player – who despite his ability to play a strong macro game – saw no reason to play normal when a well worked out strategy might net an easier win (a quality shared by the other successful Terran of recent times, SlayerS_MMA). Jjakji might be the best player in this group in that regard, as he has quite recently shown that he knows the right ratio of trickery and standard play to make a winning formula.

Though Jjakji will probably do well against the Protoss players of his group, (T)SlayerS_GanZi presents a potential road block. Ganzi is simply a better TvT player, who was only really outclassed by an in-his-prime Mvp at that matchup. Ganzi proved as much in their RO32 meeting, where he trounced Jjakji 2 – 0 in straight up games. Jjakji will need to prepare the right strategies (cheesy, or not... probably cheesy) to have a shot.

While Ganzi will be more than happy to face Jjakji, his situation against the Protoss players looks rough. It's not that he's bad against Protoss, it's just that he's very middle of the road. Decent all-ins, decent macro-game – not something he wants to bet his tournament life on.

Due to the proclivity of TerranSlayerS players to use each others' strats, we had a glimpse of what kind of SlayerS tactics Ganzi might use to attempt to overcome his disadvantage. Last week, SlayerS_MMA, another good-but-not-great TvPer used some interesting strategies that cut corners in order to try and secure a long-term lead – such as a quick double engineering bay build and fake 1/1/1 into triple orbitals (yeah, that didn't work). MMA was on the verge of getting eliminated, but managed squeeze through in the final match of the night. If Ganzi makes it through against his Protoss foes, it will probably be by a similarly narrow margin.

And finally, there's (P)ST_Parting, a player who could be everything or nothing. Having watched OnGameNet (the greatest promoter in all of esports history. Think of some juggernaut combination of Don King, Vince McMachon, and Dana White without all of the evil), do their jig for over a decade, I know what the play is here. Hype the crap out of Parting as the next Protoss savior. Present him as an "intelligent" player – he had some strategies that worked in the previous round due to a combination of skill and luck, so make everyone forget the luck part of it. Sell his 4-kill against ZeNEX in IPL Team Arena like it meant the world, as if ZeNEX wasn't a team that was already half dead. Dig up enough nostalgia from the times when Squirtle was a top player to pass on the StarTale Protoss ace mantle to Parting, without contaminating it with any of present day Squirtle's troubles.

Ah well, that's not our job. The truth is, we've seen so much of these other three, and so very little of parting – especially at the Code S level. For this guy, all I can say is wait and see.

Today's predictions are sponsored by: very little confidence, and a grain of salt.


Predictions:
MC > Ganzi
Jjakji > Parting
Jjakji > MC
Parting > Ganzi
MC > Parting

MC and Jjakji advance














Art by Fishuu

Following Losira-Cat's elimination from Code A, we are looking for a suitable replacement.




Writer: Waxangel.
Graphics and Art: Meko and Pony Tales (disciple and Lip the Pencilboy).
Editor: WaxAngel
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
February 07 2012 21:40 GMT
#2
Nah, Parting's got this.

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Son of Gnome
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States777 Posts
February 07 2012 21:40 GMT
#3
Good write up as always :D
Whatever happens, happens
TolEranceNA
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada434 Posts
February 07 2012 21:40 GMT
#4
I personally much agree with Jjakji advancing, but i think Parting is vastly underrated, and personally, I am sure Ganzi will give MC a lot of trouble. But very nice article.
Arotsis:"Nestea, what do you think about Zerg?" Nestea:"...Sad."
Xivsa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
February 07 2012 21:41 GMT
#5
Short preview, I guess the review of the whole round will happen later. Good predictions nonetheless; they should be good matches.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. - Bilbo
silyaznfoo
Profile Joined December 2011
45 Posts
February 07 2012 21:41 GMT
#6
sad zealot qq
RoninShogun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States315 Posts
February 07 2012 21:44 GMT
#7
Man I hope Ganzi finally pulls through for me here. Not a big Jjakji or MC fan
Artosis: Yeah I was gonna probe rush but someone did that yesterday
yum
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10 Posts
February 07 2012 21:46 GMT
#8
I really hope MC can start another great GSL run! His macro game just needs to get amp'd up a bit. GOGOGOG MC and Parting!
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
February 07 2012 21:47 GMT
#9
Gogo MC!!!
Liveon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Netherlands1083 Posts
February 07 2012 21:47 GMT
#10
Thinking MC and Ganzi will advance But my liquibet is pretty bad
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Leargle
Profile Joined October 2010
United States173 Posts
February 07 2012 21:48 GMT
#11
I have MC and jjakji advancing as well ^^
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Trolle
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Sweden227 Posts
February 07 2012 21:49 GMT
#12
GanZi and Jjakji is the safer cards, MC is too unreliable imho. And as stated, PArting we haven' seen much off on Code S level
meep meep
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
February 07 2012 21:53 GMT
#13
gogo parting!
I have parting going the distance :D
My religion is Starcraft
blacklist_member
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia318 Posts
February 07 2012 21:53 GMT
#14
MC > Ganzi
Jjakji > Parting
Jjakji > MC
Parting > Ganzi

I agree with these, last match being a PvP, it could go either way.
MC and MKP fighting ^^
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
February 07 2012 21:54 GMT
#15
Nice read! Looking forward to how many predictions you got right
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
February 07 2012 21:57 GMT
#16
If I had any money it would be on Parting. Only Startale player left in Code S right now!
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
SodaGremlin
Profile Joined October 2011
United States4 Posts
February 07 2012 22:03 GMT
#17
I think the predictions are good, should be a nice match up tonight!
H4rlequin
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand16 Posts
February 07 2012 22:04 GMT
#18
On February 08 2012 06:40 Fionn wrote:
Nah, Parting's got this.

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Excellent summary, though if this is anything to go by, 2nd place finish followed by an immediate drop to code B like TOP.
Random ftw, Protoss so OP
DestinedOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada84 Posts
February 07 2012 22:04 GMT
#19
GO MC! <3, great write-up.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
February 07 2012 22:10 GMT
#20
Predicted the same thing. Hopefully we'll get to see some more crazy Jjakji builds!
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